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jimtimmy4
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11/5/2014 12:36:40 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I've been reading up on feminism and, wow. I mean, I always knew it was stupid. But, it's beyond stupid. Here's some examples of stupid feminist beliefs:

1.) Rape has nothing to do with sex because that's victim blaming or something

2.) Men are systematically privileged

3.) The Gender pay gap is because of mean white men who don't pay women enough

4.) Street "harassment" (saying hi to a woman) is somehow proof of male's having all kinds of power

5.) If anyone doesn't unconditionally approve of a woman being slutty or fat or anything, that means they are "shaming" that woman and are thus oppressing somehow

Seriously. I apologize to socialists and egalitarians and others I've accused of being stupid. You guys really aren't the stupidest people out there. Feminists are. Gratz.
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11/5/2014 1:39:51 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/5/2014 12:36:40 AM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
I've been reading up on feminism and, wow. I mean, I always knew it was stupid. But, it's beyond stupid.

Hmm, perhaps your interpretation of feminism as stupid has rather little to do with the intellectual positions of feminism and a good bit to do with the stupid thought processes and cognitive orientation by which you're interpreting it. That is, perhaps the stupidity lies with the interpreter and not with what he's interpreting? But then I don't suppose that you've ever self-critically considered that possibility, have you dear fellow?
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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11/5/2014 1:42:30 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/5/2014 1:39:51 AM, charleslb wrote:
At 11/5/2014 12:36:40 AM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
I've been reading up on feminism and, wow. I mean, I always knew it was stupid. But, it's beyond stupid.

Hmm, perhaps your interpretation of feminism as stupid has rather little to do with the intellectual positions of feminism and a good bit to do with the stupid thought processes and cognitive orientation by which you're interpreting it. That is, perhaps the stupidity lies with the interpreter and not with what he's interpreting? But then I don't suppose that you've ever self-critically considered that possibility, have you dear fellow?

Oh I've considered it. Quite a bit. I considered the possibility that the stupidity lied with me rather than feminism.

After consideration, it turned out that it was feminism after all. My thought process and cognitive orientation is just fine. Feminism, on the other hand, really is stupid.
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11/5/2014 4:08:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/5/2014 2:03:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
The belief that men and women ought to be treated equally is stupid.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

What's stupid is the belief that men and women are social constructs. What's stupid is the belief that men are privileged.
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11/5/2014 5:02:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/5/2014 4:08:07 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 11/5/2014 2:03:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
The belief that men and women ought to be treated equally is stupid.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

What's stupid is the belief that men and women are social constructs. What's stupid is the belief that men are privileged.

Gender IS largely a social construct. There are biological differences between men and women, but none significant enough to merit unequal treatment.
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11/5/2014 6:23:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/5/2014 1:42:30 AM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 11/5/2014 1:39:51 AM, charleslb wrote:
At 11/5/2014 12:36:40 AM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
I've been reading up on feminism and, wow. I mean, I always knew it was stupid. But, it's beyond stupid.

Hmm, perhaps your interpretation of feminism as stupid has rather little to do with the intellectual positions of feminism and a good bit to do with the stupid thought processes and cognitive orientation by which you're interpreting it. That is, perhaps the stupidity lies with the interpreter and not with what he's interpreting? But then I don't suppose that you've ever self-critically considered that possibility, have you dear fellow?

Oh I've considered it. Quite a bit. I considered the possibility that the stupidity lied with me rather than feminism.

After consideration, it turned out that it was feminism after all. My thought process and cognitive orientation is just fine. Feminism, on the other hand, really is stupid.

Sorry, but I still think that you're rather obviously guilty of projection, i.e. projecting your own lame thought processes and interpretations of feminist positions on the women's movement. Well, that's my impression, for what it's worth.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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11/5/2014 6:56:11 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/5/2014 5:02:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 11/5/2014 4:08:07 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 11/5/2014 2:03:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
The belief that men and women ought to be treated equally is stupid.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

What's stupid is the belief that men and women are social constructs. What's stupid is the belief that men are privileged.

Gender IS largely a social construct. There are biological differences between men and women, but none significant enough to merit unequal treatment.

First off, gender is NOT largely a social construct. There are pretty significant biological differences.

And, if there is unequal treatment, neither sex is uniformly privileged. Feminists, despite all the evidence, believe men are privileged.
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11/5/2014 6:58:37 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/5/2014 6:23:28 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 11/5/2014 1:42:30 AM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 11/5/2014 1:39:51 AM, charleslb wrote:
At 11/5/2014 12:36:40 AM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
I've been reading up on feminism and, wow. I mean, I always knew it was stupid. But, it's beyond stupid.

Hmm, perhaps your interpretation of feminism as stupid has rather little to do with the intellectual positions of feminism and a good bit to do with the stupid thought processes and cognitive orientation by which you're interpreting it. That is, perhaps the stupidity lies with the interpreter and not with what he's interpreting? But then I don't suppose that you've ever self-critically considered that possibility, have you dear fellow?

Oh I've considered it. Quite a bit. I considered the possibility that the stupidity lied with me rather than feminism.

After consideration, it turned out that it was feminism after all. My thought process and cognitive orientation is just fine. Feminism, on the other hand, really is stupid.

Sorry, but I still think that you're rather obviously guilty of projection, i.e. projecting your own lame thought processes and interpretations of feminist positions on the women's movement. Well, that's my impression, for what it's worth.

I really wish you were right. I wish feminists didn't believe the stupid things they believe. I wish I was attacking straw men.

Unfortunately, feminists really do believe stupid things. It's not a strawman to say that most feminists believe gender is a social construct or that men are privileged. Both these beliefs are utterly retarded, yet feminists actually believe these things.

I understand that you don't want to believe feminists really believe things that stupid, but it is YOU projecting your own denial of feminism's stupidity onto me

Charles, open those eyes. Feminism really is THAT stupid.
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11/6/2014 5:06:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Would I torture my daughters rapist.

After I had ascertained that it was cold blooded rape, and not a bit of foreplay that had gone to far, then yes I would.

The trouble with rape is that people tend to see it as black and white. That is to say a man jumping out of the bushes and having his wicked way with a stranger. That is a very small % of cases. The majority of cases are carried out by someone the woman knows, and many of those are instances of woman changing their mind before the final act.

Many many years ago I was with a girl, and we were both naked and getting down to things good and proper. Just before I put it in (so to speak) she changed her mind. I had the willpower to accept her decision, but who could have blamed me if I had become a little forceful ?
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11/6/2014 6:40:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/5/2014 6:58:37 PM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 11/5/2014 6:23:28 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 11/5/2014 1:42:30 AM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
At 11/5/2014 1:39:51 AM, charleslb wrote:
At 11/5/2014 12:36:40 AM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
I've been reading up on feminism and, wow. I mean, I always knew it was stupid. But, it's beyond stupid.

Hmm, perhaps your interpretation of feminism as stupid has rather little to do with the intellectual positions of feminism and a good bit to do with the stupid thought processes and cognitive orientation by which you're interpreting it. That is, perhaps the stupidity lies with the interpreter and not with what he's interpreting? But then I don't suppose that you've ever self-critically considered that possibility, have you dear fellow?

Oh I've considered it. Quite a bit. I considered the possibility that the stupidity lied with me rather than feminism.

After consideration, it turned out that it was feminism after all. My thought process and cognitive orientation is just fine. Feminism, on the other hand, really is stupid.

Sorry, but I still think that you're rather obviously guilty of projection, i.e. projecting your own lame thought processes and interpretations of feminist positions on the women's movement. Well, that's my impression, for what it's worth.

I really wish you were right. I wish feminists didn't believe the stupid things they believe. I wish I was attacking straw men.

Unfortunately, feminists really do believe stupid things. It's not a strawman to say that most feminists believe gender is a social construct or that men are privileged. Both these beliefs are utterly retarded, yet feminists actually believe these things.

I understand that you don't want to believe feminists really believe things that stupid, but it is YOU projecting your own denial of feminism's stupidity onto me

Charles, open those eyes. Feminism really is THAT stupid.

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Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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11/7/2014 5:38:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
What your reading- those are the views of the feminists that are blown up by the media. Those are the feminist no one in their right mind agrees with. Now imagine a feminist site where all the women there want is gender equality and they talk about issues regarding feminism and other things. Good.

Believe it or not this is a real place.

The majority of feminists are just women who want to be equal. Because that's what a feminist is. A woman (Maybe even a man depending on you point of view) who wants gender equality.
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12/18/2014 2:21:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/5/2014 2:03:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
The belief that men and women ought to be treated equally is stupid.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Enough said right there.
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12/18/2014 4:40:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/5/2014 1:39:51 AM, charleslb wrote:
At 11/5/2014 12:36:40 AM, jimtimmy4 wrote:
I've been reading up on feminism and, wow. I mean, I always knew it was stupid. But, it's beyond stupid.

Hmm, perhaps your interpretation of feminism as stupid has rather little to do with the intellectual positions of feminism and a good bit to do with the stupid thought processes and cognitive orientation by which you're interpreting it. That is, perhaps the stupidity lies with the interpreter and not with what he's interpreting? But then I don't suppose that you've ever self-critically considered that possibility, have you dear fellow?

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12/18/2014 7:42:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/5/2014 2:03:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
The belief that men and women ought to be treated equally is stupid.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's not what feminism is. To use that definition of feminism is to make the word obsolete since everyone agrees women should be equal.

Feminism is what the most loud, public and respected voices in feminism are and those are the same people who assert that every time a guy has sex with a woman it is rape and other such stupid statements.

When people speak against feminism it isn't your definition they are using (the one that makes the word obsolete), they're referring to feminism as an ideology supported by it's loudest and most attention getting proponents.
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12/18/2014 7:56:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2014 7:42:11 AM, Wylted wrote:
Feminism is what the most loud, public and respected voices in feminism are and those are the same people who assert that every time a guy has sex with a woman it is rape and other such stupid statements.

That is exactly of who I think of. The fanatics that went after KSI for alleged sexual assault at Eurogamer. The same crowd that made Matt Taylor cry.
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12/18/2014 10:20:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2014 7:42:11 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/5/2014 2:03:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
The belief that men and women ought to be treated equally is stupid.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's not what feminism is. To use that definition of feminism is to make the word obsolete since everyone agrees women should be equal.

Feminism is what the most loud, public and respected voices in feminism are and those are the same people who assert that every time a guy has sex with a woman it is rape and other such stupid statements.

When people speak against feminism it isn't your definition they are using (the one that makes the word obsolete), they're referring to feminism as an ideology supported by it's loudest and most attention getting proponents.

Feminism is not what the radical minority defends it as. The social attitudes in the US and many other countries makes my definition - the definition - very, very necessary.
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12/18/2014 10:29:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2014 10:20:18 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/18/2014 7:42:11 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/5/2014 2:03:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
The belief that men and women ought to be treated equally is stupid.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's not what feminism is. To use that definition of feminism is to make the word obsolete since everyone agrees women should be equal.

Feminism is what the most loud, public and respected voices in feminism are and those are the same people who assert that every time a guy has sex with a woman it is rape and other such stupid statements.

When people speak against feminism it isn't your definition they are using (the one that makes the word obsolete), they're referring to feminism as an ideology supported by it's loudest and most attention getting proponents.

Feminism is not what the radical minority defends it as. The social attitudes in the US and many other countries makes my definition - the definition - very, very necessary.

That radical minority is very vocal and has all the media attention and not to mention virtually everybody thinks women should be equal making the definition pointless.

Sorry but the radical minority controls the feminism movement.

If you define feminism as - women should be equal, than 99.99% of the world can consider themselves feminist.

The problem with definitions is when the become so general they mean absolutely nothing like how you're using it and when the become so strict that virtually nobody falls under the definition.

The too strict part isn't the problem with how people are using the word now.

Now people are using it to mean- equality. I think the reason for people using the word equality as a synonym for feminism is that using it in that way gives them a good feeling about being a part of a social movement that in all actuality they aren't a part of.

Modern feminism as a philosophy isn't as simple as you're making it out to be and you're actually hurting the feminism movement by making the definition overly inclusive.
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12/18/2014 10:32:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2014 10:29:02 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:20:18 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/18/2014 7:42:11 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/5/2014 2:03:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
The belief that men and women ought to be treated equally is stupid.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's not what feminism is. To use that definition of feminism is to make the word obsolete since everyone agrees women should be equal.

Feminism is what the most loud, public and respected voices in feminism are and those are the same people who assert that every time a guy has sex with a woman it is rape and other such stupid statements.

When people speak against feminism it isn't your definition they are using (the one that makes the word obsolete), they're referring to feminism as an ideology supported by it's loudest and most attention getting proponents.

Feminism is not what the radical minority defends it as. The social attitudes in the US and many other countries makes my definition - the definition - very, very necessary.

That radical minority is very vocal and has all the media attention and not to mention virtually everybody thinks women should be equal making the definition pointless.

Sorry but the radical minority controls the feminism movement.


If you define feminism as - women should be equal, than 99.99% of the world can consider themselves feminist.

The problem with definitions is when the become so general they mean absolutely nothing like how you're using it and when the become so strict that virtually nobody falls under the definition.

The too strict part isn't the problem with how people are using the word now.

Now people are using it to mean- equality. I think the reason for people using the word equality as a synonym for feminism is that using it in that way gives them a good feeling about being a part of a social movement that in all actuality they aren't a part of.

Modern feminism as a philosophy isn't as simple as you're making it out to be and you're actually hurting the feminism movement by making the definition overly inclusive.

I would disagree. I'm aware of the complexities and nuances of feminism. And aware of it's many problems - such as the radical element that hurts the movement beyond anything else and the failure of general feminism to address the men's half.
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12/18/2014 10:39:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2014 10:20:18 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/18/2014 7:42:11 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/5/2014 2:03:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
The belief that men and women ought to be treated equally is stupid.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's not what feminism is. To use that definition of feminism is to make the word obsolete since everyone agrees women should be equal.

Feminism is what the most loud, public and respected voices in feminism are and those are the same people who assert that every time a guy has sex with a woman it is rape and other such stupid statements.

When people speak against feminism it isn't your definition they are using (the one that makes the word obsolete), they're referring to feminism as an ideology supported by it's loudest and most attention getting proponents.

Feminism is not what the radical minority defends it as. The social attitudes in the US and many other countries makes my definition - the definition - very, very necessary.

The only feminists you hear about today are radfems - that is, under the definition of 'radical feminism', a "philosophy emphasizing the patriarchal roots of inequality between men and women, or, more specifically, social dominance of women by men. Radical feminism views patriarchy as dividing rights, privileges and power primarily by gender, and as a result oppressing women and privileging men" (http://womenshistory.about.com...). Feminists that eschew this narrative (like Christina Hoff Summers) are ridiculed, ostracized, and labeled as not being real feministic.

Simply put - the radfems are the majority. They aren't a small minority.
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12/18/2014 10:52:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2014 10:32:39 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:29:02 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:20:18 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/18/2014 7:42:11 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/5/2014 2:03:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
The belief that men and women ought to be treated equally is stupid.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's not what feminism is. To use that definition of feminism is to make the word obsolete since everyone agrees women should be equal.

Feminism is what the most loud, public and respected voices in feminism are and those are the same people who assert that every time a guy has sex with a woman it is rape and other such stupid statements.

When people speak against feminism it isn't your definition they are using (the one that makes the word obsolete), they're referring to feminism as an ideology supported by it's loudest and most attention getting proponents.

Feminism is not what the radical minority defends it as. The social attitudes in the US and many other countries makes my definition - the definition - very, very necessary.

That radical minority is very vocal and has all the media attention and not to mention virtually everybody thinks women should be equal making the definition pointless.

Sorry but the radical minority controls the feminism movement.


If you define feminism as - women should be equal, than 99.99% of the world can consider themselves feminist.

The problem with definitions is when the become so general they mean absolutely nothing like how you're using it and when the become so strict that virtually nobody falls under the definition.

The too strict part isn't the problem with how people are using the word now.

Now people are using it to mean- equality. I think the reason for people using the word equality as a synonym for feminism is that using it in that way gives them a good feeling about being a part of a social movement that in all actuality they aren't a part of.

Modern feminism as a philosophy isn't as simple as you're making it out to be and you're actually hurting the feminism movement by making the definition overly inclusive.

I would disagree. I'm aware of the complexities and nuances of feminism. And aware of it's many problems - such as the radical element that hurts the movement beyond anything else and the failure of general feminism to address the men's half.

Let me ask you this. What's the point of having the term feminism if everybody falls within the definition?

The only people you ever run into that think women shouldn't be equal are trolls and people who had over bearing mothers.
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12/18/2014 12:58:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2014 10:52:59 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:32:39 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:29:02 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:20:18 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/18/2014 7:42:11 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/5/2014 2:03:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
The belief that men and women ought to be treated equally is stupid.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's not what feminism is. To use that definition of feminism is to make the word obsolete since everyone agrees women should be equal.

Feminism is what the most loud, public and respected voices in feminism are and those are the same people who assert that every time a guy has sex with a woman it is rape and other such stupid statements.

When people speak against feminism it isn't your definition they are using (the one that makes the word obsolete), they're referring to feminism as an ideology supported by it's loudest and most attention getting proponents.

Feminism is not what the radical minority defends it as. The social attitudes in the US and many other countries makes my definition - the definition - very, very necessary.

That radical minority is very vocal and has all the media attention and not to mention virtually everybody thinks women should be equal making the definition pointless.

Sorry but the radical minority controls the feminism movement.


If you define feminism as - women should be equal, than 99.99% of the world can consider themselves feminist.

The problem with definitions is when the become so general they mean absolutely nothing like how you're using it and when the become so strict that virtually nobody falls under the definition.

The too strict part isn't the problem with how people are using the word now.

Now people are using it to mean- equality. I think the reason for people using the word equality as a synonym for feminism is that using it in that way gives them a good feeling about being a part of a social movement that in all actuality they aren't a part of.

Modern feminism as a philosophy isn't as simple as you're making it out to be and you're actually hurting the feminism movement by making the definition overly inclusive.

I would disagree. I'm aware of the complexities and nuances of feminism. And aware of it's many problems - such as the radical element that hurts the movement beyond anything else and the failure of general feminism to address the men's half.

Let me ask you this. What's the point of having the term feminism if everybody falls within the definition?

Wylted : The only people you ever run into that think women shouldn't be equal are trolls and people who had over bearing mothers.

The Fool :Feminism defined as it has been recently in a dictionary, is completely superfluous to gender equality. It used to simply mean "one who advocates for women's rights" and it's since been manipulated to force a kind of ultimatum, where you either with them or against them. Those who accept this identification tend to do so without realizing the ideological baggage which comes with it. Once somebody identifies as a feminist they are more easily accepting of the rest without questioning..

Kind of how a Somalian immigrant easily identifies with hip-hop culture and attitudes, simply because he's black despite previously having nothing in common with urban culture.

The catch 22, is that, equal rights For both genders does not entail equality or equity For both genders.. Feminism tends to focuses on equalizing, aspects of society which are beneficial to women while avoiding aspects which are detrimental to men, and not women.

For example they will advocate equal pay for the same work, but not equal time for the same crime. Despite the sentencing disparity being 66% on average for the same crime, after accounting for multiple offenses.

You're not going to see Feminist lobbying, for women to have longer sentencing rates equal to that of men. You see how this works here?? Or equal representation of men and women for the good and prestigious jobs, yet not equal representation for jobs like coal mining or hard labor jobs that most women don't really want to do. That sort of thing. So it doesn't end up being equal or justice for both genders, but gives the inclination that it does.

Against The IdeologistIs

Yes, a feminist will say they do after you bring this type of argument up, and make a lot of noise about it only to prevent sounding hypocritical, and to keep their hegemony on gender issues, but they certainly will not spend any resources or act, or change policies towards doing so..
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12/21/2014 2:25:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/18/2014 12:58:50 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:52:59 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:32:39 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:29:02 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:20:18 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/18/2014 7:42:11 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/5/2014 2:03:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
The belief that men and women ought to be treated equally is stupid.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's not what feminism is. To use that definition of feminism is to make the word obsolete since everyone agrees women should be equal.

Feminism is what the most loud, public and respected voices in feminism are and those are the same people who assert that every time a guy has sex with a woman it is rape and other such stupid statements.

When people speak against feminism it isn't your definition they are using (the one that makes the word obsolete), they're referring to feminism as an ideology supported by it's loudest and most attention getting proponents.

Feminism is not what the radical minority defends it as. The social attitudes in the US and many other countries makes my definition - the definition - very, very necessary.

That radical minority is very vocal and has all the media attention and not to mention virtually everybody thinks women should be equal making the definition pointless.

Sorry but the radical minority controls the feminism movement.


If you define feminism as - women should be equal, than 99.99% of the world can consider themselves feminist.

The problem with definitions is when the become so general they mean absolutely nothing like how you're using it and when the become so strict that virtually nobody falls under the definition.

The too strict part isn't the problem with how people are using the word now.

Now people are using it to mean- equality. I think the reason for people using the word equality as a synonym for feminism is that using it in that way gives them a good feeling about being a part of a social movement that in all actuality they aren't a part of.

Modern feminism as a philosophy isn't as simple as you're making it out to be and you're actually hurting the feminism movement by making the definition overly inclusive.

I would disagree. I'm aware of the complexities and nuances of feminism. And aware of it's many problems - such as the radical element that hurts the movement beyond anything else and the failure of general feminism to address the men's half.

Let me ask you this. What's the point of having the term feminism if everybody falls within the definition?

Wylted : The only people you ever run into that think women shouldn't be equal are trolls and people who had over bearing mothers.

The Fool :Feminism defined as it has been recently in a dictionary, is completely superfluous to gender equality. It used to simply mean "one who advocates for women's rights" and it's since been manipulated to force a kind of ultimatum, where you either with them or against them. Those who accept this identification tend to do so without realizing the ideological baggage which comes with it. Once somebody identifies as a feminist they are more easily accepting of the rest without questioning..

Kind of how a Somalian immigrant easily identifies with hip-hop culture and attitudes, simply because he's black despite previously having nothing in common with urban culture.

The catch 22, is that, equal rights For both genders does not entail equality or equity For both genders.. Feminism tends to focuses on equalizing, aspects of society which are beneficial to women while avoiding aspects which are detrimental to men, and not women.

For example they will advocate equal pay for the same work, but not equal time for the same crime. Despite the sentencing disparity being 66% on average for the same crime, after accounting for multiple offenses.

You're not going to see Feminist lobbying, for women to have longer sentencing rates equal to that of men. You see how this works here?? Or equal representation of men and women for the good and prestigious jobs, yet not equal representation for jobs like coal mining or hard labor jobs that most women don't really want to do. That sort of thing. So it doesn't end up being equal or justice for both genders, but gives the inclination that it does.

Against The IdeologistIs

Yes, a feminist will say they do after you bring this type of argument up, and make a lot of noise about it only to prevent sounding hypocritical, and to keep their hegemony on gender issues, but they certainly will not spend any resources or act, or change policies towards doing so..

THANK YOU GOOD SIR. Can I quote you on this?
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12/21/2014 6:10:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/21/2014 2:25:45 PM, phiLockeraptor wrote:
At 12/18/2014 12:58:50 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:52:59 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:32:39 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:29:02 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/18/2014 10:20:18 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 12/18/2014 7:42:11 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 11/5/2014 2:03:42 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
The belief that men and women ought to be treated equally is stupid.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

That's not what feminism is. To use that definition of feminism is to make the word obsolete since everyone agrees women should be equal.

Feminism is what the most loud, public and respected voices in feminism are and those are the same people who assert that every time a guy has sex with a woman it is rape and other such stupid statements.

When people speak against feminism it isn't your definition they are using (the one that makes the word obsolete), they're referring to feminism as an ideology supported by it's loudest and most attention getting proponents.

Feminism is not what the radical minority defends it as. The social attitudes in the US and many other countries makes my definition - the definition - very, very necessary.

That radical minority is very vocal and has all the media attention and not to mention virtually everybody thinks women should be equal making the definition pointless.

Sorry but the radical minority controls the feminism movement.


If you define feminism as - women should be equal, than 99.99% of the world can consider themselves feminist.

The problem with definitions is when the become so general they mean absolutely nothing like how you're using it and when the become so strict that virtually nobody falls under the definition.

The too strict part isn't the problem with how people are using the word now.

Now people are using it to mean- equality. I think the reason for people using the word equality as a synonym for feminism is that using it in that way gives them a good feeling about being a part of a social movement that in all actuality they aren't a part of.

Modern feminism as a philosophy isn't as simple as you're making it out to be and you're actually hurting the feminism movement by making the definition overly inclusive.

I would disagree. I'm aware of the complexities and nuances of feminism. And aware of it's many problems - such as the radical element that hurts the movement beyond anything else and the failure of general feminism to address the men's half.

Let me ask you this. What's the point of having the term feminism if everybody falls within the definition?

Wylted : The only people you ever run into that think women shouldn't be equal are trolls and people who had over bearing mothers.

The Fool :Feminism defined as it has been recently in a dictionary, is completely superfluous to gender equality. It used to simply mean "one who advocates for women's rights" and it's since been manipulated to force a kind of ultimatum, where you either with them or against them. Those who accept this identification tend to do so without realizing the ideological baggage which comes with it. Once somebody identifies as a feminist they are more easily accepting of the rest without questioning..

Kind of how a Somalian immigrant easily identifies with hip-hop culture and attitudes, simply because he's black despite previously having nothing in common with urban culture.

The catch 22, is that, equal rights For both genders does not entail equality or equity For both genders.. Feminism tends to focuses on equalizing, aspects of society which are beneficial to women while avoiding aspects which are detrimental to men, and not women.

For example they will advocate equal pay for the same work, but not equal time for the same crime. Despite the sentencing disparity being 66% on average for the same crime, after accounting for multiple offenses.

You're not going to see Feminist lobbying, for women to have longer sentencing rates equal to that of men. You see how this works here?? Or equal representation of men and women for the good and prestigious jobs, yet not equal representation for jobs like coal mining or hard labor jobs that most women don't really want to do. That sort of thing. So it doesn't end up being equal or justice for both genders, but gives the inclination that it does.

Against The IdeologistIs

Yes, a feminist will say they do after you bring this type of argument up, and make a lot of noise about it only to prevent sounding hypocritical, and to keep their hegemony on gender issues, but they certainly will not spend any resources or act, or change policies towards doing so..

THANK YOU GOOD SIR. Can I quote you on this?

The Fool: Yes, these are general trends of the women's movement.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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12/23/2014 9:29:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
It seems DDO has seen an increase in Men's Rights Activists.
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12/23/2014 4:15:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 9:29:53 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Vox_Verita: It seems DDO has seen an increase in Men's Rights Activists.

The Fool: Very few of them are MRA's. They just share MRA positions on certain issues.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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12/23/2014 7:09:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 4:15:38 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 12/23/2014 9:29:53 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Vox_Verita: It seems DDO has seen an increase in Men's Rights Activists.

The Fool: Very few of them are MRA's. They just share MRA positions on certain issues.

Do you see yourself as an MRA or just sharing their positions on some issues ? I tend to lean towards post colonial feminism but I'm not entirely sure anymore considering these misandrous events
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12/24/2014 2:46:12 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 7:09:34 PM, Nivek wrote:
At 12/23/2014 4:15:38 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 12/23/2014 9:29:53 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Vox_Verita: It seems DDO has seen an increase in Men's Rights Activists.

The Fool: Very few of them are MRA's. They just share MRA positions on certain issues.

Do you see yourself as an MRA or just sharing their positions on some issues ? I tend to lean towards post colonial feminism but I'm not entirely sure anymore considering these misandrous events

The Fool: I am an MRA.. .
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL