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9/20/2015 2:24:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
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Homosexuality is a choice, what else would it be? An involuntary spasm? Uh, you guys Bern watching too much (what was that movie where the aliens put little worms on people's spines to control their every move?), anyway, they have complete control over their actions, no excuses, try to debate me on this one, try.
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9/20/2015 2:10:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 2:24:22 AM, harrytruman wrote:
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Homosexuality is a choice, what else would it be? An involuntary spasm? Uh, you guys Bern watching too much (what was that movie where the aliens put little worms on people's spines to control their every move?), anyway, they have complete control over their actions, no excuses, try to debate me on this one, try.

No, it's not, and repeating falsehood does not make it the case.
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9/20/2015 2:15:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 2:24:22 AM, harrytruman wrote:
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Homosexuality is a choice, what else would it be? An involuntary spasm? Uh, you guys Bern watching too much (what was that movie where the aliens put little worms on people's spines to control their every move?), anyway, they have complete control over their actions, no excuses, try to debate me on this one, try.

Ok. I'll try to debate you on this. Hopefully we can bring a shred of intellectualism to the table, unlike your OP.

How did you come to this conclusion? Where did you find this absolute proof that homosexuals have complete control over who they are attracted to?
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9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM
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Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."
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9/20/2015 10:24:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 2:10:02 PM, YYW wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:24:22 AM, harrytruman wrote:
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Homosexuality is a choice, what else would it be? An involuntary spasm? Uh, you guys Bern watching too much (what was that movie where the aliens put little worms on people's spines to control their every move?), anyway, they have complete control over their actions, no excuses, try to debate me on this one, try.

No, it's not, and repeating falsehood does not make it the case.
No, I went through this, they aren mind controlled, they don't have airline worm things, they aren't having ceasures, end of story
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9/20/2015 10:31:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."

It's a Neuro chemical mix up which screws with gender based Neuro hormones, similar to schizophrenia, in which dopamine is screwed with, they are the same, schizophrenia is just when it hits dopamine, and gender disorder hits gender based Neuro chemicals, so of course it won't work, their studies would be like getting a schizophrenic, zapping him, saying he regressed so he's perfectly sane, then releasing him onto society as opposed to just giving him schizophrenia medication.
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9/20/2015 10:33:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 10:31:35 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."

It's a Neuro chemical mix up which screws with gender based Neuro hormones, similar to schizophrenia, in which dopamine is screwed with, they are the same, schizophrenia is just when it hits dopamine, and gender disorder hits gender based Neuro chemicals, so of course it won't work, their studies would be like getting a schizophrenic, zapping him, saying he regressed so he's perfectly sane, then releasing him onto society as opposed to just giving him schizophrenia medication.

Wait, I thought it was a choice?
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9/20/2015 10:36:22 PM
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At 9/20/2015 10:33:31 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:31:35 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."

It's a Neuro chemical mix up which screws with gender based Neuro hormones, similar to schizophrenia, in which dopamine is screwed with, they are the same, schizophrenia is just when it hits dopamine, and gender disorder hits gender based Neuro chemicals, so of course it won't work, their studies would be like getting a schizophrenic, zapping him, saying he regressed so he's perfectly sane, then releasing him onto society as opposed to just giving him schizophrenia medication.

Wait, I thought it was a choice?

It is a choice, whether or not they have disorder, not a choice, what they do about it is, you're bringing transgender people into this, I was talking about perverts who just like to be perverted, that is diferent
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9/20/2015 10:37:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 10:36:22 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:33:31 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:31:35 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."

It's a Neuro chemical mix up which screws with gender based Neuro hormones, similar to schizophrenia, in which dopamine is screwed with, they are the same, schizophrenia is just when it hits dopamine, and gender disorder hits gender based Neuro chemicals, so of course it won't work, their studies would be like getting a schizophrenic, zapping him, saying he regressed so he's perfectly sane, then releasing him onto society as opposed to just giving him schizophrenia medication.

Wait, I thought it was a choice?

It is a choice, whether or not they have disorder, not a choice, what they do about it is, you're bringing transgender people into this, I was talking about perverts who just like to be perverted, that is diferent

So...it's not a choice to be gay, but it is a choice to act gay?
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9/20/2015 10:38:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 10:37:30 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:36:22 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:33:31 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:31:35 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."

It's a Neuro chemical mix up which screws with gender based Neuro hormones, similar to schizophrenia, in which dopamine is screwed with, they are the same, schizophrenia is just when it hits dopamine, and gender disorder hits gender based Neuro chemicals, so of course it won't work, their studies would be like getting a schizophrenic, zapping him, saying he regressed so he's perfectly sane, then releasing him onto society as opposed to just giving him schizophrenia medication.

Wait, I thought it was a choice?

It is a choice, whether or not they have disorder, not a choice, what they do about it is, you're bringing transgender people into this, I was talking about perverts who just like to be perverted, that is diferent

So...it's not a choice to be gay, but it is a choice to act gay?

You can't "be" gay, it's a lifestyle, an action, transgender is different.
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9/20/2015 10:39:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 10:38:42 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:37:30 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:36:22 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:33:31 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:31:35 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."

It's a Neuro chemical mix up which screws with gender based Neuro hormones, similar to schizophrenia, in which dopamine is screwed with, they are the same, schizophrenia is just when it hits dopamine, and gender disorder hits gender based Neuro chemicals, so of course it won't work, their studies would be like getting a schizophrenic, zapping him, saying he regressed so he's perfectly sane, then releasing him onto society as opposed to just giving him schizophrenia medication.

Wait, I thought it was a choice?

It is a choice, whether or not they have disorder, not a choice, what they do about it is, you're bringing transgender people into this, I was talking about perverts who just like to be perverted, that is diferent

So...it's not a choice to be gay, but it is a choice to act gay?

You can't "be" gay, it's a lifestyle, an action, transgender is different.

So...a man who likes other men but never has sex with them is...what? Straight?
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9/20/2015 10:40:35 PM
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I'm going to make a point, first, you have homosexual (gay), then you have transgender, transgender is a mental disorder, gay is a perverted lifestyle, make sense? 9/10 the homosexuals your going to meat are just the perverts.
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9/20/2015 10:40:53 PM
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At 9/20/2015 2:24:22 AM, harrytruman wrote:
Facts
Homosexuality is a choice, what else would it be? An involuntary spasm? Uh, you guys Bern watching too much (what was that movie where the aliens put little worms on people's spines to control their every move?), anyway, they have complete control over their actions, no excuses, try to debate me on this one, try.

- Homosexual tendencies are part of the natural design, otherwise they wouldn't have existed. Homosexual acts are, obviously, a choice.
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9/20/2015 10:41:44 PM
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At 9/20/2015 2:24:22 AM, harrytruman wrote:
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Homosexuality is a choice, what else would it be? An involuntary spasm? Uh, you guys Bern watching too much (what was that movie where the aliens put little worms on people's spines to control their every move?), anyway, they have complete control over their actions, no excuses, try to debate me on this one, try.

So enlighten me as to how choosing to be a homosexual works? Since it has already been established that homosexuality is determined by one's sexual and romantic attraction to the same sex, is there a switch in the brain that we as humans can just click on to make us somehow attracted to the same sex?

At this point, it's not even a debate anymore. Anyone who still holds on the this ridiculous lie that gay people choose to be gay are either

1. Gay and in denial. Therefore repeating to yourself that you made a choice not to be gay helps you feel better about yourself.

or

2. Not very intelligent, willfully ignorant and/or extremely bigoted. Therefore believing it is a choice makes it easier for you to justify that bigotry against homosexuals.

Which one are you?
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9/20/2015 10:41:55 PM
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At 9/20/2015 10:39:52 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:38:42 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:37:30 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:36:22 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:33:31 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:31:35 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."

It's a Neuro chemical mix up which screws with gender based Neuro hormones, similar to schizophrenia, in which dopamine is screwed with, they are the same, schizophrenia is just when it hits dopamine, and gender disorder hits gender based Neuro chemicals, so of course it won't work, their studies would be like getting a schizophrenic, zapping him, saying he regressed so he's perfectly sane, then releasing him onto society as opposed to just giving him schizophrenia medication.

Wait, I thought it was a choice?

It is a choice, whether or not they have disorder, not a choice, what they do about it is, you're bringing transgender people into this, I was talking about perverts who just like to be perverted, that is diferent

So...it's not a choice to be gay, but it is a choice to act gay?

You can't "be" gay, it's a lifestyle, an action, transgender is different.

So...a man who likes other men but never has sex with them is...what? Straight?
Yep, sometimes I feel like punching people in the face, you won't find me actually doing it
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9/20/2015 10:43:41 PM
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At 9/20/2015 10:41:55 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:39:52 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:38:42 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:37:30 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:36:22 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:33:31 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:31:35 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."

It's a Neuro chemical mix up which screws with gender based Neuro hormones, similar to schizophrenia, in which dopamine is screwed with, they are the same, schizophrenia is just when it hits dopamine, and gender disorder hits gender based Neuro chemicals, so of course it won't work, their studies would be like getting a schizophrenic, zapping him, saying he regressed so he's perfectly sane, then releasing him onto society as opposed to just giving him schizophrenia medication.

Wait, I thought it was a choice?

It is a choice, whether or not they have disorder, not a choice, what they do about it is, you're bringing transgender people into this, I was talking about perverts who just like to be perverted, that is diferent

So...it's not a choice to be gay, but it is a choice to act gay?

You can't "be" gay, it's a lifestyle, an action, transgender is different.

So...a man who likes other men but never has sex with them is...what? Straight?
Yep, sometimes I feel like punching people in the face, you won't find me actually doing it

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9/20/2015 10:44:40 PM
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At 9/20/2015 10:33:31 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:31:35 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."

It's a Neuro chemical mix up which screws with gender based Neuro hormones, similar to schizophrenia, in which dopamine is screwed with, they are the same, schizophrenia is just when it hits dopamine, and gender disorder hits gender based Neuro chemicals, so of course it won't work, their studies would be like getting a schizophrenic, zapping him, saying he regressed so he's perfectly sane, then releasing him onto society as opposed to just giving him schizophrenia medication.

Wait, I thought it was a choice?

Right, he can't even be consistent in his own position. First it's a choice, now it's a result of some made up "chemical mix up" ?
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9/20/2015 10:45:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 10:41:44 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:24:22 AM, harrytruman wrote:
Facts
Homosexuality is a choice, what else would it be? An involuntary spasm? Uh, you guys Bern watching too much (what was that movie where the aliens put little worms on people's spines to control their every move?), anyway, they have complete control over their actions, no excuses, try to debate me on this one, try.

So enlighten me as to how choosing to be a homosexual works? Since it has already been established that homosexuality is determined by one's sexual and romantic attraction to the same sex, is there a switch in the brain that we as humans can just click on to make us somehow attracted to the same sex?

At this point, it's not even a debate anymore. Anyone who still holds on the this ridiculous lie that gay people choose to be gay are either

1. Gay and in denial. Therefore repeating to yourself that you made a choice not to be gay helps you feel better about yourself.

or

2. Not very intelligent, willfully ignorant and/or extremely bigoted. Therefore believing it is a choice makes it easier for you to justify that bigotry against homosexuals.

Which one are you?
Here's how it works:
Someone decides to be a pervert, goes out and finds himself another pervert, does some stuff with him, then he gets "hooked" (yes as in drugs, it is a preference), then that guy lives his life being a pervert.
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9/20/2015 10:46:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 10:44:40 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:33:31 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:31:35 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."

It's a Neuro chemical mix up which screws with gender based Neuro hormones, similar to schizophrenia, in which dopamine is screwed with, they are the same, schizophrenia is just when it hits dopamine, and gender disorder hits gender based Neuro chemicals, so of course it won't work, their studies would be like getting a schizophrenic, zapping him, saying he regressed so he's perfectly sane, then releasing him onto society as opposed to just giving him schizophrenia medication.

Wait, I thought it was a choice?

Right, he can't even be consistent in his own position. First it's a choice, now it's a result of some made up "chemical mix up" ?

Two kinds of homosexuals, I was talking about the perverts initially, then he wanted to talk about transgenders, so I answered his reply.
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9/20/2015 10:50:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 10:45:12 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:41:44 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:24:22 AM, harrytruman wrote:
Facts
Homosexuality is a choice, what else would it be? An involuntary spasm? Uh, you guys Bern watching too much (what was that movie where the aliens put little worms on people's spines to control their every move?), anyway, they have complete control over their actions, no excuses, try to debate me on this one, try.

So enlighten me as to how choosing to be a homosexual works? Since it has already been established that homosexuality is determined by one's sexual and romantic attraction to the same sex, is there a switch in the brain that we as humans can just click on to make us somehow attracted to the same sex?

At this point, it's not even a debate anymore. Anyone who still holds on the this ridiculous lie that gay people choose to be gay are either

1. Gay and in denial. Therefore repeating to yourself that you made a choice not to be gay helps you feel better about yourself.

or

2. Not very intelligent, willfully ignorant and/or extremely bigoted. Therefore believing it is a choice makes it easier for you to justify that bigotry against homosexuals.

Which one are you?
Here's how it works:
Someone decides to be a pervert, goes out and finds himself another pervert, does some stuff with him, then he gets "hooked" (yes as in drugs, it is a preference), then that guy lives his life being a pervert.

So wait, is it a choice or is it an addiction? In another post you said it was a "chemical mix up." You aren't even making sense or being consistent in your position. Firstly, make up your mind, educate yourself, and be ready to support your ridiculous claims with actual valid evidence.
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9/20/2015 10:50:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 10:46:40 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:44:40 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:33:31 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:31:35 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."

It's a Neuro chemical mix up which screws with gender based Neuro hormones, similar to schizophrenia, in which dopamine is screwed with, they are the same, schizophrenia is just when it hits dopamine, and gender disorder hits gender based Neuro chemicals, so of course it won't work, their studies would be like getting a schizophrenic, zapping him, saying he regressed so he's perfectly sane, then releasing him onto society as opposed to just giving him schizophrenia medication.

Wait, I thought it was a choice?

Right, he can't even be consistent in his own position. First it's a choice, now it's a result of some made up "chemical mix up" ?

Two kinds of homosexuals, I was talking about the perverts initially, then he wanted to talk about transgenders, so I answered his reply.

There are no "two kinds of homosexuals" you literally just made that up. Are there two kinds of heterosexuals too? Where is the evidence to support your claims?
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9/20/2015 10:52:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 10:50:20 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:45:12 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:41:44 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:24:22 AM, harrytruman wrote:
Facts
Homosexuality is a choice, what else would it be? An involuntary spasm? Uh, you guys Bern watching too much (what was that movie where the aliens put little worms on people's spines to control their every move?), anyway, they have complete control over their actions, no excuses, try to debate me on this one, try.

So enlighten me as to how choosing to be a homosexual works? Since it has already been established that homosexuality is determined by one's sexual and romantic attraction to the same sex, is there a switch in the brain that we as humans can just click on to make us somehow attracted to the same sex?

At this point, it's not even a debate anymore. Anyone who still holds on the this ridiculous lie that gay people choose to be gay are either

1. Gay and in denial. Therefore repeating to yourself that you made a choice not to be gay helps you feel better about yourself.

or

2. Not very intelligent, willfully ignorant and/or extremely bigoted. Therefore believing it is a choice makes it easier for you to justify that bigotry against homosexuals.

Which one are you?
Here's how it works:
Someone decides to be a pervert, goes out and finds himself another pervert, does some stuff with him, then he gets "hooked" (yes as in drugs, it is a preference), then that guy lives his life being a pervert.

So wait, is it a choice or is it an addiction? In another post you said it was a "chemical mix up." You aren't even making sense or being consistent in your position. Firstly, make up your mind, educate yourself, and be ready to support your ridiculous claims with actual valid evidence.
Both, first, second, third time it a choice, after that it begins to become less of a choice, the chemical mix up is for transgenders, I was talking about the other group.
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9/20/2015 10:53:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 10:50:30 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:46:40 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:44:40 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:33:31 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:31:35 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."

It's a Neuro chemical mix up which screws with gender based Neuro hormones, similar to schizophrenia, in which dopamine is screwed with, they are the same, schizophrenia is just when it hits dopamine, and gender disorder hits gender based Neuro chemicals, so of course it won't work, their studies would be like getting a schizophrenic, zapping him, saying he regressed so he's perfectly sane, then releasing him onto society as opposed to just giving him schizophrenia medication.

Wait, I thought it was a choice?

Right, he can't even be consistent in his own position. First it's a choice, now it's a result of some made up "chemical mix up" ?

Two kinds of homosexuals, I was talking about the perverts initially, then he wanted to talk about transgenders, so I answered his reply.

There are no "two kinds of homosexuals" you literally just made that up. Are there two kinds of heterosexuals too? Where is the evidence to support your claims?
Here's the deal, you got the guys with which it is an addiction, then the guys who are transgender, mentally ill,
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9/20/2015 10:58:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 10:24:52 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:10:02 PM, YYW wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:24:22 AM, harrytruman wrote:
Facts
Homosexuality is a choice, what else would it be? An involuntary spasm? Uh, you guys Bern watching too much (what was that movie where the aliens put little worms on people's spines to control their every move?), anyway, they have complete control over their actions, no excuses, try to debate me on this one, try.

No, it's not, and repeating falsehood does not make it the case.
No, I went through this, they aren mind controlled, they don't have airline worm things, they aren't having ceasures, end of story

Do you understand what the meaning of the word "choice" is?
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9/20/2015 11:01:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 10:52:36 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:50:20 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:45:12 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:41:44 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:24:22 AM, harrytruman wrote:
Facts
Homosexuality is a choice, what else would it be? An involuntary spasm? Uh, you guys Bern watching too much (what was that movie where the aliens put little worms on people's spines to control their every move?), anyway, they have complete control over their actions, no excuses, try to debate me on this one, try.

So enlighten me as to how choosing to be a homosexual works? Since it has already been established that homosexuality is determined by one's sexual and romantic attraction to the same sex, is there a switch in the brain that we as humans can just click on to make us somehow attracted to the same sex?

At this point, it's not even a debate anymore. Anyone who still holds on the this ridiculous lie that gay people choose to be gay are either

1. Gay and in denial. Therefore repeating to yourself that you made a choice not to be gay helps you feel better about yourself.

or

2. Not very intelligent, willfully ignorant and/or extremely bigoted. Therefore believing it is a choice makes it easier for you to justify that bigotry against homosexuals.

Which one are you?
Here's how it works:
Someone decides to be a pervert, goes out and finds himself another pervert, does some stuff with him, then he gets "hooked" (yes as in drugs, it is a preference), then that guy lives his life being a pervert.

So wait, is it a choice or is it an addiction? In another post you said it was a "chemical mix up." You aren't even making sense or being consistent in your position. Firstly, make up your mind, educate yourself, and be ready to support your ridiculous claims with actual valid evidence.
Both, first, second, third time it a choice, after that it begins to become less of a choice, the chemical mix up is for transgenders, I was talking about the other group.

Again where is the evidence to support your claims?
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9/20/2015 11:01:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 10:53:54 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:50:30 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:46:40 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:44:40 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:33:31 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:31:35 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."

It's a Neuro chemical mix up which screws with gender based Neuro hormones, similar to schizophrenia, in which dopamine is screwed with, they are the same, schizophrenia is just when it hits dopamine, and gender disorder hits gender based Neuro chemicals, so of course it won't work, their studies would be like getting a schizophrenic, zapping him, saying he regressed so he's perfectly sane, then releasing him onto society as opposed to just giving him schizophrenia medication.

Wait, I thought it was a choice?

Right, he can't even be consistent in his own position. First it's a choice, now it's a result of some made up "chemical mix up" ?

Two kinds of homosexuals, I was talking about the perverts initially, then he wanted to talk about transgenders, so I answered his reply.

There are no "two kinds of homosexuals" you literally just made that up. Are there two kinds of heterosexuals too? Where is the evidence to support your claims?
Here's the deal, you got the guys with which it is an addiction, then the guys who are transgender, mentally ill,

Being transgender has nothing to do with homosexuality. So again, where is the evidence?
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9/20/2015 11:07:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 10:58:58 PM, YYW wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:24:52 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:10:02 PM, YYW wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:24:22 AM, harrytruman wrote:
Facts
Homosexuality is a choice, what else would it be? An involuntary spasm? Uh, you guys Bern watching too much (what was that movie where the aliens put little worms on people's spines to control their every move?), anyway, they have complete control over their actions, no excuses, try to debate me on this one, try.

No, it's not, and repeating falsehood does not make it the case.
No, I went through this, they aren mind controlled, they don't have airline worm things, they aren't having ceasures, end of story

Do you understand what the meaning of the word "choice" is?
Choose what they do, choose who they marry the end.
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9/20/2015 11:08:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 11:01:46 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:52:36 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:50:20 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:45:12 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:41:44 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:24:22 AM, harrytruman wrote:
Facts
Homosexuality is a choice, what else would it be? An involuntary spasm? Uh, you guys Bern watching too much (what was that movie where the aliens put little worms on people's spines to control their every move?), anyway, they have complete control over their actions, no excuses, try to debate me on this one, try.

So enlighten me as to how choosing to be a homosexual works? Since it has already been established that homosexuality is determined by one's sexual and romantic attraction to the same sex, is there a switch in the brain that we as humans can just click on to make us somehow attracted to the same sex?

At this point, it's not even a debate anymore. Anyone who still holds on the this ridiculous lie that gay people choose to be gay are either

1. Gay and in denial. Therefore repeating to yourself that you made a choice not to be gay helps you feel better about yourself.

or

2. Not very intelligent, willfully ignorant and/or extremely bigoted. Therefore believing it is a choice makes it easier for you to justify that bigotry against homosexuals.

Which one are you?
Here's how it works:
Someone decides to be a pervert, goes out and finds himself another pervert, does some stuff with him, then he gets "hooked" (yes as in drugs, it is a preference), then that guy lives his life being a pervert.

So wait, is it a choice or is it an addiction? In another post you said it was a "chemical mix up." You aren't even making sense or being consistent in your position. Firstly, make up your mind, educate yourself, and be ready to support your ridiculous claims with actual valid evidence.
Both, first, second, third time it a choice, after that it begins to become less of a choice, the chemical mix up is for transgenders, I was talking about the other group.

Again where is the evidence to support your claims?
I would go over it again, but I'd be a waste of time, I'd simply beating a dead horse.
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9/20/2015 11:09:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 11:01:50 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:53:54 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:50:30 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:46:40 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:44:40 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:33:31 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:31:35 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:52:34 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."

It's a Neuro chemical mix up which screws with gender based Neuro hormones, similar to schizophrenia, in which dopamine is screwed with, they are the same, schizophrenia is just when it hits dopamine, and gender disorder hits gender based Neuro chemicals, so of course it won't work, their studies would be like getting a schizophrenic, zapping him, saying he regressed so he's perfectly sane, then releasing him onto society as opposed to just giving him schizophrenia medication.

Wait, I thought it was a choice?

Right, he can't even be consistent in his own position. First it's a choice, now it's a result of some made up "chemical mix up" ?

Two kinds of homosexuals, I was talking about the perverts initially, then he wanted to talk about transgenders, so I answered his reply.

There are no "two kinds of homosexuals" you literally just made that up. Are there two kinds of heterosexuals too? Where is the evidence to support your claims?
Here's the deal, you got the guys with which it is an addiction, then the guys who are transgender, mentally ill,

Being transgender has nothing to do with homosexuality. So again, where is the evidence?
Then why were you going on a rant about transgender rather than homosexuals?
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9/20/2015 11:15:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 9/20/2015 11:08:52 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 11:01:46 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:52:36 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:50:20 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:45:12 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 9/20/2015 10:41:44 PM, briantheliberal wrote:
At 9/20/2015 2:24:22 AM, harrytruman wrote:
Facts
Homosexuality is a choice, what else would it be? An involuntary spasm? Uh, you guys Bern watching too much (what was that movie where the aliens put little worms on people's spines to control their every move?), anyway, they have complete control over their actions, no excuses, try to debate me on this one, try.

So enlighten me as to how choosing to be a homosexual works? Since it has already been established that homosexuality is determined by one's sexual and romantic attraction to the same sex, is there a switch in the brain that we as humans can just click on to make us somehow attracted to the same sex?

At this point, it's not even a debate anymore. Anyone who still holds on the this ridiculous lie that gay people choose to be gay are either

1. Gay and in denial. Therefore repeating to yourself that you made a choice not to be gay helps you feel better about yourself.

or

2. Not very intelligent, willfully ignorant and/or extremely bigoted. Therefore believing it is a choice makes it easier for you to justify that bigotry against homosexuals.

Which one are you?
Here's how it works:
Someone decides to be a pervert, goes out and finds himself another pervert, does some stuff with him, then he gets "hooked" (yes as in drugs, it is a preference), then that guy lives his life being a pervert.

So wait, is it a choice or is it an addiction? In another post you said it was a "chemical mix up." You aren't even making sense or being consistent in your position. Firstly, make up your mind, educate yourself, and be ready to support your ridiculous claims with actual valid evidence.
Both, first, second, third time it a choice, after that it begins to become less of a choice, the chemical mix up is for transgenders, I was talking about the other group.

Again where is the evidence to support your claims?
I would go over it again, but I'd be a waste of time, I'd simply beating a dead horse.

I didn't ask you to go over anything, I asked for evidence to support your claims. Evidence being a valid, scholarly article or report from a valid news outlet about a study regarding the information your provided. If you cannot find evidence to support your claims, they aren't true.