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4/3/2015 2:07:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
It seems that 95% of opinions, polls, debates and forum topics on social issues fall under one or more of these four categories:

-Gender
-Sexuality
-Race
-Religion

This is a rather narrow range of issues IMHO. Aren't there more social issues worth discussing? Like... off the top of my head, medical patents, urban heat islands, whaling, cultural hegemony, endangered languages, how UNESCO's world heritage sites list benefits or harms heritage preservation, structural unemployment, youth unemployment, compensated dating, etc.
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4/3/2015 7:51:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 2:07:30 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
It seems that 95% of opinions, polls, debates and forum topics on social issues fall under one or more of these four categories:

-Gender
-Sexuality
-Race
-Religion

This is a rather narrow range of issues IMHO. Aren't there more social issues worth discussing? Like... off the top of my head, medical patents, urban heat islands, whaling, cultural hegemony, endangered languages, how UNESCO's world heritage sites list benefits or harms heritage preservation, structural unemployment, youth unemployment, compensated dating, etc.

I am not sure what have that stuff is so let's start with......

What is compensated dating?
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4/3/2015 7:53:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Oh, yeah. I just took 30 seconds to read an article on it. It seems that is a common thing everywhere but only recognized as some sort of phenomenon in Japan. Is it really uncommon for guys to try to impress women with their spending habits?
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4/3/2015 8:00:59 AM
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Actually I guess wikipedia doesn't do it justice. Wikipedia makes it seem like guys are spending money to impress women, but other articles are making it to be a more formal thing, such as meeting guys on the Internet and formally arranging to "date" them for cash. Basically it is escorting.
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4/3/2015 11:04:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
You're telling me. I've been spearheading the superhero debate movement for the last five years and a brother is tired.
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4/3/2015 11:24:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Compensated dating is when a girl offers, for money, dating services to a guy desperate for a date. Sometimes, there's no sex involved, but there often is. It is one of the more common forms of teen deviant behaviour here (along with drugs and premarital sex).

The issue has gotten much attention lately. The police in Hong Kong recently shut down a compensated dating site for prostitution. Then a 13-year-old (IIRC) misrepresented her age and offered services to several men, who were later arrested for having sex with an underage girl. Compensated dating is certainly a growing problem here.

At 4/3/2015 8:02:30 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
I thought compensated dating was like daylight savings or leap year....

LOL
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4/3/2015 11:25:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 2:07:30 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
It seems that 95% of opinions, polls, debates and forum topics on social issues fall under one or more of these four categories:

-Gender
-Sexuality
-Race
-Religion

This is a rather narrow range of issues IMHO. Aren't there more social issues worth discussing? Like... off the top of my head, medical patents, urban heat islands, whaling, cultural hegemony, endangered languages, how UNESCO's world heritage sites list benefits or harms heritage preservation, structural unemployment, youth unemployment, compensated dating, etc.

Start a thread on these topics! I would be happy to engage you in them. My studies right now include Black Diaspora history, Popular Culture and media so this is why I'm posting on race and society because I am getting more insight for my class to help better my insight on opposing opinions.

I'm also learning about Islamic civilizations, and the histories of the PLO movement as well as the cuban and Haitian revolutions and its connection to american foreign policy.

I would love to discuss things pertaining to urban planning and structural unemployment. I have very strong views on these things for obvious reasons. Compensated dating sounds interesting to discuss also!

Wouldn't some of these topics boil down to either race, religion, gender, or sexuality issues though?

Any who spice it up a bit don't make a post asking why we don't. Im sure everyone else will follow suit :)
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4/3/2015 11:31:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 11:04:18 AM, Maikuru wrote:
You're telling me. I've been spearheading the superhero debate movement for the last five years and a brother is tired.
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4/3/2015 11:32:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 7:51:31 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 4/3/2015 2:07:30 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
It seems that 95% of opinions, polls, debates and forum topics on social issues fall under one or more of these four categories:

-Gender
-Sexuality
-Race
-Religion

This is a rather narrow range of issues IMHO. Aren't there more social issues worth discussing? Like... off the top of my head, medical patents, urban heat islands, whaling, cultural hegemony, endangered languages, how UNESCO's world heritage sites list benefits or harms heritage preservation, structural unemployment, youth unemployment, compensated dating, etc.

I am not sure what have that stuff is so let's start with......

What is compensated dating?
When you pay someone to date you. It's most popular with underaged girls in Japan.
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4/3/2015 11:35:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 11:24:40 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
Compensated dating is when a girl offers, for money, dating services to a guy desperate for a date. Sometimes, there's no sex involved, but there often is. It is one of the more common forms of teen deviant behaviour here (along with drugs and premarital sex).

That's interesting that you would characterize it as TEEN deviant behavior as if paying people to date you was the most natural and normal thing in the world.

To be okay with having to pay someone to date you, you'd have to be indifferent to how the other person felt. That indifference is deviant. Doing stuff for money is relatively normal.
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4/3/2015 11:37:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 11:35:24 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:24:40 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
Compensated dating is when a girl offers, for money, dating services to a guy desperate for a date. Sometimes, there's no sex involved, but there often is. It is one of the more common forms of teen deviant behaviour here (along with drugs and premarital sex).

That's interesting that you would characterize it as TEEN deviant behavior as if paying people to date you was the most natural and normal thing in the world.

To be okay with having to pay someone to date you, you'd have to be indifferent to how the other person felt. That indifference is deviant. Doing stuff for money is relatively normal.

I said 'teen' deviant behaviour because it's most common among teens and people in their early twenties. I'm not saying it's not deviant behaviour when people of other ages do it.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

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4/3/2015 11:38:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 11:31:26 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:04:18 AM, Maikuru wrote:
You're telling me. I've been spearheading the superhero debate movement for the last five years and a brother is tired.



How have I never debated about him? He's on the list.
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4/3/2015 11:39:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 11:37:34 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
To be okay with having to pay someone to date you, you'd have to be indifferent to how the other person felt. That indifference is deviant. Doing stuff for money is relatively normal.

I said 'teen' deviant behaviour because it's most common among teens and people in their early twenties. I'm not saying it's not deviant behaviour when people of other ages do it.

It's not older men paying girls?
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4/3/2015 11:39:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 11:38:15 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:31:26 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:04:18 AM, Maikuru wrote:
You're telling me. I've been spearheading the superhero debate movement for the last five years and a brother is tired.



How have I never debated about him? He's on the list.

A lot of Blaxploitation satire movies get overlooked by nature, it's ok.
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4/3/2015 11:39:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 11:25:45 AM, AFism wrote:
At 4/3/2015 2:07:30 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
It seems that 95% of opinions, polls, debates and forum topics on social issues fall under one or more of these four categories:

-Gender
-Sexuality
-Race
-Religion

This is a rather narrow range of issues IMHO. Aren't there more social issues worth discussing? Like... off the top of my head, medical patents, urban heat islands, whaling, cultural hegemony, endangered languages, how UNESCO's world heritage sites list benefits or harms heritage preservation, structural unemployment, youth unemployment, compensated dating, etc.

Start a thread on these topics! I would be happy to engage you in them. My studies right now include Black Diaspora history, Popular Culture and media so this is why I'm posting on race and society because I am getting more insight for my class to help better my insight on opposing opinions.
Please don't get me wrong, I have nothing against threads about the four topic areas; it's just that I thought DDO could use more diversity. ^^
I'm also learning about Islamic civilizations, and the histories of the PLO movement as well as the cuban and Haitian revolutions and its connection to american foreign policy.
That's interesting! (I know nothing about these issues however, and while I may read your opinions on these matters, I'm not informed enough to comment on them.)
I would love to discuss things pertaining to urban planning and structural unemployment. I have very strong views on these things for obvious reasons. Compensated dating sounds interesting to discuss also!
At the risk of sounding silly, what are those obvious reasons?
Wouldn't some of these topics boil down to either race, religion, gender, or sexuality issues though?
No doubt that will happen eventually. :P
Any who spice it up a bit don't make a post asking why we don't. Im sure everyone else will follow suit :)
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
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Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
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4/3/2015 11:44:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 11:39:11 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:37:34 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
To be okay with having to pay someone to date you, you'd have to be indifferent to how the other person felt. That indifference is deviant. Doing stuff for money is relatively normal.

I said 'teen' deviant behaviour because it's most common among teens and people in their early twenties. I'm not saying it's not deviant behaviour when people of other ages do it.

It's not older men paying girls?

*facepalm*

Well, not necessarily. There are older men who pay the girls, but then there are younger ones too. Anyway, like most people here (including the educational sector, the media, etc.) I tend to look at the issue from the girl's point of view (or boy's - there have been cases of girls paying boys in recent years), and not from the point of view of the person who bought the services.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
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4/3/2015 11:44:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 11:39:57 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:25:45 AM, AFism wrote:
At 4/3/2015 2:07:30 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
It seems that 95% of opinions, polls, debates and forum topics on social issues fall under one or more of these four categories:

-Gender
-Sexuality
-Race
-Religion

This is a rather narrow range of issues IMHO. Aren't there more social issues worth discussing? Like... off the top of my head, medical patents, urban heat islands, whaling, cultural hegemony, endangered languages, how UNESCO's world heritage sites list benefits or harms heritage preservation, structural unemployment, youth unemployment, compensated dating, etc.

Start a thread on these topics! I would be happy to engage you in them. My studies right now include Black Diaspora history, Popular Culture and media so this is why I'm posting on race and society because I am getting more insight for my class to help better my insight on opposing opinions.
Please don't get me wrong, I have nothing against threads about the four topic areas; it's just that I thought DDO could use more diversity. ^^

Ahh I see!

I'm also learning about Islamic civilizations, and the histories of the PLO movement as well as the cuban and Haitian revolutions and its connection to american foreign policy.
That's interesting! (I know nothing about these issues however, and while I may read your opinions on these matters, I'm not informed enough to comment on them.)

Cool! Well I guess I'll make one in a few days :)

I would love to discuss things pertaining to urban planning and structural unemployment. I have very strong views on these things for obvious reasons. Compensated dating sounds interesting to discuss also!
At the risk of sounding silly, what are those obvious reasons?

Oh because I post on race a lot. I have studied on the correlation of race, urban planning and structural unemployment in the past also.
Wouldn't some of these topics boil down to either race, religion, gender, or sexuality issues though?
No doubt that will happen eventually. :P
Any who spice it up a bit don't make a post asking why we don't. Im sure everyone else will follow suit :)

I would love to see more serious U.N. talk too i forgot to mention.
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4/3/2015 11:49:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 11:44:19 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:39:11 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:37:34 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
To be okay with having to pay someone to date you, you'd have to be indifferent to how the other person felt. That indifference is deviant. Doing stuff for money is relatively normal.

I said 'teen' deviant behaviour because it's most common among teens and people in their early twenties. I'm not saying it's not deviant behaviour when people of other ages do it.

It's not older men paying girls?

*facepalm*

Well, not necessarily. There are older men who pay the girls, but then there are younger ones too. Anyway, like most people here (including the educational sector, the media, etc.) I tend to look at the issue from the girl's point of view (or boy's - there have been cases of girls paying boys in recent years), and not from the point of view of the person who bought the services.

Just to clarify: I'm not saying it's morally or ethically right for anyone, in any situation, to pay to receive dating services. I think, like everyone else, that the people who use these services are disgusting, morally decadent people who should be ashamed of themselves. However, it's more important to look at the issue from the perspective of the person who offers these services because they're the ones who made wrong decisions and have often faced dire consequences for doing it.

There will always be decadent rascals who demand these services, but if we can deter people from offering the services, we can curb this trend.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
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Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...
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4/3/2015 12:00:33 PM
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At 4/3/2015 11:49:23 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:44:19 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:39:11 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:37:34 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
To be okay with having to pay someone to date you, you'd have to be indifferent to how the other person felt. That indifference is deviant. Doing stuff for money is relatively normal.

I said 'teen' deviant behaviour because it's most common among teens and people in their early twenties. I'm not saying it's not deviant behaviour when people of other ages do it.

It's not older men paying girls?

*facepalm*

Well, not necessarily. There are older men who pay the girls, but then there are younger ones too. Anyway, like most people here (including the educational sector, the media, etc.) I tend to look at the issue from the girl's point of view (or boy's - there have been cases of girls paying boys in recent years), and not from the point of view of the person who bought the services.

Just to clarify: I'm not saying it's morally or ethically right for anyone, in any situation, to pay to receive dating services. I think, like everyone else, that the people who use these services are disgusting, morally decadent people who should be ashamed of themselves. However, it's more important to look at the issue from the perspective of the person who offers these services because they're the ones who made wrong decisions and have often faced dire consequences for doing it.

There will always be decadent rascals who demand these services, but if we can deter people from offering the services, we can curb this trend.

You should really make a post about this. Are you eluding to being more hard on prostitution? Or taking polices being made that regulate this phenomena more? Would you suggest job programs for people that get payed for services whether it be platonic or not? You also have to think that escorts take "donations", not necessarily salaries, that is mainly how they evade the law. Would you then exclude people who offer strictly platonic services for money from any hypothetical policy?

I'm trying to wrap my head around why you think people who purchase these services are horrible.

Not siding with any one opinion but before I insert mine, I wan't to fully understand yours.

Lol just make the thread XD!
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4/3/2015 12:27:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 12:00:33 PM, AFism wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:49:23 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:44:19 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:39:11 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:37:34 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
To be okay with having to pay someone to date you, you'd have to be indifferent to how the other person felt. That indifference is deviant. Doing stuff for money is relatively normal.

I said 'teen' deviant behaviour because it's most common among teens and people in their early twenties. I'm not saying it's not deviant behaviour when people of other ages do it.

It's not older men paying girls?

*facepalm*

Well, not necessarily. There are older men who pay the girls, but then there are younger ones too. Anyway, like most people here (including the educational sector, the media, etc.) I tend to look at the issue from the girl's point of view (or boy's - there have been cases of girls paying boys in recent years), and not from the point of view of the person who bought the services.

Just to clarify: I'm not saying it's morally or ethically right for anyone, in any situation, to pay to receive dating services. I think, like everyone else, that the people who use these services are disgusting, morally decadent people who should be ashamed of themselves. However, it's more important to look at the issue from the perspective of the person who offers these services because they're the ones who made wrong decisions and have often faced dire consequences for doing it.

There will always be decadent rascals who demand these services, but if we can deter people from offering the services, we can curb this trend.

You should really make a post about this. Are you eluding to being more hard on prostitution? Or taking polices being made that regulate this phenomena more? Would you suggest job programs for people that get payed for services whether it be platonic or not? You also have to think that escorts take "donations", not necessarily salaries, that is mainly how they evade the law. Would you then exclude people who offer strictly platonic services for money from any hypothetical policy?

I'm trying to wrap my head around why you think people who purchase these services are horrible.

Not siding with any one opinion but before I insert mine, I wan't to fully understand yours.

Lol just make the thread XD!

'Deter' was a poor word choice; I should have said 'discouraged'.

I'll make a thread tomorrow about it. ^^
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
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4/3/2015 12:33:18 PM
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At 4/3/2015 11:44:19 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
Well, not necessarily. There are older men who pay the girls, but then there are younger ones too. Anyway, like most people here (including the educational sector, the media, etc.) I tend to look at the issue from the girl's point of view (or boy's - there have been cases of girls paying boys in recent years), and not from the point of view of the person who bought the services.

I wonder if that is their perspective though? It seems more likely that they're thinking, "hey, easy money!" than "I'm deviant!" That seems more like an external perspective.
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4/3/2015 12:34:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 12:33:18 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 4/3/2015 11:44:19 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
Well, not necessarily. There are older men who pay the girls, but then there are younger ones too. Anyway, like most people here (including the educational sector, the media, etc.) I tend to look at the issue from the girl's point of view (or boy's - there have been cases of girls paying boys in recent years), and not from the point of view of the person who bought the services.

I wonder if that is their perspective though? It seems more likely that they're thinking, "hey, easy money!" than "I'm deviant!" That seems more like an external perspective.

That also applies to teens who sell drugs...
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
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4/3/2015 12:38:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 12:34:56 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
I wonder if that is their perspective though? It seems more likely that they're thinking, "hey, easy money!" than "I'm deviant!" That seems more like an external perspective.

That also applies to teens who sell drugs...

Yes, or teens who murder/torture people for cash. O.O
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4/3/2015 12:41:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2015 12:38:44 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 4/3/2015 12:34:56 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
I wonder if that is their perspective though? It seems more likely that they're thinking, "hey, easy money!" than "I'm deviant!" That seems more like an external perspective.

That also applies to teens who sell drugs...

Yes, or teens who murder/torture people for cash. O.O

LOL I don't know how to respond at this point o_0...

Though that's beyond deviant - it's evil, just saying...
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...