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11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????
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11/28/2014 12:52:35 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.


Me neither. But it depends on what you mean by "feminism". But the stereo-typical man-hating bigoted feminist... yes I dislike feminism if it's that sort of ideology.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????
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11/28/2014 5:01:36 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
feminism:

the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

If its not this than its not feminism. Maybe if women had equality then there wouldn't be feminism. They is still a double standard. When the last time a man was called a slut? I know many man sluts. This works both ways though. Not many women accept a man that wants to be a home maker. Things are better than in the 1940 but it not equal yet.
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11/28/2014 11:51:32 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/28/2014 5:01:36 AM, gomergcc wrote:
feminism:

the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

If its not this than its not feminism. Maybe if women had equality then there wouldn't be feminism. They is still a double standard. When the last time a man was called a slut? I know many man sluts. This works both ways though. Not many women accept a man that wants to be a home maker. Things are better than in the 1940 but it not equal yet.

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11/29/2014 4:56:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????

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To be honest, there have been endless threads on feminism, and I for one am pretty fed up with the subject. It's just something ugly lesbians are into, end of story !!
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12/22/2014 8:56:04 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/29/2014 4:56:07 AM, paininthenuts wrote:
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????

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To be honest, there have been endless threads on feminism, and I for one am pretty fed up with the subject. It's just something ugly lesbians are into, end of story !!

No it is something every person with any hope for gender equality is into.
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12/26/2014 4:53:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????

Quite interested.
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12/26/2014 4:55:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2014 5:01:36 AM, gomergcc wrote:
feminism:

the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

If its not this than its not feminism. Maybe if women had equality then there wouldn't be feminism. They is still a double standard. When the last time a man was called a slut? I know many man sluts. This works both ways though. Not many women accept a man that wants to be a home maker. Things are better than in the 1940 but it not equal yet.

True story.

I'm kind of slutty. I'm not quite a skank, but I have hoeish moments.

It's so true.
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12/26/2014 6:04:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????

Sure.
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12/26/2014 8:57:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????

I have about the same respect for feminism as I do for masculism. I think they both reflect insecurities of the individuals. I am very secure in my masculinity, and I am gay!!! I really don't understand hetero male insecurity.
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12/27/2014 2:55:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago

I'm kind of slutty. I'm not quite a skank, but I have hoeish moments.

It's so true.

Same here, I am a proud man slut. I am one of the small group of men that think the term could and should go both ways. Just guys will be proud of that women in general are not. Maybe if men voice it more it may change. I have got a few women to be proud of being a slut. Most guys love sluts, just not skanks. The differences between a slut and a skank:
A slut will still make you work for it. You might get some on the first date but you have to take her out some place nice spend a few hours getting to know her.
A skank will give you some then ask what your name is. lol
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12/27/2014 3:02:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago

I have about the same respect for feminism as I do for masculism. I think they both reflect insecurities of the individuals. I am very secure in my masculinity, and I am gay!!! I really don't understand hetero male insecurity.

I am a hetero male and I don't understand it. Even when it is me doing it. I am a hetero male homemaker. Few weeks ago I found my self looking at the kitchen appliances I would like for the holidays. Looked around and notice I was the only hetero male in the aisle. I was like, "I have to get out of here before I am forced to give up my man card." At least I could laugh at my self and know I was being ridiculous. Worse is the I am secure enough to go the the Rocky Horror picture show in full drag for a friends birthday, but I cant look at a new mixer I wanted. lol
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12/27/2014 6:15:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????

"Do you like feminism?" What is there to like about rude in your face ugly women?
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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12/27/2014 6:23:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/27/2014 6:15:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????

"Do you like feminism?" What is there to like about rude in your face ugly women?

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It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
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12/27/2014 10:53:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/27/2014 6:23:06 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 12/27/2014 6:15:33 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????

"Do you like feminism?" What is there to like about rude in your face ugly women?

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12/29/2014 6:01:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????

I don't like it when they start fights knowing their male friends will be the ones doing the fighting.
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12/29/2014 4:31:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Feminism has always been about female supremacy, and as it progressed, has developed an aptitude for misandry. So no, I don't like it.
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12/31/2014 1:13:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The whole premise is to treat certain categories of people as victims or messiahs in order to grant them special privileges and protection, and oppress those who don't belong in these categories by calling them oppressors.
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12/31/2014 6:31:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
If you dislike Feminists, you're a rational human being who despite their best efforts does not get along with everybody they encounter.
If you dislike Feminism, you dislike equal rights for the sexes.
One of these things is not like the other.
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1/3/2015 2:54:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/29/2014 4:31:38 PM, Zarroette wrote:
Feminism has always been about female supremacy, and as it progressed, has developed an aptitude for misandry. So no, I don't like it.

Oh god. Just stop talking. Seriously.
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1/3/2015 2:59:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????

No, not unless you specifically outlined a definition of feminism that we agreed upon. The problem with feminism (and many if not all other ideologies) is that when you have such a large group of people claiming to be X, that group eventually presents a split in advocation. For example, some Christians believe in the trinity and some don't -- but both identify as Christian. Some libertarians believe in abortion and some don't -- but both identify as libertarian. Likewise some feminists believe in things like affirmative action for women. I personally do NOT support affirmative action while I do identify as a feminist.

The only way this debate will be productive and not turn into a slander-fest where you're relying on people's already biased perspective of feminism (such as the support of misandry) is by specifying which policies you think should not come to fruition. That way you are actually debating the RELEVANT CONTENT of your post instead of a politically charged buzz word that invokes so many visceral reactions.
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1/3/2015 5:39:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 2:59:58 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????

No, not unless you specifically outlined a definition of feminism that we agreed upon. The problem with feminism (and many if not all other ideologies) is that when you have such a large group of people claiming to be X, that group eventually presents a split in advocation. For example, some Christians believe in the trinity and some don't -- but both identify as Christian. Some libertarians believe in abortion and some don't -- but both identify as libertarian. Likewise some feminists believe in things like affirmative action for women. I personally do NOT support affirmative action while I do identify as a feminist.

The only way this debate will be productive and not turn into a slander-fest where you're relying on people's already biased perspective of feminism (such as the support of misandry) is by specifying which policies you think should not come to fruition. That way you are actually debating the RELEVANT CONTENT of your post instead of a politically charged buzz word that invokes so many visceral reactions.

Good points. When I have more time freed up, I'll create a list of popular current feminist policies and those that are being discussed, so the debate has focus.

Obviously there's going to be a large chunk of the old equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome debate in there.
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1/3/2015 5:53:50 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 5:39:30 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 1/3/2015 2:59:58 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????

No, not unless you specifically outlined a definition of feminism that we agreed upon. The problem with feminism (and many if not all other ideologies) is that when you have such a large group of people claiming to be X, that group eventually presents a split in advocation. For example, some Christians believe in the trinity and some don't -- but both identify as Christian. Some libertarians believe in abortion and some don't -- but both identify as libertarian. Likewise some feminists believe in things like affirmative action for women. I personally do NOT support affirmative action while I do identify as a feminist.

The only way this debate will be productive and not turn into a slander-fest where you're relying on people's already biased perspective of feminism (such as the support of misandry) is by specifying which policies you think should not come to fruition. That way you are actually debating the RELEVANT CONTENT of your post instead of a politically charged buzz word that invokes so many visceral reactions.

Good points. When I have more time freed up, I'll create a list of popular current feminist policies and those that are being discussed, so the debate has focus.

Obviously there's going to be a large chunk of the old equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome debate in there.
If you actually end up doing this debate, please post the link in this thread!
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1/3/2015 6:37:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 2:54:20 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 12/29/2014 4:31:38 PM, Zarroette wrote:
Feminism has always been about female supremacy, and as it progressed, has developed an aptitude for misandry. So no, I don't like it.

Oh god. Just stop talking. Seriously.

Can you stop responding to all my posts? I haven't heard so much crying since I was at Pre-school. Thanks.
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1/3/2015 7:12:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 2:59:58 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????

No, not unless you specifically outlined a definition of feminism that we agreed upon. The problem with feminism (and many if not all other ideologies) is that when you have such a large group of people claiming to be X, that group eventually presents a split in advocation. For example, some Christians believe in the trinity and some don't -- but both identify as Christian. Some libertarians believe in abortion and some don't -- but both identify as libertarian. Likewise some feminists believe in things like affirmative action for women. I personally do NOT support affirmative action while I do identify as a feminist.

The only way this debate will be productive and not turn into a slander-fest where you're relying on people's already biased perspective of feminism (such as the support of misandry) is by specifying which policies you think should not come to fruition. That way you are actually debating the RELEVANT CONTENT of your post instead of a politically charged buzz word that invokes so many visceral reactions.

Thank you. By this point, "feminism" has lost pretty much all specific meaning - it's used in so many different contexts to describe so many different things that it can't even be defined anymore. It's much more useful to actually specify what you're talking about rather than saying that you're a feminist/anti-feminist.
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1/3/2015 7:54:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 2:59:58 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 11/28/2014 12:00:25 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I don't.

Would anyone be interested in debating, "The consequences of legislating feminism are detrimental to society." ??????????????

No, not unless you specifically outlined a definition of feminism that we agreed upon. The problem with feminism (and many if not all other ideologies) is that when you have such a large group of people claiming to be X, that group eventually presents a split in advocation. For example, some Christians believe in the trinity and some don't -- but both identify as Christian. Some libertarians believe in abortion and some don't -- but both identify as libertarian. Likewise some feminists believe in things like affirmative action for women. I personally do NOT support affirmative action while I do identify as a feminist.

The only way this debate will be productive and not turn into a slander-fest where you're relying on people's already biased perspective of feminism (such as the support of misandry) is by specifying which policies you think should not come to fruition. That way you are actually debating the RELEVANT CONTENT of your post instead of a politically charged buzz word that invokes so many visceral reactions.

I try to craft a definition to represent what the most vocal voices in feminism represent. I think that's a fair way to do it.

I've heard the most vocal voices, saying every sexual encounter between a man and a woman is rape, and other absurd things. They've also suggested you kill the mood and ask your date permission to have sex with them.

That's a good way to scare somebody off. What's wrong with the traditional approach of testing the waters by putting your hand on their leg so you can gauge their reaction among other things, but I digress.

The way most people use the word feminism actually causes it to lose all meaning. Literally everybody wants women to be equal. The exceptions to this rule aren't even worth mentioning and don't exist in western society.

You could apply the definition from earlier to fit me and the term feminism probably shouldn't be used to be able to describe womanizers.
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1/3/2015 12:10:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/29/2014 4:31:38 PM, Zarroette wrote:
Feminism has always been about female supremacy, and as it progressed, has developed an aptitude for misandry. So no, I don't like it.

Do you believe that women should have the same rights/oppurtunities as men?

I would tend to agree with you pertaining to specifically the feminist movement because I've seen a lot of horrifyingly extreme feminist views that rightly give feminism a bad name.

But by definition, anyone who advocates for the the above statement is a feminist. That statement definitely doesn't promote female supremacy.
So what I'm wondering is, do you disagree with the above statement? or do you agree but refuse to advocate for the above statement due to the bad reputation feminists get?

I'd be very interested in debating you on this if you want.
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1/3/2015 12:15:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/31/2014 6:31:32 PM, SirCrona wrote:
If you dislike Feminists, you're a rational human being who despite their best efforts does not get along with everybody they encounter.
If you dislike Feminism, you dislike equal rights for the sexes.
One of these things is not like the other.

i really like this. disliking feminists =/= disliking feminism
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1/3/2015 3:32:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 2:54:20 AM, Danielle wrote:
At 12/29/2014 4:31:38 PM, Zarroette wrote:
Feminism has always been about female supremacy, and as it progressed, has developed an aptitude for misandry. So no, I don't like it.

Oh god. Just stop talking. Seriously.

lol
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1/3/2015 3:39:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The only problem I have with feminism is that feminists can be overly reactionary. I don't really care about the affirmative action bit or any of that (I mean, why would anyone really?), but when it comes to things like abortion and women are jumping straight to 'our body, our right!' then there's something very wrong - a child isn't a tyranny of man on woman, ladies; where is this debate going?