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4/10/2010 1:08:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
What is your stand on Bi-sexual people ?
I have nothing against them.
Just a Survey.

Btw- I am Straight.
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4/10/2010 1:16:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I don't stand on them. If they are female I might lie on them.
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4/10/2010 1:52:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 1:25:34 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
They suffer from a mental perversion caused by an fault in sexual socialization.

?

Wut.
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4/10/2010 2:07:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 1:25:34 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
They suffer from a mental perversion caused by an fault in sexual socialization.

Do you think all of them are plain cases of bad socialization?

Or do you admit that some might be gay naturally? OR is it just BI-sexuals who you're claiming are suffering from social deprivation... and that straight up Gays, might be naturally gay.

(though I realize that you prolly think of being naturally gay as a physical disorder then...[which I would argue against])
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4/10/2010 2:12:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I think homosexuality is normal and I'm chill with it.

Bisexuality is a different story and IMO is just the natural result of being overly sexually promiscuous.
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4/10/2010 2:29:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 1:25:34 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
They suffer from a mental perversion caused by an fault in sexual socialization.
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4/10/2010 2:37:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 2:12:08 PM, shaniqualawyers013 wrote:
I think homosexuality is normal and I'm chill with it.

Bisexuality is a different story and IMO is just the natural result of being overly sexually promiscuous.

That's a curious position to be in. For someone who accepts homosexuality, I would have thought you'd accept the concept of the sexual spectrum, of which bisexuality is a part of.
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4/10/2010 3:28:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 2:07:39 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:

Do you think all of them are plain cases of bad socialization?

Or do you admit that some might be gay naturally? OR is it just BI-sexuals who you're claiming are suffering from social deprivation... and that straight up Gays, might be naturally gay.
Interview No it's not Natural, in Sociology/Psychology there is a time when a child matures mentally or adapts to one self. Sexual Socialization ours in a part called secondary socialization.

(though I realize that you prolly think of being naturally gay as a physical disorder then...[which I would argue against])
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4/10/2010 3:31:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 2:29:32 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 4/10/2010 1:25:34 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
They suffer from a mental perversion caused by an fault in sexual socialization.



I'm working on our debate still. The arguments on that video are very simplistic.

In our debate I'll talk about on what grounds homosexuality was removed from the medical archive, it's political.

Look it up on wikipedia.
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4/10/2010 3:48:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 3:28:35 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 4/10/2010 2:07:39 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:

Do you think all of them are plain cases of bad socialization?

Or do you admit that some might be gay naturally? OR is it just BI-sexuals who you're claiming are suffering from social deprivation... and that straight up Gays, might be naturally gay.
Interview No it's not Natural, in Sociology/Psychology there is a time when a child matures mentally or adapts to one self. Sexual Socialization ours in a part called secondary socialization.

(though I realize that you prolly think of being naturally gay as a physical disorder then...[which I would argue against])
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Also in sociology/psychology your claims are bull. The APA removed homosexuality from the DSM because there is no pathology, and no discernible line of logic would lead one to the social conclusions that you and other like you have reached. In addition to this I'm assuming you are referencing the old school developmental psycho-sexual freudian theory. A theory that the psychological community has ostracized for years because of its absurdity.

(BTW my references for this would be the DSM IV, McGraw-Hill AP Psychology instructors guide, and the mayo clinic psychology and sociology department.
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4/10/2010 3:56:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 3:31:02 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Look it up on wikipedia.

Thanks for the new sig
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4/10/2010 3:58:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 3:48:58 PM, ds3020 wrote:
Also in sociology/psychology your claims are bull. The APA removed homosexuality from the DSM because there is no pathology,
See my other message to user I am panda.

and no discernible line of logic would lead one to the social conclusions that you and other like you have reached. In addition to this I'm assuming you are referencing the old school developmental psycho-sexual freudian theory. A theory that the psychological community has ostracized for years because of its absurdity.

Will you sir, give me a answer to disprove the Freudian theory, the acts of a psychological society does not mean truth, one must understand the case and circumstance in which Homosexuality was removed from the list of mental disorders. If you do not know that much, this is waste of my time.


(BTW my references for this would be the DSM IV, McGraw-Hill AP Psychology instructors guide, and the mayo clinic psychology and sociology department.
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4/10/2010 4:01:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 3:56:59 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 4/10/2010 3:31:02 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Look it up on wikipedia.

Thanks for the new sig

Fool, http://en.wikipedia.org...

It agree's with the liberal theory but it give's infomation on the case of homosexuality.
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4/10/2010 4:04:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
homo- and hetero- sexuality is caused by an emotional attraction that links with physical (for what is visually appealing). Bi-sexuality is often not.

A guy can stick his penis through a hole in the wall and someone on the other end could rub it and do whatever with it, and the penis would get erect (ecluding ED issues), regardless to if that person on the other side of the wall was male or female. The physical aspect of sexuality is 100% neutral for everyone, because it is not possible to tell. But once they know (the brain knows, cause the body doesn't care) it no longer works, that's how sexuality is in the brain as hormones and chemicals and that is how the emotional and mental connection applies to sexuality.

Bi-sexuals (from my experences) are either 1) repressing the mental and emotional sexuality enough and just letting the body do whatever feels good (and so they don't care if they're doing a man or a woman), or, (this is more common amoung bi-sexual women) they are overly desperate to get a man, and so add the "bi-sexual" to their resume. You see how much bi-sexuals and lesbians thrive in the porn world? because men want them, and many women want to be wanted by men, so they go extreme to get it.

but that is just my opinion.
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4/10/2010 4:05:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
"Psychology was one of the first disciplines to study homosexuality as a discrete phenomenon. In the late 19th century, and throughout most of the 20th century, it was standard for psychology to view homosexuality in terms of pathological models as a mental illness. That classification began to be subjected to critical scrutiny in research which consistently failed to produce any empirical or scientific basis for regarding homosexuality as a disorder or abnormality. As results from such research accumulated, professionals in medicine, mental health, and the behavioral and social sciences reached the conclusion that it was inaccurate to classify homosexuality as a mental disorder and that the DSM classification reflected untested assumptions based on once-prevalent social norms and clinical impressions from unrepresentative samples comprising patients seeking therapy and individuals whose conduct brought them into the criminal justice system.[1] The research and clinical literature demonstrate that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality. The longstanding consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions is that homosexuality per se is a normal variation of human sexual orientation.[2] In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. The American Psychological Association Council of Representatives followed in 1975.[3]"

That's just the basics.
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4/10/2010 4:05:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 4:01:30 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 4/10/2010 3:56:59 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 4/10/2010 3:31:02 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Look it up on wikipedia.

Thanks for the new sig

Fool, http://en.wikipedia.org...

It agree's with the liberal theory but it give's infomation on the case of homosexuality.

"This article or section is in need of attention from an expert on the subject."

sounds like it is lacking expertise.
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4/10/2010 4:06:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 2:37:19 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 4/10/2010 2:12:08 PM, shaniqualawyers013 wrote:
I think homosexuality is normal and I'm chill with it.

Bisexuality is a different story and IMO is just the natural result of being overly sexually promiscuous.

That's a curious position to be in. For someone who accepts homosexuality, I would have thought you'd accept the concept of the sexual spectrum, of which bisexuality is a part of.

Some people don't accept pedos, but accept homos.
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4/10/2010 4:08:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 3:48:58 PM, ds3020 wrote:
At 4/10/2010 3:28:35 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 4/10/2010 2:07:39 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:

Do you think all of them are plain cases of bad socialization?

Or do you admit that some might be gay naturally? OR is it just BI-sexuals who you're claiming are suffering from social deprivation... and that straight up Gays, might be naturally gay.
Interview No it's not Natural, in Sociology/Psychology there is a time when a child matures mentally or adapts to one self. Sexual Socialization ours in a part called secondary socialization.

(though I realize that you prolly think of being naturally gay as a physical disorder then...[which I would argue against])
Mental 100%

Also in sociology/psychology your claims are bull. The APA removed homosexuality from the DSM because there is no pathology, and no discernible line of logic would lead one to the social conclusions that you and other like you have reached. In addition to this I'm assuming you are referencing the old school developmental psycho-sexual freudian theory. A theory that the psychological community has ostracized for years because of its absurdity.

(BTW my references for this would be the DSM IV, McGraw-Hill AP Psychology instructors guide, and the mayo clinic psychology and sociology department.

Haha, you posted the exact same thing I was going to post. We just went over this in class a few days ago, talking about diagnostics of neurological disorders.
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It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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4/10/2010 4:09:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 4:06:29 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Some people don't accept pedos, but accept homos.

Pedophilia is an issue of consent, totally different morality issue.

For two willing adults though, is there really a difference?
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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4/10/2010 4:14:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 4:05:55 PM, OreEle wrote:

"This article or section is in need of attention from an expert on the subject."

sounds like it is lacking expertise.

Google it, the removal was unjustifyed. This isn't a fact but I take it as a political action.

My full case will be in a Debate with IAmAPanda soon, I'll add you to my notification list.
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4/10/2010 4:17:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 4:09:13 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 4/10/2010 4:06:29 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Some people don't accept pedos, but accept homos.

Pedophilia is an issue of consent, totally different morality issue.

What of Gerontophilia, then?

For two willing adults though, is there really a difference?

I don't think so.
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4/10/2010 4:19:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 4:09:13 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 4/10/2010 4:06:29 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Some people don't accept pedos, but accept homos.

Pedophilia is an issue of consent, totally different morality issue.

Not all the time. Why can't a 30 year old man have sex with a consenting 13 year old girl? Or even younger?
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4/10/2010 4:20:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 4:19:30 PM, Nags wrote:
At 4/10/2010 4:09:13 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 4/10/2010 4:06:29 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Some people don't accept pedos, but accept homos.

Pedophilia is an issue of consent, totally different morality issue.

Not all the time. Why can't a 30 year old man have sex with a consenting 13 year old girl? Or even younger?

The issue is whether or not they can give consent in the first place.
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4/10/2010 4:22:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 4:09:13 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 4/10/2010 4:06:29 PM, wjmelements wrote:
Some people don't accept pedos, but accept homos.

Pedophilia is an issue of consent, totally different morality issue.

The sexual urge that leads to pedophilia and homophilia not the action of sex or relationship. What makes a man attracted to a penis or a man attracted to premature breasts or penises? Both are irregularities in conventional sexual activities, why should that urge exist. In Nature(Genetics), if youre not with us your against us. Unnecessary actions or natures are removed as Darwinism dictates. If a sexual attraction exists for no benefit, it must be removed as a pathogen.
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4/10/2010 4:46:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 4:22:55 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
The sexual urge that leads to pedophilia and homophilia not the action of sex or relationship. What makes a man attracted to a penis or a man attracted to premature breasts or penises? Both are irregularities in conventional sexual activities, why should that urge exist. In Nature(Genetics), if youre not with us your against us. Unnecessary actions or natures are removed as Darwinism dictates. If a sexual attraction exists for no benefit, it must be removed as a pathogen.

Unproductive sexual deviance has various evolutionary purposes. Population control is one. There are also hypotheses that bisexuality and lesbianism in female animals is a trait that leads to greater likelihood of mating. It has to do with virginity. Fertilization for a specific male is more likely if the female exhibits preference for other females instead of other males. It raises the likelihood that they aren't copulating with a female that has already been fertilized. I'll try to dig up the article because I know it sounds absurd XD
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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4/10/2010 4:52:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 4:46:34 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 4/10/2010 4:22:55 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
The sexual urge that leads to pedophilia and homophilia not the action of sex or relationship. What makes a man attracted to a penis or a man attracted to premature breasts or penises? Both are irregularities in conventional sexual activities, why should that urge exist. In Nature(Genetics), if youre not with us your against us. Unnecessary actions or natures are removed as Darwinism dictates. If a sexual attraction exists for no benefit, it must be removed as a pathogen.

Unproductive sexual deviance has various evolutionary purposes. Population control is one. There are also hypotheses that bisexuality and lesbianism in female animals is a trait that leads to greater likelihood of mating. It has to do with virginity. Fertilization for a specific male is more likely if the female exhibits preference for other females instead of other males. It raises the likelihood that they aren't copulating with a female that has already been fertilized. I'll try to dig up the article because I know it sounds absurd XD

What the hell have you been reading boy?

Animals have no need for Population control(kin selection).
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4/10/2010 5:38:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 4:52:28 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 4/10/2010 4:46:34 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 4/10/2010 4:22:55 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
The sexual urge that leads to pedophilia and homophilia not the action of sex or relationship. What makes a man attracted to a penis or a man attracted to premature breasts or penises? Both are irregularities in conventional sexual activities, why should that urge exist. In Nature(Genetics), if youre not with us your against us. Unnecessary actions or natures are removed as Darwinism dictates. If a sexual attraction exists for no benefit, it must be removed as a pathogen.

Unproductive sexual deviance has various evolutionary purposes. Population control is one. There are also hypotheses that bisexuality and lesbianism in female animals is a trait that leads to greater likelihood of mating. It has to do with virginity. Fertilization for a specific male is more likely if the female exhibits preference for other females instead of other males. It raises the likelihood that they aren't copulating with a female that has already been fertilized. I'll try to dig up the article because I know it sounds absurd XD

What the hell have you been reading boy?

Animals have no need for Population control(kin selection).

Sure they do. Resource management. For example, some varieties of wolf spiders, the mother will eat the young where resources are low, when plentiful they offspring are allowed to survive.
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4/10/2010 6:16:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Really? You contend that the removal of an issue with no pathology from a list of illnesses was purely political?
Provide me a shred of evidence that there is a defined pathological causation.
Your knowledge of psychology is clouded by your personal, subjective beliefs.
The Freudian theory of sexual development was disregarded due to the lack of any supporting evidence. There is no statistical proof for the oedipal crises, or the claim of a penile envy stage in girls.
The entirety of your claims are based upon unsound science.
(If there was more that I should answer I'll get to it in a while.)
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4/10/2010 6:19:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 4/10/2010 2:12:08 PM, shaniqualawyers013 wrote:
I think homosexuality is normal and I'm chill with it.

Bisexuality is a different story and IMO is just the natural result of being overly sexually promiscuous.

Just to clarify, homosexuality is fine. The issue of attraction (in their case) is ok. but being bi means you're just a sex addict?
sorry for the attitude but i find that a lil selective.