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Sadiaspeaks
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7/31/2015 8:30:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Recently, a US dentist-Walter James Palmer- killed a lion (known as Cecil) near Hwange national park. He was bombarded with death threats, and many people held protests against this atrocious act; he was forced to flee the country and go into hiding, however Zimbabwean officials intend to press severe charges against him.
Meanwhile, in America, police officers are racially profiling and killing black people on the sole basis of their skin colour, for minor crimes, and are not being punished. In fact, these officers are being rewarded with paid leave.

Where is the justice? Do we now live in a world where the life of a lion is more significant than the lives of hundreds of black people in the US who are being shot without reason?
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8/1/2015 1:00:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I agree. It seems like there was more coverage and outrage in America over one lion being killed thousands of miles away than there was for all the unarmed black victims of police brutality in our nation combined.

But people wonder why stuff like #BlackLivesMatter exists...
Df0512
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8/1/2015 3:21:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2015 8:30:34 PM, Sadiaspeaks wrote:
Recently, a US dentist-Walter James Palmer- killed a lion (known as Cecil) near Hwange national park. He was bombarded with death threats, and many people held protests against this atrocious act; he was forced to flee the country and go into hiding, however Zimbabwean officials intend to press severe charges against him.
Meanwhile, in America, police officers are racially profiling and killing black people on the sole basis of their skin colour, for minor crimes, and are not being punished. In fact, these officers are being rewarded with paid leave.

Where is the justice? Do we now live in a world where the life of a lion is more significant than the lives of hundreds of black people in the US who are being shot without reason?

I dont think anyone thinks the lions death is more significant. Its just new and sad. I think you are making some unfair comparisons here. And not all cops got away with paid leave. Some were brought up on charges.
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8/1/2015 1:29:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2015 8:30:34 PM, Sadiaspeaks wrote:
Recently, a US dentist-Walter James Palmer- killed a lion (known as Cecil) near Hwange national park. He was bombarded with death threats, and many people held protests against this atrocious act; he was forced to flee the country and go into hiding, however Zimbabwean officials intend to press severe charges against him.
Meanwhile, in America, police officers are racially profiling and killing black people on the sole basis of their skin colour, for minor crimes, and are not being punished. In fact, these officers are being rewarded with paid leave.

Where is the justice? Do we now live in a world where the life of a lion is more significant than the lives of hundreds of black people in the US who are being shot without reason?

James Palmer is a fu*king idiot, who should be revoked of his doctorate degrees, and be put in jail for the rest of his life, doing hard labor.
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8/1/2015 3:29:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Its not about one over the other. This a$$ deserves to be an example of this ridiculous behavior, just as some cases of police brutality are example cases.

There are many-many cases where cops are getting off without any scrutiny, just like there are hunts happening every day that get no coverage. These cases illustrate the problem and are useful as examples for the wider problems in each.
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8/1/2015 4:53:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2015 1:29:56 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/31/2015 8:30:34 PM, Sadiaspeaks wrote:
Recently, a US dentist-Walter James Palmer- killed a lion (known as Cecil) near Hwange national park. He was bombarded with death threats, and many people held protests against this atrocious act; he was forced to flee the country and go into hiding, however Zimbabwean officials intend to press severe charges against him.
Meanwhile, in America, police officers are racially profiling and killing black people on the sole basis of their skin colour, for minor crimes, and are not being punished. In fact, these officers are being rewarded with paid leave.

Where is the justice? Do we now live in a world where the life of a lion is more significant than the lives of hundreds of black people in the US who are being shot without reason?

James Palmer is a fu*king idiot, who should be revoked of his doctorate degrees, and be put in jail for the rest of his life, doing hard labor.

Why should his degrees or licensing be revoked. Is he not good at his job?
tajshar2k
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8/1/2015 9:10:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2015 4:53:17 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/1/2015 1:29:56 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/31/2015 8:30:34 PM, Sadiaspeaks wrote:
Recently, a US dentist-Walter James Palmer- killed a lion (known as Cecil) near Hwange national park. He was bombarded with death threats, and many people held protests against this atrocious act; he was forced to flee the country and go into hiding, however Zimbabwean officials intend to press severe charges against him.
Meanwhile, in America, police officers are racially profiling and killing black people on the sole basis of their skin colour, for minor crimes, and are not being punished. In fact, these officers are being rewarded with paid leave.

Where is the justice? Do we now live in a world where the life of a lion is more significant than the lives of hundreds of black people in the US who are being shot without reason?

James Palmer is a fu*king idiot, who should be revoked of his doctorate degrees, and be put in jail for the rest of his life, doing hard labor.

Why should his degrees or licensing be revoked. Is he not good at his job?

Can't be trusted anymore. He might just kill a dog he is treating or even another human for arguments sake.
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Wylted
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8/2/2015 1:00:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/1/2015 9:10:10 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 8/1/2015 4:53:17 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 8/1/2015 1:29:56 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 7/31/2015 8:30:34 PM, Sadiaspeaks wrote:
Recently, a US dentist-Walter James Palmer- killed a lion (known as Cecil) near Hwange national park. He was bombarded with death threats, and many people held protests against this atrocious act; he was forced to flee the country and go into hiding, however Zimbabwean officials intend to press severe charges against him.
Meanwhile, in America, police officers are racially profiling and killing black people on the sole basis of their skin colour, for minor crimes, and are not being punished. In fact, these officers are being rewarded with paid leave.

Where is the justice? Do we now live in a world where the life of a lion is more significant than the lives of hundreds of black people in the US who are being shot without reason?

James Palmer is a fu*king idiot, who should be revoked of his doctorate degrees, and be put in jail for the rest of his life, doing hard labor.

Why should his degrees or licensing be revoked. Is he not good at his job?

Can't be trusted anymore. He might just kill a dog he is treating or even another human for arguments sake.

I guess technically you could make the argument that only vegetarians should be allowed to be vets according to the same logic, but I think we can both see it's a dumb argument.

Nobody can really be trusted, but if he has a record of being a good vet, I'm not sure how the hunting expedition would imply that he can't do a good job. Or how him eating a steak or killing a cockroach wouldn't imply the same thing.
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8/2/2015 1:44:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2015 8:30:34 PM, Sadiaspeaks wrote:
Recently, a US dentist-Walter James Palmer- killed a lion (known as Cecil) near Hwange national park. He was bombarded with death threats, and many people held protests against this atrocious act; he was forced to flee the country and go into hiding, however Zimbabwean officials intend to press severe charges against him.
Meanwhile, in America, police officers are racially profiling and killing black people on the sole basis of their skin colour, for minor crimes, and are not being punished. In fact, these officers are being rewarded with paid leave.

Where is the justice? Do we now live in a world where the life of a lion is more significant than the lives of hundreds of black people in the US who are being shot without reason?

Your statement on police officers killing Blacks only because of their skin color is obviously only your own opinion. And it is a highly-biased one. If not one that smacks of racism on your behalf. Further, it simply is not even close to being the truth.

Insofar as animal rights, yes, there are always going to be people out there who indeed value the lives of animals above humans. Misanthropes; the mentally unstable, etc. It is of the same ilk as a housewife who, watching TV and seeing a news story where a house fire killed a family of four, along with their two dogs, wails, "Oh...those poor doggies!"
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8/2/2015 2:08:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2015 8:30:34 PM, Sadiaspeaks wrote:
Recently, a US dentist-Walter James Palmer- killed a lion (known as Cecil) near Hwange national park. He was bombarded with death threats, and many people held protests against this atrocious act; he was forced to flee the country and go into hiding, however Zimbabwean officials intend to press severe charges against him.
Meanwhile, in America, police officers are racially profiling and killing black people on the sole basis of their skin colour, for minor crimes, and are not being punished. In fact, these officers are being rewarded with paid leave.

Where is the justice? Do we now live in a world where the life of a lion is more significant than the lives of hundreds of black people in the US who are being shot without reason?

I sense some racism here. It is ignorant to say that only blacks are being killed by cops. Maybe you've watched too much TV? But truthfully, Americans have really skewed themselves into worrying about things that are not as important as other things. Do I think he should have killed the lion? No. It was a beautiful animal.
If he needed the meat should he have killed it? Yes.
See, that is what has happened to the current culture of America. There is very little thinking going on. Almost everyone who hates this guy also went down to the restaurant this week and had a steak or a burger or a bologna sandwich at home. All of the animals that supplied this meat were killed.
We eat meat because we instinctively understand that there is a difference between a human and an animal. Because we instinctively know this, then it is impossible to raise the animals value up to the human value. However, we can lower the human value down to the animal value. This is really what is going on here. This is why Americans gloat at the death threats toward this man. They no longer see the human value. However, they see the animal value. They have lowered the man down to the animal value. We know that this is true because if Americans really wanted to raise the animal value to the human value, they'd stop eating meat. They'd be out in the streets protesting against their parents and brothers for hunting. They swoop down on farms all over America because they butcher chickens, rabbits, and cows.
They'd shoot fishermen in the heads. They'd protest Thanksgiving.
This movement against this guy shows the value that people place on humans. It's okay though, because our government can turn all of you into vicious killers. When the time comes, and they want you to fillet humans alive, and rape women, and torture people, and run people off the land....you will do it. It won't be hard because you've already shown that you don't understand the value of human life anymore.
I personally feel sorry for the guy. Yeah, it was a stupid thing that he did. But I wonder how many of you who hate this guy have punched a nerdy kid in the face at school and then laughed about it. I wonder how many of you have secretly thought about raping or killing someone. I wonder how many of you laughed and mocked a dorky kid at school and destroyed his life. Yet where is the outcry about this? Where is the outcry about Communism and Socialism? Where is the outcry about the sex slave trade?
Where is it?!!!! I don't see it anywhere. Hypocrites.
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8/2/2015 10:43:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I think basically what happened with the Cecil thing is that some people got annoyed, because this lion was of value to the local community, there was some legal complication and some people don't like the idea of hunting lions. These people are passionate and vocal, so they whip up a storm on social media. And the next thing you know, this story is all over the papers and people are sending death threats online. Not because everyone feels so empathetic towards animals; if we did, everyone would be vegan, hunting would be totally illegal everywhere and animals would roam the streets like cows do in rural India. It's because people want something to attack. On social media it's so easy to lose sight of what one's actually saying and get lost in the excitement and frenzy of hating along with everyone else. It's like being at a huge, violent protest; people are swept up in the crowd and lose their self-awareness.
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8/3/2015 7:51:49 PM
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This is one of those stupid things you hear about. In America it's the victim Olympics. Being outraged over Cecil the lion doesn't mean you aren't outraged over abortion or police brutality or whatever the hell you think is more important.
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8/3/2015 8:26:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 7/31/2015 8:30:34 PM, Sadiaspeaks wrote:
Recently, a US dentist-Walter James Palmer- killed a lion (known as Cecil) near Hwange national park. He was bombarded with death threats, and many people held protests against this atrocious act; he was forced to flee the country and go into hiding, however Zimbabwean officials intend to press severe charges against him.
Meanwhile, in America, police officers are racially profiling and killing black people on the sole basis of their skin colour
Really? The killing is on the sole basis they are black?
, for minor crimes,
Not always, and these crimes often lead to authorized use of force, so the issue becomes bad decisions/excessive force.
and are not being punished.
True, but it is pretty hard to investigate the investigators, isn't it? And it's hard for DA's to lose trust in their investigators. And it's hard for citizens to indicts police that police their neighborhoods.
Do you have a fix in mind, or are you just going to label them racist and pretend that that is the core issue?

In fact, these officers are being rewarded with paid leave.
Do you have a problem with officers being paid while people investigate them, or would you rather I make a fraudulent complaint and have the officer lose a week's pay while the investigation is pending? You are aware it is standard procedure, right? You can thank either both the unions (cause it happens to teachers too) and the governments that approve said contracts.

Where is the justice?
I know. It's like people aren't even that mad that 3x more non-blacks are killed by police every year, either. Clearly the act of a racist society.
Do we now live in a world where the life of a lion is more significant than the lives of hundreds of black people in the US who are being shot without reason?
In 2014, about 400 black people were killed by police. Are you seriously suggesting that every one of them had no reason to be shot? How many deserved to be shot at of the 400? Any? How many of them deserved to have force be used? Any?

And, a minor crime may not be a reason to shot someone, but it is a crime and one can be arrested for it. Blame the law, not the enforcers of said law, if people are resisting arrest, fleeing, or otherwise allowing police to use force on them over minor crimes. In fact, I'm going to use this defense if I refuse to pull over when I am speeding next time and the cop tries to kill me by running me off the road. After all, speeding is a minor crime.
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