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10/28/2015 8:12:10 PM
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No.
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11/8/2015 10:58:32 PM
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No, it shouldn't be legal.
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11/8/2015 10:59:37 PM
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At 11/8/2015 10:58:32 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
No, it shouldn't be legal.

Hello, you've been kicked out of the Conservative party. Please mail in your license. GG.
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11/8/2015 11:02:43 PM
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At 11/8/2015 10:59:37 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 11/8/2015 10:58:32 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
No, it shouldn't be legal.

Hello, you've been kicked out of the Conservative party. Please mail in your license. GG.

Lol... Good one. But really, I think it's *more* conservative (by theory) to be against the DP.
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11/8/2015 11:05:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/8/2015 10:59:37 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:

Besides, my stance is religious, not political. :)
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11/8/2015 11:06:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/8/2015 11:05:00 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 11/8/2015 10:59:37 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:

Besides, my stance is religious, not political. :)

As long as you can justify any religious position secularly in terms of making it legal or not (separation of church and state), that's fine.
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11/8/2015 11:14:20 PM
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At 11/8/2015 11:06:21 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 11/8/2015 11:05:00 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 11/8/2015 10:59:37 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:

Besides, my stance is religious, not political. :)

As long as you can justify any religious position secularly in terms of making it legal or not (separation of church and state), that's fine.

nac :)
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11/9/2015 7:14:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 8:18:14 AM, logical-master123 wrote:
should it?

My country actually legalized the death penalty recently, I honestly wouldn't be an advocate for it, but there are obvious improvements crime wise that have been seen after they changed the law.

Then again, it is a developing country, in first world countries honestly, you're better off without it.
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11/9/2015 7:30:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 8:18:14 AM, logical-master123 wrote:
should it?

Waste of money, should be reserved for only those who are a threat to others even in the highest security prisons.
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11/12/2015 1:52:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 10/28/2015 8:18:14 AM, logical-master123 wrote:
should it?

In what country. Every country is evolved to a different level. The USA is an enigma though. It has it's wonderful constitution and bill of rights but they execute, I think, the second most each year, after the godless communist nation of China. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Canada had it's last execution in 1962. Saudi Arabia likes to be an example for ISIS, by beheading people in public. The big question is.... What do you kill people for? In Saudi Arabia and China, it's for much less than in the U.S. Does that make the U.S. more moral? In China they execute Falun Gong, innocent meditation practitioners and political prisoners and then send the bill for the bullet to their families. That DOES make the Chinese government immoral, at least in my mind. Canadians, along with their allies used to execute soldiers for running away from the hellish battles in WWI. Who wouldn't want to run away. That was cruel. Canada is much more evolved today. My father used to say to me. " Son, if you are willing to pull the lever or the trigger yourself then it's ok to believe in capital punishment but if not, then don't support it. Good advice.
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11/12/2015 2:15:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Yes, it should be legal. The process in the US needs to be changed and it should probably be reserved for only very serious offenses but I would hate to see it abolished.
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11/12/2015 2:26:26 AM
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There are a few reasons I think it should not be practiced at all.

1. It costs too much money. Not only do are the drugs we use obscure and expensive, court costs also are hundreds of thousands of dollars per case.

2. It's blind retribution. If you really want to "punish" someone, giving them an easy death (or even a botched one that drags out a while) is far more "forgiving" than having someone sit in a jail cell for the rest of their lives. In a world where we don't put certain criminals to death, there's a possibility that they suffer the effects of being in prison for many years, and maybe eventually feel remorse. The realization of what they did would be far worse than any death penalty.
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11/12/2015 2:27:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/12/2015 2:26:26 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
There are a few reasons I think it should not be practiced at all.

1. It costs too much money. Not only do are the drugs we use obscure and expensive, court costs also are hundreds of thousands of dollars per case.

2. It's blind retribution. If you really want to "punish" someone, giving them an easy death (or even a botched one that drags out a while) is far more "forgiving" than having someone sit in a jail cell for the rest of their lives. In a world where we don't put certain criminals to death, there's a possibility that they suffer the effects of being in prison for many years, and maybe eventually feel remorse. The realization of what they did would be far worse than any death penalty.

And I would really like to be able to understand the thought processes of criminals and even terrorists. How can we do that if we put them to death?
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11/12/2015 2:35:54 AM
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At 10/28/2015 8:18:14 AM, logical-master123 wrote:
should it?

No.
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11/12/2015 2:41:06 AM
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I believe it can be a greater punishment to keep someone behind bars for life, as log as prison life is not too pleasant for them. The Creator said "Though shalt not kill". What does Christian USA say? Kill or not Kill? Are you vengeful killers or do you follow the laws of your God?
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11/12/2015 12:01:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/12/2015 2:27:57 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/12/2015 2:26:26 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
There are a few reasons I think it should not be practiced at all.

1. It costs too much money. Not only do are the drugs we use obscure and expensive, court costs also are hundreds of thousands of dollars per case.

And what about the costs associated with food and medical help for violent unrepentant killers that hurt guards or other prisoners?
And, the court case cost are largely irrelevant, as an appeal is an appeal. I don't see why a death row's automatic appeal is any more expensive than anyone else's appeal.

2. It's blind retribution. If you really want to "punish" someone, giving them an easy death (or even a botched one that drags out a while) is far more "forgiving" than having someone sit in a jail cell for the rest of their lives. In a world where we don't put certain criminals to death, there's a possibility that they suffer the effects of being in prison for many years, and maybe eventually feel remorse. The realization of what they did would be far worse than any death penalty.

Why is retribution inherently a bad thing? Your argument is basically punishment, and want more suffering. Why is that better?

And I would really like to be able to understand the thought processes of criminals and even terrorists. How can we do that if we put them to death?

First, people are on death row for years, if not decades. There is time to analyze.
However, why would you believe anything they say? Besides, the thought processes are fairly easy to understand, unless they are crazy or demented, and, again, why should you trust what they say?
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11/12/2015 3:04:14 PM
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At 11/12/2015 12:01:24 PM, Khaos_Mage wrote:
At 11/12/2015 2:27:57 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 11/12/2015 2:26:26 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
There are a few reasons I think it should not be practiced at all.

1. It costs too much money. Not only do are the drugs we use obscure and expensive, court costs also are hundreds of thousands of dollars per case.

And what about the costs associated with food and medical help for violent unrepentant killers that hurt guards or other prisoners?
And, the court case cost are largely irrelevant, as an appeal is an appeal. I don't see why a death row's automatic appeal is any more expensive than anyone else's appeal.

Their cases last longer.

2. It's blind retribution. If you really want to "punish" someone, giving them an easy death (or even a botched one that drags out a while) is far more "forgiving" than having someone sit in a jail cell for the rest of their lives. In a world where we don't put certain criminals to death, there's a possibility that they suffer the effects of being in prison for many years, and maybe eventually feel remorse. The realization of what they did would be far worse than any death penalty.

Why is retribution inherently a bad thing? Your argument is basically punishment, and want more suffering. Why is that better?

I'm not in favor of setting out for the most retribution possible. Personally, I'm of the opinion that penal systems ought to favor rehabilitation. But, many people who want the DP want it for retribution, and that's my counter to it.

And I would really like to be able to understand the thought processes of criminals and even terrorists. How can we do that if we put them to death?

First, people are on death row for years, if not decades. There is time to analyze.
However, why would you believe anything they say? Besides, the thought processes are fairly easy to understand, unless they are crazy or demented, and, again, why should you trust what they say?

Some people are. And their processes might be noted, but to say we who do not make a living from studying psychology actually understand people who commit mass crimes is a huge overestimation of our abilities.
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11/25/2015 2:15:18 PM
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I'm against, but for which country do you speak ? If the wrong is really strong, spend all your lifetime in prison is really worse than be killed instantly. The anger of people against terrorists, for example, make often them say: " we should kill them !". But, to my mind, that's not a answer....
Well, if we broad our reflexion, some mistakes could be made by the justice... Do you can bring the deads back to life ?
I'm ready to hear the other arguments, and if we look to the United states, a democratic country who has legalized the death penalty, the justice is well....
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11/25/2015 4:51:22 PM
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At 10/28/2015 8:18:14 AM, logical-master123 wrote:
should it?

No... It has no real positive aspects, and a number of negatives. No good.
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11/25/2015 6:02:35 PM
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Why is the death penalty is government sanctioned killing but inprisonment isn't government sanctioned kidnapping?
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11/25/2015 7:06:04 PM
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At 11/12/2015 2:15:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
Yes, it should be legal. The process in the US needs to be changed and it should probably be reserved for only very serious offenses but I would hate to see it abolished.

I feel conservatives are wrong to believe it should be legal... :/
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11/25/2015 9:10:31 PM
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At 11/25/2015 7:06:04 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 11/12/2015 2:15:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
Yes, it should be legal. The process in the US needs to be changed and it should probably be reserved for only very serious offenses but I would hate to see it abolished.

I feel conservatives are wrong to believe it should be legal... :/

Why?
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"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

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11/25/2015 10:58:31 PM
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At 11/25/2015 9:10:31 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 11/25/2015 7:06:04 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 11/12/2015 2:15:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
Yes, it should be legal. The process in the US needs to be changed and it should probably be reserved for only very serious offenses but I would hate to see it abolished.

I feel conservatives are wrong to believe it should be legal... :/

Why?

It's really not a deterrent, it's inhumane, and it's killing.... I don't know, I just feel there's a lot wrong with the DP, mainly on religious grounds.
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11/25/2015 11:05:03 PM
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At 11/25/2015 10:58:31 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 11/25/2015 9:10:31 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 11/25/2015 7:06:04 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 11/12/2015 2:15:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
Yes, it should be legal. The process in the US needs to be changed and it should probably be reserved for only very serious offenses but I would hate to see it abolished.

I feel conservatives are wrong to believe it should be legal... :/

Why?

It's really not a deterrent, it's inhumane, and it's killing.... I don't know, I just feel there's a lot wrong with the DP, mainly on religious grounds.

I think it's a strong deterrent especially if its a public execution. Also I think it's inhumane for the criminal to miser someone. Plus if the death penalty is killing isn't the prison sentence is kidnapping? I'm a strong Christian and I think the Bible is for the death penalty.
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

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11/25/2015 11:07:21 PM
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At 11/25/2015 11:05:03 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 11/25/2015 10:58:31 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 11/25/2015 9:10:31 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 11/25/2015 7:06:04 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 11/12/2015 2:15:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
Yes, it should be legal. The process in the US needs to be changed and it should probably be reserved for only very serious offenses but I would hate to see it abolished.

I feel conservatives are wrong to believe it should be legal... :/

Why?

It's really not a deterrent, it's inhumane, and it's killing.... I don't know, I just feel there's a lot wrong with the DP, mainly on religious grounds.

I think it's a strong deterrent especially if its a public execution. Also I think it's inhumane for the criminal to miser someone. Plus if the death penalty is killing isn't the prison sentence is kidnapping? I'm a strong Christian and I think the Bible is for the death penalty.

Yeah, it's a complex issue in the Bible.
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"I eat glue." -- brontoraptor
"I mean, at this rate, I'd argue for a ham sandwich presidency." -- ResponsiblyIrresponsible
"Overthrow Assad, heil jihad." -- 16kadams when trolling in hangout
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11/26/2015 12:03:50 AM
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At 11/25/2015 11:05:03 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 11/25/2015 10:58:31 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 11/25/2015 9:10:31 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 11/25/2015 7:06:04 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 11/12/2015 2:15:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
Yes, it should be legal. The process in the US needs to be changed and it should probably be reserved for only very serious offenses but I would hate to see it abolished.

I feel conservatives are wrong to believe it should be legal... :/

Why?

It's really not a deterrent, it's inhumane, and it's killing.... I don't know, I just feel there's a lot wrong with the DP, mainly on religious grounds.

I think it's a strong deterrent especially if its a public execution.

Proper application of the death penalty would almost certainly have a deterrent effect. I don't really think the system in the US has much of a deterrent effect, and to the extent that it does it's only because criminals don't really know how the system works lol.

Also I think it's inhumane for the criminal to miser someone. Plus if the death penalty is killing isn't the prison sentence is kidnapping? I'm a strong Christian and I think the Bible is for the death penalty.
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11/26/2015 12:28:30 AM
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At 11/26/2015 12:03:50 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 11/25/2015 11:05:03 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 11/25/2015 10:58:31 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 11/25/2015 9:10:31 PM, Maccabee wrote:
At 11/25/2015 7:06:04 PM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 11/12/2015 2:15:33 AM, thett3 wrote:
Yes, it should be legal. The process in the US needs to be changed and it should probably be reserved for only very serious offenses but I would hate to see it abolished.

I feel conservatives are wrong to believe it should be legal... :/

Why?

It's really not a deterrent, it's inhumane, and it's killing.... I don't know, I just feel there's a lot wrong with the DP, mainly on religious grounds.

I think it's a strong deterrent especially if its a public execution.

Proper application of the death penalty would almost certainly have a deterrent effect. I don't really think the system in the US has much of a deterrent effect, and to the extent that it does it's only because criminals don't really know how the system works lol.

That I agree with. It's not the punishment, but its the system.
Also I think it's inhumane for the criminal to miser* someone. Plus if the death penalty is killing isn't the prison sentence is kidnapping? I'm a strong Christian and I think the Bible is for the death penalty.

Murder*
Scripture, facts, stats, and logic is how I argue

Evolutionism is a religion, not science

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.

"If guns are the cause of crimes then aren't matches the cause of arson?" D. Boys

"If the death penalty is government sanctioned killing then isn't inprisonment is government sanction kidnapping?" D. B

"Why do you trust the government with machine guns but not honest citizens?" D. B

All those who are pro-death (abortion) is already born