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Ragnar_Rahl
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8/17/2010 1:10:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The man who can't say what he means means nothing, to call him a genius is to spit at the very concept, to exercise a profound hatred for the human mind.
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8/17/2010 1:12:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Well depends on why he can't say it. If there are no words or he is deaf blind has no arms or legs then I wouldn't call him a fool.
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8/17/2010 1:41:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/17/2010 1:10:10 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The man who can't say what he means means nothing, to call him a genius is to spit at the very concept, to exercise a profound hatred for the human mind.

To play devil's advocate, what if it's like trying to explain quantam physics to a monkey? What if what the genius is saying is so profound that nobody else can understand it?
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8/17/2010 3:37:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/17/2010 1:02:53 PM, TulleKrazy wrote:
A genius who cannot explain what he means or the person who cannot understand what he says?

I think both, because if I don't know what I'm talking about, and you sit theri and listen, then we are both guilty.
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8/17/2010 3:39:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/17/2010 1:41:10 PM, TulleKrazy wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:10:10 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The man who can't say what he means means nothing, to call him a genius is to spit at the very concept, to exercise a profound hatred for the human mind.

To play devil's advocate, what if it's like trying to explain quantam physics to a monkey? What if what the genius is saying is so profound that nobody else can understand it?

The genius being who he is should know how to simplify his language. NO one pays attention to people who speak over thier heads all the time.
Cody_Franklin
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8/17/2010 3:42:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/17/2010 1:41:10 PM, TulleKrazy wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:10:10 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The man who can't say what he means means nothing, to call him a genius is to spit at the very concept, to exercise a profound hatred for the human mind.

To play devil's advocate, what if it's like trying to explain quantam physics to a monkey? What if what the genius is saying is so profound that nobody else can understand it?

The only time that someone would need to say something in a way which no one else can comprehend is when that person has something to hide - most likely the fact that the alleged "profundity" which he or she is propounding is, in reality, a complete crock of sh*t.

For example: Immanuel Kant.
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8/17/2010 3:44:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/17/2010 1:10:10 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The man who can't say what he means means nothing, to call him a genius is to spit at the very concept, to exercise a profound hatred for the human mind.

What if he's a deaf, blind, mute? o.O
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8/17/2010 3:44:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/17/2010 3:42:24 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:41:10 PM, TulleKrazy wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:10:10 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The man who can't say what he means means nothing, to call him a genius is to spit at the very concept, to exercise a profound hatred for the human mind.

To play devil's advocate, what if it's like trying to explain quantam physics to a monkey? What if what the genius is saying is so profound that nobody else can understand it?

The only time that someone would need to say something in a way which no one else can comprehend is when that person has something to hide - most likely the fact that the alleged "profundity" which he or she is propounding is, in reality, a complete crock of sh*t.

For example: Immanuel Kant.

That is to say, if a man is truly a genius, he would be able to find a means by which to simplify and explain his theories, even if they venture into the realm of something as complex as quantum physics.
Cody_Franklin
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8/17/2010 3:44:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/17/2010 3:44:01 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:10:10 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The man who can't say what he means means nothing, to call him a genius is to spit at the very concept, to exercise a profound hatred for the human mind.

What if he's a deaf, blind, mute? o.O

Like Helen Keller? She found another means, if I recall.
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8/17/2010 3:45:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/17/2010 1:12:14 PM, lovelife wrote:
Well depends on why he can't say it. If there are no words or he is deaf blind has no arms or legs then I wouldn't call him a fool.

Well he wouldn't hear you.
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8/17/2010 3:51:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/17/2010 3:45:12 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:12:14 PM, lovelife wrote:
Well depends on why he can't say it. If there are no words or he is deaf blind has no arms or legs then I wouldn't call him a fool.

Well he wouldn't hear you.

Did it say that about both of them? If person A is as I said he would not be a fool in my oppinion.
If someone just can't understand their teacher then they are a fool. (unless it is because they are blind deaf no arms etc)
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8/17/2010 3:58:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/17/2010 3:51:21 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 8/17/2010 3:45:12 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:12:14 PM, lovelife wrote:
Well depends on why he can't say it. If there are no words or he is deaf blind has no arms or legs then I wouldn't call him a fool.

Well he wouldn't hear you.

Did it say that about both of them? If person A is as I said he would not be a fool in my oppinion.
If someone just can't understand their teacher then they are a fool. (unless it is because they are blind deaf no arms etc)

Yea, salt and vinegar should be blue, cheese and onion should be green.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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8/17/2010 4:05:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/17/2010 3:58:58 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/17/2010 3:51:21 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 8/17/2010 3:45:12 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:12:14 PM, lovelife wrote:
Well depends on why he can't say it. If there are no words or he is deaf blind has no arms or legs then I wouldn't call him a fool.

Well he wouldn't hear you.

Did it say that about both of them? If person A is as I said he would not be a fool in my oppinion.
If someone just can't understand their teacher then they are a fool. (unless it is because they are blind deaf no arms etc)

Yea, salt and vinegar should be blue, cheese and onion should be green.

Not understanding what that has to do with anything....?
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Cody_Franklin
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8/17/2010 4:21:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/17/2010 3:58:58 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/17/2010 3:51:21 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 8/17/2010 3:45:12 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:12:14 PM, lovelife wrote:
Well depends on why he can't say it. If there are no words or he is deaf blind has no arms or legs then I wouldn't call him a fool.

Well he wouldn't hear you.

Did it say that about both of them? If person A is as I said he would not be a fool in my oppinion.
If someone just can't understand their teacher then they are a fool. (unless it is because they are blind deaf no arms etc)

Yea, salt and vinegar should be blue, cheese and onion should be green.

Actually, green is sour cream and onion.
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8/18/2010 4:57:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/17/2010 1:02:53 PM, TulleKrazy wrote:
A genius who cannot explain what he means or the person who cannot understand what he says?:

Depends whether or not the genius is intentionally being verbose, or whether he's so book smart that he has no idea how to express thoughts.

Some people are so right-hemishphere dominant that processing language is extremely difficult for them.
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Ragnar_Rahl
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8/18/2010 8:05:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/17/2010 1:41:10 PM, TulleKrazy wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:10:10 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The man who can't say what he means means nothing, to call him a genius is to spit at the very concept, to exercise a profound hatred for the human mind.

To play devil's advocate, what if it's like trying to explain quantam physics to a monkey?
There is a difference between not saying what you mean and saying something in perfectly coherent language to someone who doesn't get it anyway.

What if what the genius is saying is so profound that nobody else can understand it?
Then nobody else has any reason to call him a genius. His genius status remains unknown, and it remains an insult to the concept of intellect to declare it to be there.
However, there remains an error in your reasoning. Profundity does not cause incomprehensibility. It could, hypothetically, coincide, by some unfortunate accident of the universe, but it would only be an unfortunate accident, and one that actually thinking is there without evidence is indicative of a psychologically unhealthy desire to believe it.
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8/19/2010 3:54:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/18/2010 8:05:25 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:41:10 PM, TulleKrazy wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:10:10 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The man who can't say what he means means nothing, to call him a genius is to spit at the very concept, to exercise a profound hatred for the human mind.

To play devil's advocate, what if it's like trying to explain quantam physics to a monkey?
There is a difference between not saying what you mean and saying something in perfectly coherent language to someone who doesn't get it anyway.

What if what the genius is saying is so profound that nobody else can understand it?
Then nobody else has any reason to call him a genius. His genius status remains unknown, and it remains an insult to the concept of intellect to declare it to be there.
However, there remains an error in your reasoning. Profundity does not cause incomprehensibility. It could, hypothetically, coincide, by some unfortunate accident of the universe, but it would only be an unfortunate accident, and one that actually thinking is there without evidence is indicative of a psychologically unhealthy desire to believe it.

Give this man 10 points.

Your writing has improved incredibly in the time I was away btw Ragnar.
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8/19/2010 7:31:32 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Why thankee.
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8/19/2010 3:33:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/18/2010 8:05:25 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:41:10 PM, TulleKrazy wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:10:10 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
The man who can't say what he means means nothing, to call him a genius is to spit at the very concept, to exercise a profound hatred for the human mind.

To play devil's advocate, what if it's like trying to explain quantam physics to a monkey?
There is a difference between not saying what you mean and saying something in perfectly coherent language to someone who doesn't get it anyway.


Fair enough.

What if what the genius is saying is so profound that nobody else can understand it?
Then nobody else has any reason to call him a genius. His genius status remains unknown, and it remains an insult to the concept of intellect to declare it to be there.
However, there remains an error in your reasoning. Profundity does not cause incomprehensibility. It could, hypothetically, coincide, by some unfortunate accident of the universe, but it would only be an unfortunate accident, and one that actually thinking is there without evidence is indicative of a psychologically unhealthy desire to believe it.

I am unsure of what you mean by your last sentence.
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8/28/2010 12:52:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/18/2010 8:05:25 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:41:10 PM, TulleKrazy wrote:
At 8/17/2010 1:10:10 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
What if what the genius is saying is so profound that nobody else can understand it?
Then nobody else has any reason to call him a genius. His genius status remains unknown, and it remains an insult to the concept of intellect to declare it to be there.

I see what you're getting at here, but this reminds me of a quote:
"Talent hits a target no-one else can hit. Genius hits a target no-one else can see."

It is foolish to brand people we can't understand as geniuses. But it's equally foolish to brand them as the opposite. In short, you can't judge what you don't understand.