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1/8/2015 12:49:05 AM
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Do you think homosexuals should be allowed to raise children? Why/why not?
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1/8/2015 1:33:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 12:49:05 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Do you think homosexuals should be allowed to raise children? Why/why not?

My initial reaction is to say yes, but I haven't looked at the data to know whether it's really in the child's best interest.
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1/8/2015 1:36:44 AM
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Show a person a kindness, they'll owe it to the world. Show a person an unkindness, the same is true. There isn't much more to upbringing than that.
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1/8/2015 1:58:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 1:36:44 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Show a person a kindness, they'll owe it to the world. Show a person an unkindness, the same is true. There isn't much more to upbringing than that.

If all it took were kindness, golden retrievers could be parents.
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1/8/2015 2:01:46 AM
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At 1/8/2015 1:58:11 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/8/2015 1:36:44 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Show a person a kindness, they'll owe it to the world. Show a person an unkindness, the same is true. There isn't much more to upbringing than that.

If all it took were kindness, golden retrievers could be parents.

Curious response. :)
Are you looking to make *men* out of other people's children?
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1/8/2015 2:38:29 AM
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At 1/8/2015 1:36:44 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Show a person a kindness, they'll owe it to the world. Show a person an unkindness, the same is true. There isn't much more to upbringing than that.

There isn't much more than introducing the intangible concept of kindness? I beg the differ, you have merely scratched the surface.
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1/8/2015 2:42:05 AM
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At 1/8/2015 2:38:29 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/8/2015 1:36:44 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Show a person a kindness, they'll owe it to the world. Show a person an unkindness, the same is true. There isn't much more to upbringing than that.

There isn't much more than introducing the intangible concept of kindness? I beg the differ, you have merely scratched the surface.

'Kindness' and 'unkindness' are names we put on quite tangible things, friend.
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1/8/2015 2:43:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 12:49:05 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Do you think homosexuals should be allowed to raise children? Why/why not?

Parenting, as it pertains to the proposal of the potential performance, should be devoid of labels, such as homosexuality, and focus on the content and nature of the potential parent(s). Financial status is also a crucial aspect to consider, along with other various current factors.

Reviewal of the evidence, on the other hand, could depict a different picture.
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1/8/2015 2:45:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 2:42:05 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:38:29 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/8/2015 1:36:44 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Show a person a kindness, they'll owe it to the world. Show a person an unkindness, the same is true. There isn't much more to upbringing than that.

There isn't much more than introducing the intangible concept of kindness? I beg the differ, you have merely scratched the surface.

'Kindness' and 'unkindness' are names we put on quite tangible things, friend.

I was putting forth the argument that parenting elaborates to a far more intricate process, than merely introducing kindness, which conceptually is inherently intangible.
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1/8/2015 2:46:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 2:43:14 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/8/2015 12:49:05 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Do you think homosexuals should be allowed to raise children? Why/why not?

Parenting, as it pertains to the proposal of the potential performance, should be devoid of labels, such as homosexuality, and focus on the content and nature of the potential parent(s). Financial status is also a crucial aspect to consider, along with other various current factors.

Reviewal of the evidence, on the other hand, could depict a different picture.

Reading this post paints a picture for me of a rather awkward man pulling up his pants and the courage to say something, which he then blunders through regardless.

No offense, lol. It was a treat, really.
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1/8/2015 2:49:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 2:46:53 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:43:14 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/8/2015 12:49:05 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Do you think homosexuals should be allowed to raise children? Why/why not?

Parenting, as it pertains to the proposal of the potential performance, should be devoid of labels, such as homosexuality, and focus on the content and nature of the potential parent(s). Financial status is also a crucial aspect to consider, along with other various current factors.

Reviewal of the evidence, on the other hand, could depict a different picture.

Reading this post paints a picture for me of a rather awkward man pulling up his pants and the courage to say something, which he then blunders through regardless.

No offense, lol. It was a treat, really.

Strange enough, I've detected that a scenario with a man leaving your presence, subsequently after you an him have engaged in whatever sexual endeavors it may be, strikes a fancy with you. Then again, just a though.
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1/8/2015 2:49:56 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 2:46:53 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:43:14 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/8/2015 12:49:05 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Do you think homosexuals should be allowed to raise children? Why/why not?

Parenting, as it pertains to the proposal of the potential performance, should be devoid of labels, such as homosexuality, and focus on the content and nature of the potential parent(s). Financial status is also a crucial aspect to consider, along with other various current factors.

Reviewal of the evidence, on the other hand, could depict a different picture.

Reading this post paints a picture for me of a rather awkward man pulling up his pants and the courage to say something, which he then blunders through regardless.

No offense, lol. It was a treat, really.

LOL
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1/8/2015 2:51:03 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 2:46:53 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:43:14 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/8/2015 12:49:05 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Do you think homosexuals should be allowed to raise children? Why/why not?

Parenting, as it pertains to the proposal of the potential performance, should be devoid of labels, such as homosexuality, and focus on the content and nature of the potential parent(s). Financial status is also a crucial aspect to consider, along with other various current factors.

Reviewal of the evidence, on the other hand, could depict a different picture.

Reading this post paints a picture for me of a rather awkward man pulling up his pants and the courage to say something, which he then blunders through regardless.

No offense, lol. It was a treat, really.

What did you expect from someone with a picture of broccoli as their avatar?
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1/8/2015 2:54:56 AM
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At 1/8/2015 2:51:03 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:46:53 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:43:14 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/8/2015 12:49:05 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Do you think homosexuals should be allowed to raise children? Why/why not?

Parenting, as it pertains to the proposal of the potential performance, should be devoid of labels, such as homosexuality, and focus on the content and nature of the potential parent(s). Financial status is also a crucial aspect to consider, along with other various current factors.

Reviewal of the evidence, on the other hand, could depict a different picture.

Reading this post paints a picture for me of a rather awkward man pulling up his pants and the courage to say something, which he then blunders through regardless.

No offense, lol. It was a treat, really.

What did you expect from someone with a picture of broccoli as their avatar?

Curios, what do you expect? Is there a pre-conceived notion that pictures of broccoli are indicative of a unique response? Share your thoughts.
FaustianJustice
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1/8/2015 4:07:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 2:54:56 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:51:03 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:46:53 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:43:14 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/8/2015 12:49:05 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Do you think homosexuals should be allowed to raise children? Why/why not?

Parenting, as it pertains to the proposal of the potential performance, should be devoid of labels, such as homosexuality, and focus on the content and nature of the potential parent(s). Financial status is also a crucial aspect to consider, along with other various current factors.

Reviewal of the evidence, on the other hand, could depict a different picture.

Reading this post paints a picture for me of a rather awkward man pulling up his pants and the courage to say something, which he then blunders through regardless.

No offense, lol. It was a treat, really.

What did you expect from someone with a picture of broccoli as their avatar?

Curios, what do you expect?

Not broccoli.

Is there a pre-conceived notion that pictures of broccoli are indicative of a unique response?

Exactly that, its the point of being able to choose a picture: to be unique. Some people usually take a picture reflective of something they admire, or aspire towards. Others take a picture in what they think is reflective of them. Then there is broccoli. Unique. Cryptic. Puzzling. But still unique.

On the matter of parenting, consciously, I can't put a finger on my parents specifically pushing me toward liking one gender or another. While my expirience is most probably not the norm, I can't help but think that sexual preference is not as influenced by society as we would like to believe.
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1/8/2015 4:32:27 AM
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At 1/8/2015 4:07:18 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:54:56 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:51:03 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:46:53 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:43:14 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/8/2015 12:49:05 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Do you think homosexuals should be allowed to raise children? Why/why not?

Parenting, as it pertains to the proposal of the potential performance, should be devoid of labels, such as homosexuality, and focus on the content and nature of the potential parent(s). Financial status is also a crucial aspect to consider, along with other various current factors.

Reviewal of the evidence, on the other hand, could depict a different picture.

Reading this post paints a picture for me of a rather awkward man pulling up his pants and the courage to say something, which he then blunders through regardless.

No offense, lol. It was a treat, really.

What did you expect from someone with a picture of broccoli as their avatar?

Curios, what do you expect?

Not broccoli.

Is there a pre-conceived notion that pictures of broccoli are indicative of a unique response?

Exactly that, its the point of being able to choose a picture: to be unique. Some people usually take a picture reflective of something they admire, or aspire towards. Others take a picture in what they think is reflective of them. Then there is broccoli. Unique. Cryptic. Puzzling. But still unique.

On the matter of parenting, consciously, I can't put a finger on my parents specifically pushing me toward liking one gender or another. While my expirience is most probably not the norm, I can't help but think that sexual preference is not as influenced by society as we would like to believe.

Actually, it very obviously is. H.H.'s infatuation with Lolita, for example, stemming from his youth, as if to deny to the death of Annabel. Or, in a more recent exposition, the homosexual Alan Turing in The Imitation Game lusting after the recreation of the only friend he ever had - a male. Really, it's rather obvious from the trends that sexuality is socially defined (along with exactly everything). Perhaps you should look to the outliers rather the normals. And, of course, those are a book and a movie, but what's obvious is obvious - not my fault you haven't been paying attention.

Regardless, where exactly is the issue in a person's sexuality tending one way or another? But I liked that bit at the end, really - "as we would like to believe"... Sure, lol.
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1/8/2015 4:35:21 AM
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Freud wasn't far wrong with his Oedipus complex, really. He probably could have fleshed it out a little bit better, though; and maybe it'd have been better if it hadn't been coming from someone who slept with his parents throughout his youth period.
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1/8/2015 4:35:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 4:32:27 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/8/2015 4:07:18 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:54:56 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:51:03 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:46:53 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/8/2015 2:43:14 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/8/2015 12:49:05 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Do you think homosexuals should be allowed to raise children? Why/why not?

Parenting, as it pertains to the proposal of the potential performance, should be devoid of labels, such as homosexuality, and focus on the content and nature of the potential parent(s). Financial status is also a crucial aspect to consider, along with other various current factors.

Reviewal of the evidence, on the other hand, could depict a different picture.

Reading this post paints a picture for me of a rather awkward man pulling up his pants and the courage to say something, which he then blunders through regardless.

No offense, lol. It was a treat, really.

What did you expect from someone with a picture of broccoli as their avatar?

Curios, what do you expect?

Not broccoli.

Is there a pre-conceived notion that pictures of broccoli are indicative of a unique response?

Exactly that, its the point of being able to choose a picture: to be unique. Some people usually take a picture reflective of something they admire, or aspire towards. Others take a picture in what they think is reflective of them. Then there is broccoli. Unique. Cryptic. Puzzling. But still unique.

On the matter of parenting, consciously, I can't put a finger on my parents specifically pushing me toward liking one gender or another. While my expirience is most probably not the norm, I can't help but think that sexual preference is not as influenced by society as we would like to believe.

Actually, it very obviously is. H.H.'s infatuation with Lolita, for example, stemming from his youth, as if to deny to the death of Annabel. Or, in a more recent exposition, the homosexual Alan Turing in The Imitation Game lusting after the recreation of the only friend he ever had - a male. Really, it's rather obvious from the trends that sexuality is socially defined (along with exactly everything). Perhaps you should look to the outliers rather the normals. And, of course, those are a book and a movie, but what's obvious is obvious - not my fault you haven't been paying attention.

If your contention that society influences sexuality, since I am heterosexual, it would seem as though I -was- paying attention.


Regardless, where exactly is the issue in a person's sexuality tending one way or another? But I liked that bit at the end, really - "as we would like to believe"... Sure, lol.

Very well, did anyone 'teach' you to be straight or gay? What do you feel was the biggest influence of your sexual preference beyond the gender itself?
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1/8/2015 4:45:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 4:35:54 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Very well, did anyone 'teach' you to be straight or gay? What do you feel was the biggest influence of your sexual preference beyond the gender itself?

Sexuality is actually quite a nuanced and variable thing, even in men who firmly abstain from homosexual considerations. Did you know, for example, that masturbation for many comes to tie in very much with the existential; as if an unextinguishable joy that a person will take? True enough, one's own embarrassment, defeat, etc. very easily become cannon fodder (or perhaps cock fodder). In truth, one's dick is entirely under one's command; and, yes, we do in fact learn what to do with it. I wonder, do you think all these so-materialistic fetishes are born of evolution too? Heterosexuality is just easy.
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1/8/2015 4:52:29 AM
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At 1/8/2015 4:45:42 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/8/2015 4:35:54 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Very well, did anyone 'teach' you to be straight or gay? What do you feel was the biggest influence of your sexual preference beyond the gender itself?

Sexuality is actually quite a nuanced and variable thing, even in men who firmly abstain from homosexual considerations.

Fascinating.

Did you know, for example, that masturbation for many comes to tie in very much with the existential; as if an unextinguishable joy that a person will take?

Why no, I didn't.

True enough, one's own embarrassment, defeat, etc. very easily become cannon fodder (or perhaps cock fodder). In truth, one's dick is entirely under one's command; and, yes, we do in fact learn what to do with it. I wonder, do you think all these so-materialistic fetishes are born of evolution too?

I think materialistic fetishes are the sexual equivalent of wanting to get a stronger high, though it still takes that 'hit' to inspire something more powerful.

Heterosexuality is just easy.

Which is all a very polite way of saying "Hm, gee, I don't know". Or, perhaps I phrased the question in a nebulous fashion. Let me try again:

What 'held your eye', sexually, beyond your preferred gender through various inputs in society? To what application or end were those inputs used, if not the preferred gender?
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1/8/2015 4:55:43 AM
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At 1/8/2015 4:52:29 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Let me ask you a question this time, that you are to give actual response to: why have you made this thread about whether or not the children of homosexual parents will become homosexual? I assume it is mostly some offshoot of my naming Pinker a retard, but my, what a place to make objection.
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1/8/2015 5:03:42 AM
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We have a user on here who grew up with two female parents and is himself a homosexual, by the way. Hate to use him as a statistic, but he is one. Cool dude too.
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1/8/2015 5:03:55 AM
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At 1/8/2015 4:55:43 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/8/2015 4:52:29 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Let me ask you a question this time,

"This time"? You just got done asking 2.

that you are to give actual response to: why have you made this thread about whether or not the children of homosexual parents will become homosexual?

Traditional gender roles, adaptive understanding of them by a child, learned verse internal behaviors. Those seem to me at least to be some relevant questions or circusmstances to homosexuals adopting children.
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1/8/2015 5:06:02 AM
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At 1/8/2015 5:03:55 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/8/2015 4:55:43 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/8/2015 4:52:29 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Let me ask you a question this time,

"This time"? You just got done asking 2.

Which you merely tried to condescend to with, uhm, dumbness.

that you are to give actual response to: why have you made this thread about whether or not the children of homosexual parents will become homosexual?

Traditional gender roles, adaptive understanding of them by a child, learned verse internal behaviors. Those seem to me at least to be some relevant questions or circusmstances to homosexuals adopting children.

You're a fool, mate.
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1/8/2015 5:12:48 AM
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At 1/8/2015 5:06:02 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/8/2015 5:03:55 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/8/2015 4:55:43 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
At 1/8/2015 4:52:29 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Let me ask you a question this time,

"This time"? You just got done asking 2.

Which you merely tried to condescend to with, uhm, dumbness.

The first one falls under the question of 'ask a rhetorical question...'

The second one you got a response that I am not sure how you are correlating to condescenion, or 'dumbness'.


that you are to give actual response to: why have you made this thread about whether or not the children of homosexual parents will become homosexual?

Traditional gender roles, adaptive understanding of them by a child, learned verse internal behaviors. Those seem to me at least to be some relevant questions or circusmstances to homosexuals adopting children.

You're a fool, mate.

Please, elaborate. Your current premise or... refute... or... whatever you want to call it doesn't seem to stem from much, and when I asked you a rather specific question that was germane to it, you don't have a response.
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1/8/2015 5:15:10 AM
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Heck, most sex is pathetic, actually. We have a rather childish homosexual on here too - I'll say no names.
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1/8/2015 6:19:09 AM
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At 1/8/2015 5:15:10 AM, AnDoctuir wrote:
Heck, most sex is pathetic, actually. We have a rather childish homosexual on here too - I'll say no names.

Hahahaha. I wouldn't need a second guess...
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1/8/2015 9:58:25 AM
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I don't see why they wouldn't be allowed to.

At this point two parents is better than one parent no matter what kind of pairing you get.
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