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lovelife
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9/12/2010 2:50:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
For anti-gays what do you believe? Is it a disease/illness? If so how far do you believe it is? Do ou believe they need to be "fixed" or "cured"?
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9/12/2010 2:51:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 2:50:41 PM, lovelife wrote:
For anti-gays what do you believe? Is it a disease/illness? If so how far do you believe it is? Do ou believe they need to be "fixed" or "cured"?

Opps, I created one also, and I typed a lot, perhaps we can redirect this to that one? Thanks and sorry.
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9/12/2010 2:54:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Homosexuality can be observed in nature and is genetic [http://www.livescience.com...].

However, arguing that it should be cured in spite of this is opening the doorway to some nasty stuff. much as I hate to invoke Godwins Law, sterilisation is often misusing genetics. To stop homosexuality you have to stop homosexual reeding, which ain't gonna happen anyway. And then the rest of the human population because every would be carrying some part of the 'gay' gene.
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9/12/2010 2:55:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 2:51:57 PM, Brendan21 wrote:
At 9/12/2010 2:50:41 PM, lovelife wrote:
For anti-gays what do you believe? Is it a disease/illness? If so how far do you believe it is? Do ou believe they need to be "fixed" or "cured"?

Opps, I created one also, and I typed a lot, perhaps we can redirect this to that one? Thanks and sorry.

3 posts > 1, c/p what you wrote here.
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9/12/2010 2:56:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
True, this is from the other one.

I've noticed people have many opinions about this here on DDO. Please share and discuss them here, though I'm sure this isn't the first thread about this topic. I personally believe that the majority of homosexuals are born that way, and don't choose to be gay. I have a very close gay friend, and I've discussed homosexuality with him a lot, and he believes he was born gay. As for the people that choose homosexuality, who cares? It's their choice and they aren't hurting anyone.
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9/12/2010 2:57:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 2:50:41 PM, lovelife wrote:
For anti-gays what do you believe? Is it a disease/illness? If so how far do you believe it is? Do ou believe they need to be "fixed" or "cured"?

I don't really know - nobody does - but it seems to me to be down to nurture rather than nature - what we called "mummies boys" or "pansies" or Jessies" when I was at primary school were the boys that were very close to their mothers and I suspect (though I don't know) that they developed into homosexuals.
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9/12/2010 2:57:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 2:56:25 PM, Brendan21 wrote:
True, this is from the other one.

I've noticed people have many opinions about this here on DDO. Please share and discuss them here, though I'm sure this isn't the first thread about this topic. I personally believe that the majority of homosexuals are born that way, and don't choose to be gay. I have a very close gay friend, and I've discussed homosexuality with him a lot, and he believes he was born gay. As for the people that choose homosexuality, who cares? It's their choice and they aren't hurting anyone.

Evidence pl0x.
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9/12/2010 2:58:54 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 2:57:35 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 9/12/2010 2:50:41 PM, lovelife wrote:
For anti-gays what do you believe? Is it a disease/illness? If so how far do you believe it is? Do ou believe they need to be "fixed" or "cured"?

I don't really know - nobody does - but it seems to me to be down to nurture rather than nature - what we called "mummies boys" or "pansies" or Jessies" when I was at primary school were the boys that were very close to their mothers and I suspect (though I don't know) that they developed into homosexuals.

Care to explain why then mothers with one gay child don't raise all their kids gay?
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Mirza
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9/12/2010 3:00:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 2:58:54 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Care to explain why then mothers with one gay child don't raise all their kids gay?
One child may be distant to his father, other may not. One may be socialized with other males and be like them (heterosexual), one may stick to the side of his mother. There are many things. I think statistics will say 90%+ of gays not having good relationships with fathers, at least earlier in their lives (first years).
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9/12/2010 3:07:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:04:06 PM, Mirza wrote:
It is not a choice regardless. It just is not purely natural at all.

Who gives an elephant's left tit if it's natural? Medicine isn't natural, lets all burn down the hospitals right?
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9/12/2010 3:09:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:04:06 PM, Mirza wrote:
It is not a choice regardless. It just is not purely natural at all.

Hmm, maybe, I now that I think I about it, I realize that my gay friend didn't grow up seeing his dad very often (his parents got divorced). Interesting...I need to think about this more...
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9/12/2010 3:09:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:07:05 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:04:06 PM, Mirza wrote:
It is not a choice regardless. It just is not purely natural at all.

Who gives an elephant's left tit if it's natural? Medicine isn't natural, lets all burn down the hospitals right?
That is irrelevant. What I am saying is that there is nothing to suggest that homosexuality is caused only in the womb, rather than after birth, too.
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9/12/2010 3:09:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:09:07 PM, Brendan21 wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:04:06 PM, Mirza wrote:
It is not a choice regardless. It just is not purely natural at all.

Hmm, maybe, I now that I think I about it, I realize that my gay friend didn't grow up seeing his dad very often (his parents got divorced). Interesting...I need to think about this more...

Your friend isn't evidence.
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9/12/2010 3:10:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:09:07 PM, Brendan21 wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:04:06 PM, Mirza wrote:
It is not a choice regardless. It just is not purely natural at all.

Hmm, maybe, I now that I think I about it, I realize that my gay friend didn't grow up seeing his dad very often (his parents got divorced). Interesting...I need to think about this more...
Yes, it is an interesting observation.
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9/12/2010 3:10:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:09:49 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:09:07 PM, Brendan21 wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:04:06 PM, Mirza wrote:
It is not a choice regardless. It just is not purely natural at all.

Hmm, maybe, I now that I think I about it, I realize that my gay friend didn't grow up seeing his dad very often (his parents got divorced). Interesting...I need to think about this more...

Your friend isn't evidence.
Then ask most homosexual men.
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9/12/2010 3:11:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 2:57:35 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 9/12/2010 2:50:41 PM, lovelife wrote:
For anti-gays what do you believe? Is it a disease/illness? If so how far do you believe it is? Do ou believe they need to be "fixed" or "cured"?

I don't really know - nobody does - but it seems to me to be down to nurture rather than nature - what we called "mummies boys" or "pansies" or Jessies" when I was at primary school were the boys that were very close to their mothers and I suspect (though I don't know) that they developed into homosexuals.

Lol my 5 year old brother is definately a mommy's boy. I also believe he and his older brother are gay, possibly with each other....there may be somthing to that after all.

So would it be your opinion that homosexuals should not marry/adopt?
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9/12/2010 3:12:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:09:44 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:07:05 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:04:06 PM, Mirza wrote:
It is not a choice regardless. It just is not purely natural at all.

Who gives an elephant's left tit if it's natural? Medicine isn't natural, lets all burn down the hospitals right?
That is irrelevant. What I am saying is that there is nothing to suggest that homosexuality is caused only in the womb, rather than after birth, too.

As a woman has more children, the womb is more adept at feminising the foetus as it sees it as a foreign object, and thus with successive children there is better chance of a child being gay.
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9/12/2010 3:12:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:09:44 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:07:05 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:04:06 PM, Mirza wrote:
It is not a choice regardless. It just is not purely natural at all.

Who gives an elephant's left tit if it's natural? Medicine isn't natural, lets all burn down the hospitals right?
That is irrelevant. What I am saying is that there is nothing to suggest that homosexuality is caused only in the womb, rather than after birth, too.

I think its about 85% nature 15% nurture, or something along those lines.
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9/12/2010 3:13:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:11:34 PM, lovelife wrote:
Lol my 5 year old brother is definately a mommy's boy. I also believe he and his older brother are gay, possibly with each other....there may be somthing to that after all.

So would it be your opinion that homosexuals should not marry/adopt?
I am generally against adoption. I see it as something different to how most people see it, so no.
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9/12/2010 3:13:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:10:40 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:09:49 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:09:07 PM, Brendan21 wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:04:06 PM, Mirza wrote:
It is not a choice regardless. It just is not purely natural at all.

Hmm, maybe, I now that I think I about it, I realize that my gay friend didn't grow up seeing his dad very often (his parents got divorced). Interesting...I need to think about this more...

Your friend isn't evidence.
Then ask most homosexual men.

Still not empirical. We need to look at genetics, no backstories. IF 93% of gay men had ice cream on their 6th birthdays, does that mean children who have ice cream on their 6th birthdays will turn out gay?
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9/12/2010 3:14:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:12:04 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
As a woman has more children, the womb is more adept at feminising the foetus as it sees it as a foreign object, and thus with successive children there is better chance of a child being gay.
That is a very weak observation. There are many children who have no brothers or sisters whatsoever who are gay. The observation of father-son relations is far stronger. You can ind out for yourself.
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9/12/2010 3:15:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:12:04 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:09:44 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:07:05 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:04:06 PM, Mirza wrote:
It is not a choice regardless. It just is not purely natural at all.

Who gives an elephant's left tit if it's natural? Medicine isn't natural, lets all burn down the hospitals right?
That is irrelevant. What I am saying is that there is nothing to suggest that homosexuality is caused only in the womb, rather than after birth, too.

As a woman has more children, the womb is more adept at feminising the foetus as it sees it as a foreign object, and thus with successive children there is better chance of a child being gay.

I heard about that. http://www.cracked.com...
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9/12/2010 3:15:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:13:04 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:11:34 PM, lovelife wrote:
Lol my 5 year old brother is definately a mommy's boy. I also believe he and his older brother are gay, possibly with each other....there may be somthing to that after all.

So would it be your opinion that homosexuals should not marry/adopt?
I am generally against adoption. I see it as something different to how most people see it, so no.

Eh, there is no evidence to suggest gay parents are less capable than heterosexual parents. The only apparent negatives is exposure to homophobia.

How can you not support laws which increase adoption if you don't support abortion?
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9/12/2010 3:15:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:13:04 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:11:34 PM, lovelife wrote:
Lol my 5 year old brother is definately a mommy's boy. I also believe he and his older brother are gay, possibly with each other....there may be somthing to that after all.

So would it be your opinion that homosexuals should not marry/adopt?
I am generally against adoption. I see it as something different to how most people see it, so no.

What about marriage?
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9/12/2010 3:16:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:14:34 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:12:04 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
As a woman has more children, the womb is more adept at feminising the foetus as it sees it as a foreign object, and thus with successive children there is better chance of a child being gay.
That is a very weak observation. There are many children who have no brothers or sisters whatsoever who are gay. The observation of father-son relations is far stronger. You can ind out for yourself.

That's called an anomaly. As LL posted http://www.cracked.com...
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9/12/2010 3:16:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:13:04 PM, Mirza wrote:

I am generally against adoption. I see it as something different to how most people see it, so no.

What are your views on adoption? I'm curious now.
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9/12/2010 3:16:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:13:19 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Still not empirical. We need to look at genetics, no backstories. IF 93% of gay men had ice cream on their 6th birthdays, does that mean children who have ice cream on their 6th birthdays will turn out gay?
Irrelevant. If we look at biological studies, we may see gay men having brains similar to those of straight women. Now, what does this mean? That they are automatically gay? No. If two brothers grow up under the same environment(with a mother), but have different brain structures, then it can simply mean that the one with the "feminine" brain may adapt easier than the other brother, hence nature made it easier for him to adapt, but did not cause it entirely by itself.
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9/12/2010 3:18:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 9/12/2010 3:13:04 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/12/2010 3:11:34 PM, lovelife wrote:
Lol my 5 year old brother is definately a mommy's boy. I also believe he and his older brother are gay, possibly with each other....there may be somthing to that after all.

So would it be your opinion that homosexuals should not marry/adopt?
I am generally against adoption. I see it as something different to how most people see it, so no.

What do you see? I think adoption is a wonderful thing for people that can provide a loving environment and care for chilren that don't have a family or have a broken family. I think those that can adopt should be straight, gay, bi, whatever, married, single, dating, whatever.
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