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7/24/2010 10:53:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Why does it get so much hate? Sure it sometimes goes overboard but there are extermists for everything and peta is trying to protect animals rights.

I don't see whats wrong with peta so if you do please explain it to me. How can peta possibly be more horrible then those that torture animals?
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7/24/2010 10:59:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Watch the three videos in the opening round of this debate. It's an episode of Penn & Teller: Bullsh!t about PETA.

http://www.debate.org...
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7/24/2010 11:05:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/24/2010 10:59:32 PM, Korashk wrote:
Watch the three videos in the opening round of this debate. It's an episode of Penn & Teller: Bullsh!t about PETA.

http://www.debate.org...

Is this supposed to be funny? Serious?
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7/24/2010 11:14:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I watched the first one, commentary on that is that is BS. the treatment of animals is like that of the jews with the exception that I never heard of the nazis testing anything on the jews.
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7/24/2010 11:26:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Don't see anything wrong with #2, it just makes me support peta even more.
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7/24/2010 11:38:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
PETA are a bunch of nutcases. Sure, animal welfare can be a good thing, but I'd rather give human rights before animals. Besides, PETA takes the whole thing too far.
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7/24/2010 11:39:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/24/2010 10:53:11 PM, lovelife wrote:
Why does it get so much hate? Sure it sometimes goes overboard but there are extermists for everything and peta is trying to protect animals rights.

I don't see whats wrong with peta so if you do please explain it to me. How can peta possibly be more horrible then those that torture animals?

They lie to school children about the effects of drinking cow's milk, this pretty much invalidates anything they say or do. I can't believe anything they say, and I can't place any value on their whines concerning animal rights when they are directly trying to harm human health.
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7/24/2010 11:44:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/24/2010 11:38:01 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
PETA are a bunch of nutcases. Sure, animal welfare can be a good thing, but I'd rather give human rights before animals. Besides, PETA takes the whole thing too far.

I joined peta. And i think animals have a right to be treated decently more then humans have a right to live. From this day I pledge not to use any medicine unless it was tested on humans or its being tested on me instead of them.

"They lie to school children about the effects of drinking cow's milk, this pretty much invalidates anything they say or do. I can't believe anything they say, and I can't place any value on their whines concerning animal rights when they are directly trying to harm human health."

What do they say about cows milk? I wont eat meat anymore (may be temporary, since it is an addiction and the way people were made but since there are alternitives I will seek them and try my best to quit, but I will still eat things with milk in them such as cake which also has eggs)

Human health testing should be done on humans, not by testing unwilling, innocent animals.

What do they tell the children that is lie?
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7/24/2010 11:50:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
They claim that drinking milk causes obesity and acne... and they do so via cartoons in the style of the garbage yard kids (maybe before your time).
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7/24/2010 11:53:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/24/2010 11:50:19 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
They claim that drinking milk causes obesity and acne... and they do so via cartoons in the style of the garbage yard kids (maybe before your time).

Never heard of that so it prolly was. There may be some fact behind that, not 100% sure. People also say chocolate does the same thing but pssh like I'd give up chocolate, or cake, or ceral for that matter cause of a little acne and gaining more weight.
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7/24/2010 11:59:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At the last concert i was at, while i was standing in line my friends and I were approached by Peta folks, they were there against the abuse of baby elephants in the circus, things like that i'm okay with them fighting against, but like a couple people in this thread have already states-they take it to far most of the time.
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7/25/2010 12:04:33 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/24/2010 11:59:42 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At the last concert i was at, while i was standing in line my friends and I were approached by Peta folks, they were there against the abuse of baby elephants in the circus, things like that i'm okay with them fighting against, but like a couple people in this thread have already states-they take it to far most of the time.

Differnet then religion how? Actually anything you place belief in will be corrupt at least a little so peta is now like my religion. I am in favor of pets and zoos that are there to save animals like the one I go to that has injured bald eagles and stuff they cant fly but there given open area that they can live in. I don't think people should think any less of their pets or abuse them in any way, but I'm not against the idea of having them at all.
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7/25/2010 12:06:37 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 12:04:33 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 7/24/2010 11:59:42 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At the last concert i was at, while i was standing in line my friends and I were approached by Peta folks, they were there against the abuse of baby elephants in the circus, things like that i'm okay with them fighting against, but like a couple people in this thread have already states-they take it to far most of the time.

Differnet then religion how? Actually anything you place belief in will be corrupt at least a little so peta is now like my religion. I am in favor of pets and zoos that are there to save animals like the one I go to that has injured bald eagles and stuff they cant fly but there given open area that they can live in. I don't think people should think any less of their pets or abuse them in any way, but I'm not against the idea of having them at all.

PETA is anti-pets and anti-zoos. As a PETA member you better say goodbye to both. Get rid of any pets you may have as keeping pets is supposably "animal slavery".
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7/25/2010 12:09:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 12:06:37 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/25/2010 12:04:33 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 7/24/2010 11:59:42 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At the last concert i was at, while i was standing in line my friends and I were approached by Peta folks, they were there against the abuse of baby elephants in the circus, things like that i'm okay with them fighting against, but like a couple people in this thread have already states-they take it to far most of the time.

Differnet then religion how? Actually anything you place belief in will be corrupt at least a little so peta is now like my religion. I am in favor of pets and zoos that are there to save animals like the one I go to that has injured bald eagles and stuff they cant fly but there given open area that they can live in. I don't think people should think any less of their pets or abuse them in any way, but I'm not against the idea of having them at all.

PETA is anti-pets and anti-zoos. As a PETA member you better say goodbye to both. Get rid of any pets you may have as keeping pets is supposably "animal slavery".

Thank you ^. First of all this has nothing to do with Religion, but yes some people inaccurately represent religion, but Christianity in and itself does not.
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7/25/2010 12:12:46 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 12:07:56 AM, TheSkeptic wrote:
I'm okay with animal welfare, but animal rights? Hell no.

And that isn't the same thing? Animals shouldn't be abused, that's the only right I would give them. But you can't say you don't want them to be mis-treaded but also have no rights.
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7/25/2010 12:37:12 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'm not 100% sure on my exact stance I know I want to keep animals safe and happy and peta is the best cahnce for that. I only get pes that would otherwise starve on the street, like the dogs I had, many cats, and I only support zoos that are helpful to keeping animals safe and happy as possible. I don't argue that protesting for euthanizing was wrong because it is a necessary evil, but I support that at all costs animal cruelty should be destroyed.

Not gunna lie necessary or not animal death makes me cry, every time.

I want to fight for animals to have the right to live happy lives, not rome the streets and starve and get run over, but the right to a good home, to not be fur, not be tested on and not any of the other cruelties people subject them to.
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7/25/2010 7:09:12 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/24/2010 11:14:05 PM, lovelife wrote:
I watched the first one, commentary on that is that is BS. the treatment of animals is like that of the jews with the exception that I never heard of the nazis testing anything on the jews.

Well, the Nazis did test crap on the Jews, but that's beside the point.

If you watch the third video you'll learn that PETA euthanizes most of the animals that they "rescue."
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7/25/2010 7:10:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
PETA are a bunch of nut-jobs. They actively fund animal liberators who use force. They also hold absolutely ridiculous views (Like no fur, no meat, no dairy, etc.). I understand some of their viewpoints, but at the end of the day the argument is stronger for animals not having rights.
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7/25/2010 7:12:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/24/2010 11:14:05 PM, lovelife wrote:
I watched the first one, commentary on that is that is BS. the treatment of animals is like that of the jews with the exception that I never heard of the nazis testing anything on the jews.

Lolzor. Difference is humans are superior beings than other animals. And don't try and draw parallels between is statements and Nazism, because there is a huge biological difference between animals and humans.
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7/25/2010 7:36:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Why does it get so much hate?

peta is trying to protect animals rights.
That nonsense is plenty of reason.

Question: Are you even a vegetarian lovelife?
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7/25/2010 7:37:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I call it "nonsense" because such things don't have rights, unless they are rational.

In which case it's in their interests to inform me of it rather soon.
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7/25/2010 8:55:44 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 7:36:14 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Why does it get so much hate?

peta is trying to protect animals rights.
That nonsense is plenty of reason.


How so? Protecting animals from becoming fur, and test subjects are plenty of good reasons why their good not bad Panda. Food is debatable.

Question: Are you even a vegetarian lovelife?

Not sure. I'm trying it again but most likely I wont be able to live my own lifestyle and make my own choices until I'm out of this house. Then theirs the issue between eating whats natural and whats moral. I'm still not even sure if eating meat is immoral as long as its not in large amounts. So really I'm not sure at this point, its going to take a lot of talking to myself and rationalizing pros and cons, and what I truly believe and what I know. Its kinda like the 2 year process of when I lost religion. I never really believed in it (I could never eat meat if I remembered it came from animals being killed) but I tried to (I put that aside and forgot all about the death involved and imagined meat grew at stores) then realize the right path for me.
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7/25/2010 9:01:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 8:55:44 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 7/25/2010 7:36:14 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Why does it get so much hate?

peta is trying to protect animals rights.
That nonsense is plenty of reason.


How so? Protecting animals from becoming fur, and test subjects are plenty of good reasons why their good not bad Panda.
Nope. It's plenty of reasons why they are bad. Fur is good, as is medical technology. Animals have no rights/

Food is debatable.
Considering how medical testing on animals is probably even more needed than food from animals (though less enjoyable...)

I'm still not even sure if eating meat is immoral as long as its not in large amounts.
Animals do not have rights. But if they did, eating it without their consent, except perhaps roadkill, would be wrong.
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7/25/2010 9:10:39 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 9:01:54 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/25/2010 8:55:44 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 7/25/2010 7:36:14 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Why does it get so much hate?

peta is trying to protect animals rights.
That nonsense is plenty of reason.


How so? Protecting animals from becoming fur, and test subjects are plenty of good reasons why their good not bad Panda.
Nope. It's plenty of reasons why they are bad. Fur is good, as is medical technology. Animals have no rights/


Why does anyone need animal fur? There are plenty of non animal fur clothes out there. And no its not good. 1,000s of animals die due to testing that isn't even accurate! WTF! You'd think with how "smart" scientists are supposed to be they would learn that it is not accurate to test anthing on animals and it is WRONG to torture them. If you wouldn't do it to your kid you shouldn't do it to an animal. (though eating is kinda debatable. I'm not opposed to eating children tho. Baby animals? Yes thats wrong seeing as how when eating them they tend to be tortured their whole lives, but humans are spoiled and overpopulated. Eating human babies is not in-ethical)

Food is debatable.
Considering how medical testing on animals is probably even more needed than food from animals (though less enjoyable...)


No its inaccurate. Humans naturally need animals. Testing is something humans should do for humans on humans. For animals on animals, as long as they don't torture either.

I'm still not even sure if eating meat is immoral as long as its not in large amounts.
Animals do not have rights. But if they did, eating it without their consent, except perhaps roadkill, would be wrong.

They should have rights and as I saw last night speciesism is just as wrong as racism.

(I wish my keyboard wasn't messing up as much cause I had another really long responce earlier but it just went away.)
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7/25/2010 9:13:48 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 7:37:01 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
I call it "nonsense" because such things don't have rights, unless they are rational.


Prove they aren't. They feel pain, they feel hungry, they feel scared they feel lonely, the only difference is they can't talk to you and I can. Might as well do the same testing and eating on newborns. Actually that would be a good solution. Advance science enough so that aborted fetusses can live long enough to get enough human qualities to be good for testing. Everyone wins.

In which case it's in their interests to inform me of it rather soon.

That's PETA's job. They are supposed to be the voices for the animals that cannot speak for themselves.
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7/25/2010 9:16:48 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 9:13:48 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 7/25/2010 7:37:01 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
I call it "nonsense" because such things don't have rights, unless they are rational.


Prove they aren't. They feel pain, they feel hungry, they feel scared they feel lonely, the only difference is they can't talk to you and I can. Might as well do the same testing and eating on newborns. Actually that would be a good solution. Advance science enough so that aborted fetusses can live long enough to get enough human qualities to be good for testing. Everyone wins.

In which case it's in their interests to inform me of it rather soon.

That's PETA's job. They are supposed to be the voices for the animals that cannot speak for themselves.

PETA kills most of the animals that they rescue.
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7/25/2010 9:26:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/25/2010 9:10:39 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 7/25/2010 9:01:54 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 7/25/2010 8:55:44 AM, lovelife wrote:
At 7/25/2010 7:36:14 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
Why does it get so much hate?

peta is trying to protect animals rights.
That nonsense is plenty of reason.


How so? Protecting animals from becoming fur, and test subjects are plenty of good reasons why their good not bad Panda.
Nope. It's plenty of reasons why they are bad. Fur is good, as is medical technology. Animals have no rights/


Why does anyone need animal fur? There are plenty of non animal fur clothes out there. And no its not good. 1,000s of animals die due to testing that isn't even accurate! WTF! You'd think with how "smart" scientists are supposed to be they would learn that it is not accurate to test anthing on animals and it is WRONG to torture them.

I would imagine Animal testing is vastly more accurate than those scientists testing it on drawn up Models of human systems.

Mammals have A LOT in common... with, it seems to me, mostly, small variations.

If you wouldn't do it to your kid you shouldn't do it to an animal. (though eating is kinda debatable. I'm not opposed to eating children tho. Baby animals? Yes thats wrong seeing as how when eating them they tend to be tortured their whole lives, but humans are spoiled and overpopulated. Eating human babies is not in-ethical)

lol... and you're trying to convince us Peta ppl AREN'T crazy.

Food is debatable.
Considering how medical testing on animals is probably even more needed than food from animals (though less enjoyable...)


No its inaccurate. Humans naturally need animals. Testing is something humans should do for humans on humans. For animals on animals, as long as they don't torture either.

I'm still not even sure if eating meat is immoral as long as its not in large amounts.
Animals do not have rights. But if they did, eating it without their consent, except perhaps roadkill, would be wrong.

They should have rights and as I saw last night speciesism is just as wrong as racism.

(I wish my keyboard wasn't messing up as much cause I had another really long responce earlier but it just went away.)

I'd say animals deserve some rights... depending upon how closely their thinking and feeling match up to ours.

I wouldn't want to make a dog squeal in pain... and if I were testing LIFE SAVING meds on it... I'd say it has a right to my best efforts to make it comfortable.

Bugs... get none.... PULL THEIR LEGS OFF!!!1

fish simply don't get tortured for fun.

lizards get killed quick if possible...

mammals get nice living environments if possible (so they don't get depressed) and minimized pain....

smart mammals get left alone... Protected Even!... Except if there is an obvious way in which their disturbance can save people's lives.
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