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Mirza
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6/1/2015 11:28:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
It is with deep disappointment that I express my thoughts on modern architecture. The superficiality of modern buildings is nearly unrivalled; their emptiness, soulless appearances, spiritually dissipating nature is no less than an insult to the artistic wonders of traditional buildings. Personally speaking, I find the contrast between the old and the new depressing; yes, that is the right word. Where I live, there are places with a lovely traditional architectural setting. The colours are deep, often dark, and the buildings come in many shapes and forms, and regardless of their shapes, they feel natural, as if nature had produced them by its own.

To illustrate my point, I shall use a few examples:

This is a medieval town in Sweden. Take a look at this particular location, and see the surroundings: https://goo.gl... Indeed, the buildings soothe the mind and spirit. They stand not in the way of nature; no, they work in harmony with one another.

Then, take a look at surroundings with modern architecture (and, mind you, this is a very mild example): https://goo.gl... It is absolutely awful. As if the outer design weren't enough to destroy your mood, the inside of these buildings is often even more atrocious. Often times it looks like this: http://goo.gl... The disease has spread to even holy buildings like churches; whereas they used to look like this: http://goo.gl... and http://goo.gl..., they now look like this: http://goo.gl...

Why would you design a church to look like a spaceship? There is absolutely nothing spiritual or meaningful in design that is entirely spared of colour, contrast, and antique type of material. Period.

The design that is plain, empty, heavily-spacey, and glassy is NOT a design that is a beautiful, meaningful, and deep artistic expression of the human mind. It is depressing, dull, and utterly meaningless. Modern architecture is an absolute disgrace, and I especially find it depressing because I get to experience the contrast that is between it and older architecture. When I am in a place with a traditional setting, with halls and corridors of colour, some darkness, artificial light that does not almost blind me, I feel at ease; I feel some fulfilment; I connect to my spirit. On the other hand, when I see modern, huge, spacey, soulless, plain-coloured, glassy buildings, I cannot help but feel severely disappointed, and disgusted to a very high level. I pray to God I will not find it necessary to work, or do anything else for a long period of time, anywhere near a building that looks like any of the atrocious examples I illustrated above.

To hell with modern architecture.
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6/1/2015 11:46:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Materials such as stone is not as abundant as things like brick, concrete, steel, and glass. Modern civilization has been forced to pursue alternate materials because housing 7 billion people with stone would be ridiculously difficult.
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6/1/2015 11:54:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/1/2015 11:46:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Materials such as stone is not as abundant as things like brick, concrete, steel, and glass. Modern civilization has been forced to pursue alternate materials because housing 7 billion people with stone would be ridiculously difficult.
Absolute nonsense. The reason why modern architecture has become what it is is due to architects attempting to be more creative than they actually are. These are people who apparently studied architecture in spite of having the creative potential of rats, and in attempt to be innovative, came up with complete backwards, dull designs that ruin every single lovely place there can be. You speak of housing - exactly where does housing become relevant when universities, banks, and everything else new and modern is designed in the most stupid fashion? Lack of stone, is it?

I blame this on individuals with an average, or below-average mind, who cannot even see how ridiculous modern architecture is, and how it even affects them (yes, to their surprise, environment does shape or feelings and thoughts); and, of course, the dumb architects, who should have pursued mathematics or chemistry and NOT a field that is supposed to be an expression of art, mind, and spirit.
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6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
"Degrees of ability vary, but the basic principle remains the same: the degree of a man"s independence, initiative and personal love for his work determines his talent as a worker and his worth as a man. Independence is the only gauge of human virtue and value. What a man is and makes of himself; not what he has or hasn"t done for others. There is no substitute for personal dignity. There is no standard of personal dignity except independence.

"In all proper relationships there is no sacrifice of anyone to anyone. An architect needs clients, but he does not subordinate his work to their wishes. They need him, but they do not order a house just to give him a commission. Men exchange their work by free, mutual consent to mutual advantage when their personal interests agree and they both desire the exchange. If they do not desire it, they are not forced to deal with each other. They seek further. This is the only possible form of relationship between equals. Anything else is a relation of slave to master, or victim to executioner.

"No work is ever done collectively, by a majority decision. Every creative job is achieved under the guidance of a single individual thought. An architect requires a great many men to erect his building. But he does not ask them to vote on his design. They work together by free agreement and each is free in his proper function. An architect uses steel, glass, concrete, produced by others. But the materials remain just so much steel, glass and concrete until he touches them. What he does with them is his individual product and his individual property. This is the only pattern for proper co-operation among men.

"The first right on earth is the right of the ego. Man"s first duty is to himself. His moral law is never to place his prime goal within the persons of others. His moral obligation is to do what he wishes, provided his wish does not depend primarily upon other men. This includes the whole sphere of his creative faculty, his thinking, his work. But it does not include the sphere of the gangster, the altruist and the dictator.

"A man thinks and works alone. A man cannot rob, exploit or rule"alone. Robbery, exploitation and ruling presuppose victims. They imply dependence. They are the province of the second-hander.

"Rulers of men are not egotists. They create nothing. They exist entirely through the persons of others. Their goal is in their subjects, in the activity of enslaving. They are as dependent as the beggar, the social worker and the bandit. The form of dependence does not matter.

"But men were taught to regard second-handers"tyrants, emperors, dictators"as exponents of egotism. By this fraud they were made to destroy the ego, themselves and others. The purpose of the fraud was to destroy the creators. Or to harness them. Which is a synonym.

"From the beginning of history, the two antagonists have stood face to face: the creator and the second-hander. When the first creator invented the wheel, the first second-hander responded. He invented altruism.

"The creator"denied, opposed, persecuted, exploited"went on, moved forward and carried all humanity along on his energy. The second-hander contributed nothing to the process except the impediments. The contest has another name: the individual against the collective.

"The "common good" of a collective"a race, a class, a state"was the claim and justification of every tyranny ever established over men. Every major horror of history was committed in the name of an altruistic motive. Has any act of selfishness ever equaled the carnage perpetrated by disciples of altruism? Does the fault lie in men"s hypocrisy or in the nature of the principle? The most dreadful butchers were the most sincere. They believed in the perfect society reached through the guillotine and the firing squad. Nobody questioned their right to murder since they were murdering for an altruistic purpose. It was accepted that man must be sacrificed for other men. Actors change, but the course of the tragedy remains the same. A humanitarian who starts with declarations of love for mankind and ends with a sea of blood. It goes on and will go on so long as men believe that an action is good if it is unselfish. That permits the altruist to act and forces his victims to bear it. The leaders of collectivist movements ask nothing for themselves. But observe the results.

"The only good which men can do to one another and the only statement of their proper relationship is"Hands off!

"Now observe the results of a society built on the principle of individualism. This, our country. The noblest country in the history of men. The country of greatest achievement, greatest prosperity, greatest freedom. This country was not based on selfless service, sacrifice, renunciation or any precept of altruism. It was based on a man"s right to the pursuit of happiness. His own happiness. Not anyone else"s. A private, personal, selfish motive. Look at the results. Look into your own conscience.

"It is an ancient conflict. Men have come close to the truth, but it was destroyed each time and one civilization fell after another. Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage"s whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.

"Now, in our age, collectivism, the rule of the second-hander and second-rater, the ancient monster, has broken loose and is running amuck. It has brought men to a level of intellectual indecency never equaled on earth. It has reached a scale of horror without precedent. It has poisoned every mind. It has swallowed most of Europe. It is engulfing our country.

"I am an architect. I know what is to come by the principle on which it is built. We are approaching a world in which I cannot permit myself to live.
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6/2/2015 1:29:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
All modern architecture? Even Frank Lloyd Wright? Even the Lincoln Center? What about organic architecture?

http://www.wright-house.com...
http://www.naturalbuildingblog.com...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com...
http://www.maquettes-papier.net...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com...
http://s3-media1.ak.yelpcdn.com...
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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6/2/2015 2:22:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
"I am an architect. I know what is to come by the principle on which it is built. We are approaching a world in which I cannot permit myself to live.
Ah, if only that fictional architect was a true representative of the modern incompetent kind. I see no individualistic expression in their modern works; I see, instead, a collective need to please everyone else, and the work being done with barely a creative touch to it.
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6/2/2015 2:23:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:29:35 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
All modern architecture? Even Frank Lloyd Wright? Even the Lincoln Center? What about organic architecture?

http://www.wright-house.com...
http://www.naturalbuildingblog.com...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com...
http://www.maquettes-papier.net...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com...
http://s3-media1.ak.yelpcdn.com...

I'm going to buy Fallingwater eventually. Mark my words.
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6/2/2015 2:25:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 1:29:35 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
All modern architecture? Even Frank Lloyd Wright? Even the Lincoln Center? What about organic architecture?
No, not all. Modern architecture, as I see it, is the angular, empty, sterile, and plain kind, which we tend to see in commercial areas, but in many other places as well. Universities, museums, dormitories, libraries - all those are now being affected by the disease of modern architecture that I find a devastating blow to our artistic affection, and natural senses.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com...
That is gorgeous indeed.
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6/2/2015 3:23:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 2:29:40 AM, Mirza wrote:
Lucky people of Edinburgh: http://studyinuk.universiablogs.net...

Personally, I love two architectual traditions above all others:

Moroccan/Moorish:
http://ocw.nur.ac.rw...
http://thegardenvisitor.co.uk...
http://hitchhikershandbook.com...
http://upload.wikimedia.org...

And Persian:
http://www.pgt.co.ir...
http://upload.wikimedia.org...
http://homesoftherich.net...
http://cdn.bartarinha.ir...
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com...
https://www.google.com...
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

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6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM
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At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

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I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)
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6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM
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At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?
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"Your idea of good writing is like Spinoza mixed with Heidegger."

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"You seem to aspire to be a cross between a Jewish hipster, an old school WASP aristocrat, and a political iconoclast"

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6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!
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6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?
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~ Thett the Mighty

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6/2/2015 5:01:03 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.
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6/2/2015 5:01:56 AM
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At 6/2/2015 5:01:03 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.
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~ Skepsikyma <3

"Your idea of good writing is like Spinoza mixed with Heidegger."

~ Dylly Dylly Cat Cat

"You seem to aspire to be a cross between a Jewish hipster, an old school WASP aristocrat, and a political iconoclast"

~ Thett the Mighty

"fvck omg ur face"

~ Liz

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~ YYW
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6/2/2015 5:03:07 AM
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At 6/2/2015 5:01:56 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:03 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...
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6/2/2015 5:07:15 AM
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At 6/2/2015 5:03:07 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:56 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:03 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...

):
"This site is trash as a debate site. It's club penguin for dysfunctional adults."

~ Skepsikyma <3

"Your idea of good writing is like Spinoza mixed with Heidegger."

~ Dylly Dylly Cat Cat

"You seem to aspire to be a cross between a Jewish hipster, an old school WASP aristocrat, and a political iconoclast"

~ Thett the Mighty

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~ Liz

"No aspect of your facial structure suggests Filipino descent."
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6/2/2015 5:08:06 AM
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At 6/2/2015 5:07:15 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:03:07 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:56 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:03 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)
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6/2/2015 5:08:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:08:06 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:07:15 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:03:07 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:56 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:03 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?
"This site is trash as a debate site. It's club penguin for dysfunctional adults."

~ Skepsikyma <3

"Your idea of good writing is like Spinoza mixed with Heidegger."

~ Dylly Dylly Cat Cat

"You seem to aspire to be a cross between a Jewish hipster, an old school WASP aristocrat, and a political iconoclast"

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6/2/2015 5:08:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:08:20 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:06 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:07:15 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:03:07 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:56 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:03 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!
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6/2/2015 5:09:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:08:45 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:20 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:06 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:07:15 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:03:07 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:56 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:03 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?
"This site is trash as a debate site. It's club penguin for dysfunctional adults."

~ Skepsikyma <3

"Your idea of good writing is like Spinoza mixed with Heidegger."

~ Dylly Dylly Cat Cat

"You seem to aspire to be a cross between a Jewish hipster, an old school WASP aristocrat, and a political iconoclast"

~ Thett the Mighty

"fvck omg ur face"

~ Liz

"No aspect of your facial structure suggests Filipino descent."
~ YYW
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6/2/2015 5:10:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:09:39 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:45 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:20 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:06 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:07:15 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:03:07 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:56 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:03 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.
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6/2/2015 5:10:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:10:11 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:09:39 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:45 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:20 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:06 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:07:15 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:03:07 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:56 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:03 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.
"This site is trash as a debate site. It's club penguin for dysfunctional adults."

~ Skepsikyma <3

"Your idea of good writing is like Spinoza mixed with Heidegger."

~ Dylly Dylly Cat Cat

"You seem to aspire to be a cross between a Jewish hipster, an old school WASP aristocrat, and a political iconoclast"

~ Thett the Mighty

"fvck omg ur face"

~ Liz

"No aspect of your facial structure suggests Filipino descent."
~ YYW
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6/2/2015 5:11:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:10:31 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:10:11 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:09:39 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:45 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:20 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:06 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:07:15 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:03:07 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:56 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:03 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...
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6/2/2015 5:12:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:11:27 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:10:31 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:10:11 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:09:39 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:45 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:20 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:06 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:07:15 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:03:07 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:56 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:03 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...

):
"This site is trash as a debate site. It's club penguin for dysfunctional adults."

~ Skepsikyma <3

"Your idea of good writing is like Spinoza mixed with Heidegger."

~ Dylly Dylly Cat Cat

"You seem to aspire to be a cross between a Jewish hipster, an old school WASP aristocrat, and a political iconoclast"

~ Thett the Mighty

"fvck omg ur face"

~ Liz

"No aspect of your facial structure suggests Filipino descent."
~ YYW
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6/2/2015 5:12:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:12:06 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:11:27 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:10:31 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:10:11 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:09:39 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:45 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:20 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:06 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:07:15 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:03:07 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:56 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:03 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)
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6/2/2015 5:13:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 6/2/2015 5:12:33 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:12:06 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:11:27 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:10:31 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:10:11 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:09:39 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:45 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:20 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:08:06 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:07:15 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:03:07 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:56 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:01:03 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 5:00:11 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:53:21 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:51:27 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:28:41 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 4:05:54 AM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 6/2/2015 3:09:04 AM, Zarroette wrote:
At 6/2/2015 1:11:42 AM, ShabShoral wrote:

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?

Yep, yep, sure thing. Until then, you're going to be one of my little play-things to poke when I get a bit bored. Enjoy!

Just to confirm: if you're the best debater on DDO, and I beat you, does that mean that I'm better than the best debater?

Lol no. That's why I plan on beating bluesteel twice: to prove it wasn't a fluke.

Ah, so I'll just have to beat you twice then. Sounds fun.

http://www.debate.org...

):

I feed on the unhappy faces of my victims :)

You realize that you'll be in exactly my position if we debate again, right?
"This site is trash as a debate site. It's club penguin for dysfunctional adults."

~ Skepsikyma <3

"Your idea of good writing is like Spinoza mixed with Heidegger."

~ Dylly Dylly Cat Cat

"You seem to aspire to be a cross between a Jewish hipster, an old school WASP aristocrat, and a political iconoclast"

~ Thett the Mighty

"fvck omg ur face"

~ Liz

"No aspect of your facial structure suggests Filipino descent."
~ YYW