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tvellalott
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8/11/2010 7:36:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
*puts up the last sandbag of his soon to be required wall of defence*
OK!
Clearly no theist is going to agree with me, but I honestly believe that Homo sapian's are just very clever monkeys that like to fvck and that Earth is completely insignificant. This is not a depressing thought to me. The Earth is nothing less than a beautiful miracle. That I am sitting at this laptop, typing this is statistical impossibility at it's finest. Ultimately there is no purpose.

The purpose of this is to see if my fellow atheists agree with me and if not, what their opinions are.
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8/11/2010 7:38:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 7:36:39 PM, tvellalott wrote:
*puts up the last sandbag of his soon to be required wall of defence*
OK!
Clearly no theist is going to agree with me, but I honestly believe that Homo sapian's are just very clever monkeys that like to fvck and that Earth is completely insignificant. This is not a depressing thought to me. The Earth is nothing less than a beautiful miracle. That I am sitting at this laptop, typing this is statistical impossibility at it's finest. Ultimately there is no purpose.

The purpose of this is to see if my fellow atheists agree with me and if not, what their opinions are.

Agree 100%. :jumps behind the wall of sandbags:
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
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8/11/2010 7:40:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 7:36:39 PM, tvellalott wrote:
*puts up the last sandbag of his soon to be required wall of defence*
OK!
Clearly no theist is going to agree with me, but I honestly believe that Homo sapian's are just very clever monkeys that like to fvck and that Earth is completely insignificant. This is not a depressing thought to me. The Earth is nothing less than a beautiful miracle. That I am sitting at this laptop, typing this is statistical impossibility at it's finest. Ultimately there is no purpose.

The purpose of this is to see if my fellow atheists agree with me and if not, what their opinions are.

Meaning behind it... no... no reason to think so.

Meaning given it.... yes.. I happen to care a lot about some things... as it seems you do too.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

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8/11/2010 7:41:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Earth is completely insignificant

not to me!
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
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8/11/2010 7:42:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 7:41:42 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
Earth is completely insignificant

not to me!

you:
The Earth is nothing less than a beautiful miracle.

and I guess not to you either.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
tvellalott
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8/11/2010 7:44:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 7:42:30 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/11/2010 7:41:42 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
Earth is completely insignificant

not to me!

you:
The Earth is nothing less than a beautiful miracle.

and I guess not to you either.

I believe both those things. A rose is beautiful but insignificant.
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mattrodstrom
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8/11/2010 7:55:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
semantics then...

I'd say if there's something which I care about it is Thereby Significant to me.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
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8/11/2010 7:57:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
also... I think Metaphysical Absolutes are silly in the first place... and I'd say the same with Ultimate meaning...

I talk about Meaning To Me
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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8/11/2010 7:57:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 7:36:39 PM, tvellalott wrote:
*puts up the last sandbag of his soon to be required wall of defence*
OK!
Clearly no theist is going to agree with me, but I honestly believe that Homo sapian's are just very clever monkeys that like to fvck and that Earth is completely insignificant. This is not a depressing thought to me. The Earth is nothing less than a beautiful miracle. That I am sitting at this laptop, typing this is statistical impossibility at it's finest. Ultimately there is no purpose.

The purpose of this is to see if my fellow atheists agree with me and if not, what their opinions are.

Nihilistic? Yeah. Existential? NO.
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8/11/2010 8:02:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 7:55:25 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
semantics then...

I'd say if there's something which I care about it is Thereby Significant to me.

It is significant to you. The rose I find beautiful is significant to insects or the person who grew it.
In the scope of space, it means nothing.
If Earth disappeared right now and all life was instantly extinguished, who would care?
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8/11/2010 8:03:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 7:57:37 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 8/11/2010 7:36:39 PM, tvellalott wrote:
*puts up the last sandbag of his soon to be required wall of defence*
OK!
Clearly no theist is going to agree with me, but I honestly believe that Homo sapian's are just very clever monkeys that like to fvck and that Earth is completely insignificant. This is not a depressing thought to me. The Earth is nothing less than a beautiful miracle. That I am sitting at this laptop, typing this is statistical impossibility at it's finest. Ultimately there is no purpose.

The purpose of this is to see if my fellow atheists agree with me and if not, what their opinions are.

Nihilistic? Yeah. Existential? NO.

I am no expert on this, but the whole "the only purpose of life is to live it" part of Existential Nihilism is exactly how I feel.
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8/11/2010 8:07:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
i'd say there's no purpose to life.

there's purpose given some forms of life... (NAMELY: humans and maybe some other mammals)

Purpose in the actions of that lifeform... Meaning to events FOR that lifeform.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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8/11/2010 8:10:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 8:07:20 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
i'd say there's no purpose to life.

there's purpose given some forms of life... (NAMELY: humans and maybe some other mammals)

Purpose in the actions of that lifeform... Meaning to events FOR that lifeform.

So you agree that life has no intrinsic meaning?
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8/11/2010 8:11:18 PM
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"In some remote corner of the universe, poured out and glittering in innumerable solar systems, there once was a star on which clever animals invented knowledge. That was the highest and most mendacious minute of 'world history'—yet only a minute. After nature had drawn a few breaths the star grew cold, and the clever animals had to die...One might invent such a fable and still not have illustrated sufficiently how wretched, how shadowy and flighty, how aimless and arbitrary, the human intellect appears in nature. There have been eternities when it did not exist; and when it is done for again, nothing will have happened. For this intellect has no further mission that would lead beyond human life...There is nothing in nature so despicable or insignificant that it cannot immediately be blown up like a bag by a slight breath of this power of knowledge; and just as every porter wants an admirer, the proudest human being, the philosopher, thinks that he sees the eyes of the universe telescopically focused from all sides on his actions and thoughts."

-- Nietzsche

Hmm....
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8/11/2010 8:11:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 8:03:34 PM, tvellalott wrote:

I am no expert on this, but the whole "the only purpose of life is to live it" part of Existential Nihilism is exactly how I feel.

This is a subjective standpoint, correct?
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8/11/2010 8:14:03 PM
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At 8/11/2010 8:11:18 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
"In some remote corner of the universe, poured out and glittering in innumerable solar systems, there once was a star on which clever animals invented knowledge. That was the highest and most mendacious minute of 'world history'—yet only a minute. After nature had drawn a few breaths the star grew cold, and the clever animals had to die...One might invent such a fable and still not have illustrated sufficiently how wretched, how shadowy and flighty, how aimless and arbitrary, the human intellect appears in nature. There have been eternities when it did not exist; and when it is done for again, nothing will have happened. For this intellect has no further mission that would lead beyond human life...There is nothing in nature so despicable or insignificant that it cannot immediately be blown up like a bag by a slight breath of this power of knowledge; and just as every porter wants an admirer, the proudest human being, the philosopher, thinks that he sees the eyes of the universe telescopically focused from all sides on his actions and thoughts."

-- Nietzsche

Hmm....

I was scared when I saw you'd replied pooka. A beautiful quote though. Thanks.
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8/11/2010 8:15:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 8:11:54 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 8/11/2010 8:03:34 PM, tvellalott wrote:

I am no expert on this, but the whole "the only purpose of life is to live it" part of Existential Nihilism is exactly how I feel.

This is a subjective standpoint, correct?

Clearly.
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8/11/2010 8:21:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 8:14:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 8/11/2010 8:11:18 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
"In some remote corner of the universe, poured out and glittering in innumerable solar systems, there once was a star on which clever animals invented knowledge. That was the highest and most mendacious minute of 'world history'—yet only a minute. After nature had drawn a few breaths the star grew cold, and the clever animals had to die...One might invent such a fable and still not have illustrated sufficiently how wretched, how shadowy and flighty, how aimless and arbitrary, the human intellect appears in nature. There have been eternities when it did not exist; and when it is done for again, nothing will have happened. For this intellect has no further mission that would lead beyond human life...There is nothing in nature so despicable or insignificant that it cannot immediately be blown up like a bag by a slight breath of this power of knowledge; and just as every porter wants an admirer, the proudest human being, the philosopher, thinks that he sees the eyes of the universe telescopically focused from all sides on his actions and thoughts."

-- Nietzsche

Hmm....

I was scared when I saw you'd replied pooka. A beautiful quote though. Thanks.

Obviously I don't agree with that viewpoint (for numerous, numerous reasons) but I find Nietzsche to be a great writer. Thought you might like it.
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8/11/2010 8:31:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 8:10:40 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 8/11/2010 8:07:20 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
i'd say there's no purpose to life.

there's purpose given some forms of life... (NAMELY: humans and maybe some other mammals)

Purpose in the actions of that lifeform... Meaning to events FOR that lifeform.

So you agree that life has no intrinsic meaning?

yeah....

I don't even much like lots of lifeforms... I swatt'em regularly.

also... I don't think there's any meaning BEYOND the perspective of those life-forms which care....

I don't believe in a conscious Universe... or a god.. to whom things might be meaningful.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
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8/11/2010 8:38:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 8:31:47 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/11/2010 8:10:40 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 8/11/2010 8:07:20 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
i'd say there's no purpose to life.

there's purpose given some forms of life... (NAMELY: humans and maybe some other mammals)

Purpose in the actions of that lifeform... Meaning to events FOR that lifeform.

So you agree that life has no intrinsic meaning?

yeah....

I don't even much like lots of lifeforms... I swatt'em regularly.

also... I don't think there's any meaning BEYOND the perspective of those life-forms which care....

I don't believe in a conscious Universe... or a god.. to whom things might be meaningful.

Then I'm utterly confused about where you stand.
Everything around me has subjective meaning. I care about stuff. I'm not a psychopath. I don't think subjective meaning is even relative to this discussion.
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8/11/2010 9:29:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/11/2010 8:38:25 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 8/11/2010 8:31:47 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 8/11/2010 8:10:40 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 8/11/2010 8:07:20 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
i'd say there's no purpose to life.

there's purpose given some forms of life... (NAMELY: humans and maybe some other mammals)

Purpose in the actions of that lifeform... Meaning to events FOR that lifeform.

So you agree that life has no intrinsic meaning?

yeah....

I don't even much like lots of lifeforms... I swatt'em regularly.

also... I don't think there's any meaning BEYOND the perspective of those life-forms which care....

I don't believe in a conscious Universe... or a god.. to whom things might be meaningful.

Then I'm utterly confused about where you stand.
Everything around me has subjective meaning. I care about stuff. I'm not a psychopath. I don't think subjective meaning is even relative to this discussion.

There is meaning... meaning to me.

things are significant... significant to me.

Am I a Nihilist... no.

I think those who affirm "higher meaning" usually discount/Deny ACTUAL meaning and thus THEY deserve to be called nihilists.

Especially people like Augustine the hippopotamus who actually converted to christianity of his own accord.

The only reason to search for "Higher" meaning is b/c you don't have/appreciate that meaning which actually exists.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
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