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Alex
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8/10/2010 6:18:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The other day I was talking about gay guys with a friend of mine, I myself have nothing against gays but this friend brought up a good point. He said something along the lines of "A gay guy doesn't just like men, they talk, dress, and act oddly and in a lot of cases poorly."

This made me think, and realize that it's mostly true. A majority of Gay guys aren't like straight guys aside from liking men, they are in most cases entirely different mostly in the categories above ie. dress, behavior, etc.

I mean no disrespect, especially to the classy homosexuals, but I want opinions. Why doesn't being gay simply mean liking men anymore?

CJL is a good case of this.
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belle
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8/10/2010 6:23:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
why are gay men walking stereotypes to you? are all straight men beer guzzling idiots who will f*ck anything warm and moist?
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8/10/2010 6:30:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 6:18:43 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
said something along the lines of "A gay guy doesn't just like men, they talk, dress, and act oddly and in a lot of cases poorly."
This made me think, and realize that it's mostly true.

What does talking, dressing and acting "poorly" entail?

Most fairies I know are fairly snappy dressers and have the gift of the gab.

I mean no disrespect

Good luck with that, when your post implies inferiority (don't know what else you could mean by "poor").
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8/10/2010 7:00:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
You're mistaking culture and some hormone differences with everyone acting in cookie-cutter ways. If someone wants to be proud of their sexuality and so embraces the gay community, they will probably take in the culture.
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8/10/2010 7:02:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
nah, i think alex meant no disrespect. i think since he's come to this board his views have matured a lot.

but anyway, tell your friend he's wrong. not all gays act like that. they're just the ones you notice. would you have guessed charlie_danger was bisexual? he didn't seem it at all. and like belle said, you could think most straight guys were jerks.

i've met a lot of masculine gay guys and a lot of feminine straight guys. it's really just stereotyping that your friend is talking about.
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8/10/2010 7:06:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I think gay dudes do generally act different... and have a certain manner of acting.

I don't want to offend people, but...

To be honest... I think it's prolly a combination of being biologically different (in general) and prolly more like women...

and I also think lots of'em act out "flamboyantly" or whatnot b/c they were repressed when they were younger... and are more apt to have some social issues/insecurity..

also... I think when they're adults and ESPECIALLY when they move to cities where there's more gay people to hang out with they finally get a CULTURE of gayness to fit into... and many want to Embrace/Embody it and latch onto it. Again I think it's cuz they didn't fit in/were repressed when younger....

then again... I'm sure plenty of people think I'm completely full of crap... but hey!
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8/10/2010 10:58:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Clarification:

I mis-typed what i wrote when i said a majority. When i said a majority i meant that most of them talk and act differently (not that it's a bad thing) but there ARE select ones that act poorly but that's nothing different than how some straight guys are.
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8/10/2010 11:52:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 6:23:02 PM, belle wrote:
why are gay men walking stereotypes to you? are all straight men beer guzzling idiots who will f*ck anything warm and moist?

I would have been given the opportunity!
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8/11/2010 1:59:28 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
i don't think alex meant any disrespect either. this is just a good question. though it's probably unfair to say that the majority of gay men are like this - from what i've heard the common gay man in scotland sounds like he's far more masculine than most of the men on this site (not me). lol

as to why the flamboyant ones act the way they do, i'd probably agree with matt for the most part. people generally become what you make of them i think... but what do i know? maybe there'd be a lot of straight men walking around the place in scarves making those funny noises too if it weren't for the fact that we've to appear strong to pull women. in other words, maybe it's us "masculine" men who are the real pu5sies, shackled into this state of mind by our want for... pu5sies. lol

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8/11/2010 3:30:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
The reason gay guys are effeminate is quite simple - they have too much oestrogen in their system - that's what makes them homosexual.

By the way, unless you want to turn queer don't drink London Pride Bitter. That's because it's brewed using water from the Thames and the Thames is full of oestrogen discharged from the sewerage treatment farms upstream.

It's not a health hazard or anything but the oestrogen from the processed feminine hygiene products cannot be filtered out and, if consumed in sufficient quantities, can turn a normal bloke into a pooftah.
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8/11/2010 3:31:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I mean no disrespect, especially to the classy homosexuals, but I want opinions. Why doesn't being gay simply mean liking men anymore?:

There is an entire gay counter-culture. They face the same sociological pressures as anyone else does to behave in a certain manner. For the extremely flamboyant ones, it's all an act. It's a public display driven by social pressures.

You also have to remember that they are gay for a reason. There is no smoking gun on why or how homosexuality occurs, but if you'll note that many are effeminate and gravitate to women for friendship, what does that tell you about them biologically?
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8/11/2010 3:55:36 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 3:30:02 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
The reason gay guys are effeminate is quite simple - they have too much oestrogen in their system - that's what makes them homosexual.

By the way, unless you want to turn queer don't drink London Pride Bitter. That's because it's brewed using water from the Thames and the Thames is full of oestrogen discharged from the sewerage treatment farms upstream.

It's not a health hazard or anything but the oestrogen from the processed feminine hygiene products cannot be filtered out and, if consumed in sufficient quantities, can turn a normal bloke into a pooftah.

and pooftahs aren't normal blokes? nah, i'm joking with you. that's scary sh1t really.
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innomen
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8/11/2010 7:44:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
You're only seeing those that stick out like a sore thumb. They tend to cloister themselves among others in a culture that promotes that sort of manner of dress and behavior. I am fairly confident that no one here would know i was gay were you to meet me on the street (most gay guys don't even pick up that i'm gay).

Here's the big thing: Often when a guy comes out of the closet they cling to an identity of being gay. It becomes their principle identity in everything that they do and are. They are reinforced by all friends and social networks that they have, and the culture eats it up. Their entire identity is dependent on that one aspect of their life. A straight guy never really thinks about their identity being wrapped up in their sexual identity it just is who they are and there is no effort in any of it. Lots of gay guys put every ounce of energy into the effort of being a gay man and what they think that means.

To be honest, i really get irritated by the whole thing. Apparently here i am thought of as the gay guy, but elsewhere in my life, its a pretty small footnote. I would prefer to not be identified as the gay guy, but i also know that is what people do.
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8/11/2010 9:08:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 10:58:00 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
Clarification:

I mis-typed what i wrote when i said a majority. When i said a majority i meant that most of them talk and act differently (not that it's a bad thing) but there ARE select ones that act poorly but that's nothing different than how some straight guys are.

well that's more evidence that they're otherwise regular people.
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8/11/2010 10:56:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/10/2010 6:18:43 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
The other day I was talking about gay guys with a friend of mine, I myself have nothing against gays but this friend brought up a good point. He said something along the lines of "A gay guy doesn't just like men, they talk, dress, and act oddly and in a lot of cases poorly."

This made me think, and realize that it's mostly true. A majority of Gay guys aren't like straight guys aside from liking men, they are in most cases entirely different mostly in the categories above ie. dress, behavior, etc.

I mean no disrespect, especially to the classy homosexuals, but I want opinions. Why doesn't being gay simply mean liking men anymore?

CJL is a good case of this.

Yea, it's a strange one.

I think part of it is 'advertising'. A certain degree of campness advertises them to other gays.

But there is clearly something deeper to it than that, very confusing.
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8/11/2010 11:34:41 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 7:44:45 AM, innomen wrote:
Here's the big thing: Often when a guy comes out of the closet they cling to an identity of being gay. It becomes their principle identity in everything that they do and are. They are reinforced by all friends and social networks that they have, and the culture eats it up. Their entire identity is dependent on that one aspect of their life.

That's what I figured.
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8/11/2010 11:36:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 11:34:41 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/11/2010 7:44:45 AM, innomen wrote:
Here's the big thing: Often when a guy comes out of the closet they cling to an identity of being gay. It becomes their principle identity in everything that they do and are. They are reinforced by all friends and social networks that they have, and the culture eats it up. Their entire identity is dependent on that one aspect of their life.

That's what I figured.

along with some generally different biological dispositions to act more like women.
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8/11/2010 11:38:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 11:36:02 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/11/2010 11:34:41 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/11/2010 7:44:45 AM, innomen wrote:
Here's the big thing: Often when a guy comes out of the closet they cling to an identity of being gay. It becomes their principle identity in everything that they do and are. They are reinforced by all friends and social networks that they have, and the culture eats it up. Their entire identity is dependent on that one aspect of their life.

That's what I figured.

along with some generally different biological dispositions to act more like women.

There are those who are a bit 'slight' of build, and have a voice that's a bit higher and seem to have a natural flight to their walk.