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PetersSmith
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8/23/2015 4:10:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
So, I've noticed that in our current society there has been this "numbing effect" as a result of the TV and video game violence that we are regularly exposed to. What this pretty much means is that the "fake" violence has caused "blurry lines" between "real-life" violence and the violence we regularly "watch" or "play". So, what happens is that we don't react with as much intensity as someone who hasn't been "numbed" by TV and video game violence. For example, this clip (REAL LIFE SUICIDE, DO NOT WATCH IF YOU ARE QUEASY TO THIS SUBJECT): https://www.youtube.com... is a televised suicide of Budd Dwyer. Now, chances are if you watched it you wouldn't be "shocked",you may even think it's fake, or you may have even thought it was funny. And a numb reaction would be something unheard of before the emergence of realistic graphic violence on TV. In this "Psychology Today" Article (https://www.psychologytoday.com...) Dobrin calls this the "Numbing Effect". He says that the "constant exposure to carnage from the media...numbs us to another"s distress and can lead to the dismissal or not even noticing another"s pain".

For statistics, Dobrin says "the average American child will see 200,000 violent acts and witness 16,000 murders on TV by the time they are 18. That"s bad enough, but there"s more bad news. Media violence has gotten more graphic and sadistic. Making matters even worse, most violent acts on TV go unpunished or are laughed off."

Here is the test, if you read the article, Dobrin refers to: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.... Apparently, participants who had just watched a violent movie took longer to help than participants in the other three conditions. To support this, the APA (http://www.apa.org...) says that "...exposure to media violence can desensitize people to violence in the real world and that, for some people, watching violence in the media becomes enjoyable and does not result in the anxious arousal that would be expected from seeing such imagery."

David Grossman (http://www.killology.com...) says that "young children (who are exposed to media violence) have some understanding of what it means to pretend, they are developmentally unable to distinguish clearly between fantasy and reality". This is a kind of desensitization where Grossman even says "they can't tell the difference".

So, what do you guys think about this "media violence desensitization"? Do you think this "desensitization" is becoming a problem? Have you noticed this happening to you or those around you? Do you enjoy watching ISIS's live execution videos? Did I waste my time typing this? Discuss.
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8/23/2015 5:06:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
How does this compare to the rest of the world?
My brother told me that violence is just a thing some countries deal with. In Afghanistan, mothers go "Well, I'm going to market" and grab their AK-47. It's just what they do, and I'm guessing they are just as numb to the violence of the warlords around them as we are.
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8/23/2015 6:49:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/23/2015 5:06:09 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
How does this compare to the rest of the world?
My brother told me that violence is just a thing some countries deal with. In Afghanistan, mothers go "Well, I'm going to market" and grab their AK-47. It's just what they do, and I'm guessing they are just as numb to the violence of the warlords around them as we are.

If you're actually interest in how it compares to the rest of the world, you can watch this video called "Children of Aleppo" (https://vimeo.com...), which is pretty much how numb these children are in a war-torn country (she's even carrying around a gun like it's nothing).
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8/23/2015 11:12:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/23/2015 6:49:31 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 8/23/2015 5:06:09 AM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
How does this compare to the rest of the world?
My brother told me that violence is just a thing some countries deal with. In Afghanistan, mothers go "Well, I'm going to market" and grab their AK-47. It's just what they do, and I'm guessing they are just as numb to the violence of the warlords around them as we are.

If you're actually interest in how it compares to the rest of the world, you can watch this video called "Children of Aleppo" (https://vimeo.com...), which is pretty much how numb these children are in a war-torn country (she's even carrying around a gun like it's nothing).

I'm not sure carrying around a gun would be a good indicator of that, but more how they react emotionally to violence happening in front of them.
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8/23/2015 11:20:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I think ultimately this desensitization may cause others to care less about the awful things that happen in this world, and that this is a problem.
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8/24/2015 12:00:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/23/2015 4:10:45 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
So, I've noticed that in our current society there has been this "numbing effect" as a result of the TV

Would violence on Animal Planet count( a shark killing a seal, etc)?
and video game violence that we are regularly exposed to. What this pretty much means is that the "fake" violence has caused "blurry lines" between "real-life" violence and the violence we regularly "watch" or "play". So, what happens is that we don't react with as much intensity as someone who hasn't been "numbed" by TV and video game violence. For example, this clip (REAL LIFE SUICIDE, DO NOT WATCH IF YOU ARE QUEASY TO THIS SUBJECT): https://www.youtube.com... is a televised suicide of Budd Dwyer. Now, chances are if you watched it you wouldn't be "shocked",you may even think it's fake, or you may have even thought it was funny. And a numb reaction would be something unheard of before the emergence of realistic graphic violence on TV. In this "Psychology Today" Article (https://www.psychologytoday.com...) Dobrin calls this the "Numbing Effect". He says that the "constant exposure to carnage from the media...numbs us to another"s distress and can lead to the dismissal or not even noticing another"s pain".

I'd say I'm exposed to a fair amount carnage from the media, but I don't turn a blind eye towards other's pain. If a person committed suicide right in front on me, like Budd Dwyer did in front of the all those people, I would have a strong reaction.

For statistics, Dobrin says "the average American child will see 200,000 violent acts and witness 16,000 murders on TV by the time they are 18. That[']s bad enough, but there['s] more bad news. Media violence has gotten more graphic and sadistic. Making matters even worse, most violent acts on TV go unpunished or are laughed off."

Here is the test, if you read the article, Dobrin refers to: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.... Apparently, participants who had just watched a violent movie took longer to help than participants in the other three conditions. To support this, the APA (http://www.apa.org...) says that "...exposure to media violence can desensitize people to violence in the real world and that, for some people, watching violence in the media becomes enjoyable and does not result in the anxious arousal that would be expected from seeing such imagery."

David Grossman (http://www.killology.com...) says that "young children (who are exposed to media violence) have some understanding of what it means to pretend, they are developmentally unable to distinguish clearly between fantasy and reality". This is a kind of desensitization where Grossman even says "they can't tell the difference".

So, what do you guys think about this "media violence desensitization"? Do you think this "desensitization" is becoming a problem?
Not in the community that I live in. I can't speak for other peeps in other places throughout the world.

Have you noticed this happening to you or those around you?

No, my friends and I are able "to distinguish clearly between fantasy and reality".

Do you enjoy watching ISIS's live execution videos?

I do not enjoy watching gore. It's depressing. My interests are everyday, mild car crashes, occasional UFC videos, videos where a person who talks the most smack before or during a fight loses the altercation, and "karma" videos.

Did I waste my time typing this? Discuss.
No, since no one really made a thread about this topic in this detail before to my knowledge.
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8/24/2015 12:21:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/23/2015 4:10:45 AM, PetersSmith wrote:


I think that this phenomenon is a good thing, because it will allow people to look at violence more objectively. We are so absurdly sheltered in this country that we 'break down' when exposed to graphic violence, and so our ability to deal with it on an intellectual level is crippled by emotional overload. The common shock experienced by the uninitiated when exposed to violence is, I think, much more akin to 'numbness' than the more cerebral response of a person who has been desensitized to it. To a person who is desensitized, violence can represent either a problem to be solved or an unfortunately necessary course of action instead of a stimulus for hysteria. They can weigh the costs and benefits objectively, and come to a conclusion which leads to the best results for society as a whole instead of losing themselves in individualized histrionics.
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- Hilaire Belloc -
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8/24/2015 12:35:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 8/24/2015 12:21:06 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 8/23/2015 4:10:45 AM, PetersSmith wrote:


I think that this phenomenon is a good thing, because it will allow people to look at violence more objectively. We are so absurdly sheltered in this country that we 'break down' when exposed to graphic violence, and so our ability to deal with it on an intellectual level is crippled by emotional overload. The common shock experienced by the uninitiated when exposed to violence is, I think, much more akin to 'numbness' than the more cerebral response of a person who has been desensitized to it. To a person who is desensitized, violence can represent either a problem to be solved or an unfortunately necessary course of action instead of a stimulus for hysteria. They can weigh the costs and benefits objectively, and come to a conclusion which leads to the best results for society as a whole instead of losing themselves in individualized histrionics.

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"This is the true horror of religion. It allows perfectly decent and sane people to believe by the billions, what only lunatics could believe on their own." Sam Harris
Life asked Death "Why do people love me but hate you?"
Death responded: "Because you are a beautiful lie, and I am the painful truth."