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11/2/2015 9:21:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
This is mostly for non-americans. 100% of all US people I've asked said they'd, even if he was unarmed, shoot him repeatedly in the head with a shotgun.

Would you kill a burglar armed with a handgun?

Here in the UK we're allowed to use "reasonable force", which would be, if he head a knife, to also use a knife to severely wound or kill him. Then there is "disproportionate force" which we can use: using a gun against a burglar with a knife, or kill him quite violently (push him out of a window). Then there is grossly disproportionate: with the intent of killing, or if you kill an unconscious or severely wounded/incapacitated burglar. For example, if he was unconscious and you slit his neck.

Would you kill a burglar armed with a handgun?
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11/5/2015 4:33:31 AM
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I would kill an unarmed burglar. I live In Florida. I love that we can shoot and kill scum of the earth.
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11/5/2015 4:39:42 AM
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If there was an invader in my house and he was armed I would shoot to kill without warning. I don't see why anyone wouldn't. I wouldn't want to have to kill him, but an armed robber is a danger to my life and the life of people I care about, and I'm not risking getting into a gunfight with him and losing just because I wanted to give him a warning...he made his choice. Invade someones house with a gun and you sign your own death warrant in my opinion

Unarmed robber I probably wouldn't shoot them
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11/5/2015 5:17:45 AM
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Here is what I would do honest to god.

I would ask him if he would wanted to rob houses together. It is really hard to find good contacts in the criminal underground, so I would just consider it networking.
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11/5/2015 3:23:25 PM
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I'm an American, but I'd try to kill armed or unarmed. If I can easily overpower an unarmed intruder, I may just torture them for a while, then kill them. I wouldn't even call the cops, I'd just get rid of the body. Nobody could ever place him in my house, unless the forensics team just had pure luck on their side.
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11/5/2015 3:53:06 PM
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I would avoid direct confrontation if possible. Probably start with a scare tactic if circumstances allowed. But if that doesn't work I'm shooting to kill.

When things escalate to the point of firearms use, life and death are the terms you're working with. I'd prefer not to kill them, but if it came down to it, I would.
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11/5/2015 6:29:30 PM
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At 11/5/2015 5:17:45 AM, BlackFlags wrote:
Here is what I would do honest to god.

I would ask him if he would wanted to rob houses together. It is really hard to find good contacts in the criminal underground, so I would just consider it networking.

^This
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11/5/2015 11:28:55 PM
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At 11/5/2015 5:17:45 AM, BlackFlags wrote:
Here is what I would do honest to god.

I would ask him if he would wanted to rob houses together. It is really hard to find good contacts in the criminal underground, so I would just consider it networking.

OMG yes!

Hey, where are you? We should rob houses together.
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11/11/2015 7:46:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/2/2015 9:21:15 PM, smelisox wrote:
This is mostly for non-americans. 100% of all US people I've asked said they'd, even if he was unarmed, shoot him repeatedly in the head with a shotgun.

Would you kill a burglar armed with a handgun?

Here in the UK we're allowed to use "reasonable force", which would be, if he head a knife, to also use a knife to severely wound or kill him. Then there is "disproportionate force" which we can use: using a gun against a burglar with a knife, or kill him quite violently (push him out of a window). Then there is grossly disproportionate: with the intent of killing, or if you kill an unconscious or severely wounded/incapacitated burglar. For example, if he was unconscious and you slit his neck.


Would you kill a burglar armed with a handgun?

If I thought he was threatening me I would have to but ideally I'd avoid confrontation.
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11/12/2015 1:49:00 PM
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This is mostly for non-americans. 100% of all US people I've asked said they'd, even if he was unarmed, shoot him repeatedly in the head with a shotgun.

Would you kill a burglar armed with a handgun?

Quickly.


Here in the UK we're allowed to use "reasonable force", which would be, if he head a knife, to also use a knife to severely wound or kill him.

So you are supposed to fight fair with the person whom has already abandon the law? Why would you ever voluntarily get into an altercation with some one whom has violated the law, is armed, and be expected to fight on their level? That is absurd on any level. It would be like stating that because a robber robbed a bank by use of intimidation and coercion (I will beat you up if you don't empty the register), the police can then only use intimidation and coercion to arrest him.

Then there is "disproportionate force" which we can use: using a gun against a burglar with a knife, or kill him quite violently (push him out of a window). Then there is grossly disproportionate: with the intent of killing, or if you kill an unconscious or severely wounded/incapacitated burglar. For example, if he was unconscious and you slit his neck.

I am not attempting to asses the health of some one whom I seem to have incapacitated through their negligence of breaking the law.
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11/17/2015 3:23:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/13/2015 6:55:19 PM, smelisox wrote:
And this is why there are daily school shootings kids

They're not daily. They're not even weekly. They're not even bi-monthly.
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11/20/2015 4:38:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/5/2015 5:17:45 AM, BlackFlags wrote:
Here is what I would do honest to god.

I would ask him if he would wanted to rob houses together. It is really hard to find good contacts in the criminal underground, so I would just consider it networking.

Damn right.

Networking at its finest.
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11/21/2015 3:07:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 11/2/2015 9:21:15 PM, smelisox wrote:
This is mostly for non-americans. 100% of all US people I've asked said they'd, even if he was unarmed, shoot him repeatedly in the head with a shotgun.

Would you kill a burglar armed with a handgun?

Here in the UK we're allowed to use "reasonable force", which would be, if he head a knife, to also use a knife to severely wound or kill him. Then there is "disproportionate force" which we can use: using a gun against a burglar with a knife, or kill him quite violently (push him out of a window). Then there is grossly disproportionate: with the intent of killing, or if you kill an unconscious or severely wounded/incapacitated burglar. For example, if he was unconscious and you slit his neck.


Would you kill a burglar armed with a handgun?

Armed burglar then yes,

unarmed, I would just point the gun, and chase him out. If he comes at me, then I might shoot.
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11/27/2015 12:34:40 PM
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I would tell me wife there is someone here to see her. If he hurts her. I might then shoot him .
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11/28/2015 12:46:57 AM
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The moment he breaks into my house he has forfeit his right to live. The moment I know he's armed forfeits his chance to live if I see him. I will shoot or beat him until he stops whatever he was doing and either run or fall to the ground.
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11/30/2015 3:35:10 PM
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At 11/5/2015 4:39:42 AM, thett3 wrote:
If there was an invader in my house and he was armed I would shoot to kill without warning. I don't see why anyone wouldn't. I wouldn't want to have to kill him, but an armed robber is a danger to my life and the life of people I care about, and I'm not risking getting into a gunfight with him and losing just because I wanted to give him a warning...he made his choice. Invade someones house with a gun and you sign your own death warrant in my opinion

Unarmed robber I probably wouldn't shoot them

This.
But if they came at me while unarmed with the intent to harm me, I would open fire.
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12/1/2015 12:40:33 AM
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Life is not something that you have the choice of taking. Life is precious and should be protected under all circumstances.

With that said, you have to be rational. If there is a burglar robbing others and breaking into peoples' homes, to shoot them or at least get them captured would be a service to both yourself and the community.

If they are armed, they are dead. No questions, no hesitation. If I see a lethal weapon, or a weapon at all, whether it is a crowbar or a knife, they are dead.

If there is no weapon, which is highly unlikely, as to break into most people's homes you need some form of weapon to pry the door or window open, then I would try to be diplomatic. With our current criminal justice system, you could get sent to prison or be sued for shooting someone who didn't pose a threat to you but was trying to steal from you. I would most likely point my gun at the man or woman and force them on the ground, and then I would call the police.

But, if the individual has a weapon, like I said previously, I will empty my entire magazine into their chest. My life and well being is more important to me than that of a thief who cannot comprehend the basic human right to property.
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12/7/2015 8:58:50 PM
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At 11/2/2015 9:21:15 PM, smelisox wrote:
This is mostly for non-americans. 100% of all US people I've asked said they'd, even if he was unarmed, shoot him repeatedly in the head with a shotgun.

Would you kill a burglar armed with a handgun?

Here in the UK we're allowed to use "reasonable force", which would be, if he head a knife, to also use a knife to severely wound or kill him. Then there is "disproportionate force" which we can use: using a gun against a burglar with a knife, or kill him quite violently (push him out of a window). Then there is grossly disproportionate: with the intent of killing, or if you kill an unconscious or severely wounded/incapacitated burglar. For example, if he was unconscious and you slit his neck.


Would you kill a burglar armed with a handgun?

If I had a certain chance of killing him and not screwing up and getting myself killed, I would kill the armed burglar.
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12/8/2015 11:46:47 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 11/5/2015 3:23:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
I'm an American, but I'd try to kill armed or unarmed. If I can easily overpower an unarmed intruder, I may just torture them for a while, then kill them.

I've thought about situations where I'd torture an armed intruder if one broke into my house, mostly because of the show Dexter. I think it'd be interesting to experience the raw power and control that one would feel in that kind of situation. I've got multiple machetes but my roommate has a Mossberg 500 chainsaw among other guns, so hopefully I'd get to him before my roommate blows him in half.
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12/8/2015 12:24:35 PM
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At 12/1/2015 12:40:33 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
Life is not something that you have the choice of taking. Life is precious and should be protected under all circumstances.

With that said, you have to be rational. If there is a burglar robbing others and breaking into peoples' homes, to shoot them or at least get them captured would be a service to both yourself and the community.

If they are armed, they are dead. No questions, no hesitation. If I see a lethal weapon, or a weapon at all, whether it is a crowbar or a knife, they are dead.

If there is no weapon, which is highly unlikely, as to break into most people's homes you need some form of weapon to pry the door or window open, then I would try to be diplomatic. With our current criminal justice system, you could get sent to prison or be sued for shooting someone who didn't pose a threat to you but was trying to steal from you. I would most likely point my gun at the man or woman and force them on the ground, and then I would call the police.

But, if the individual has a weapon, like I said previously, I will empty my entire magazine into their chest. My life and well being is more important to me than that of a thief who cannot comprehend the basic human right to property.

His company collapsed because of rich capitalists getting too many debts. His wife could not get treatment for her cancer, as they no longer had any income, and died. Ending up on the streets, to avoid anything happening to his 3 year old daughter, he gave her up for adoption, for her own sake. He then spent a month either waking up at 6 AM getting chased out of where he was sleeping or 3 AM getting raped.

He gets desperate, and finds a knife in a bin. He decides that he'll rob someone, and give all the money to his daughter so that she can lead a better life. He breaks into your house. As he tries to explain and say he'll leave, throwing his knife to the floor, you take a 20 bullet gun and shoot every single one of them in his chest. As he writhes on the floor, he knows the cycle will repeat.
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12/8/2015 3:05:36 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/8/2015 12:24:35 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 12/1/2015 12:40:33 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
Life is not something that you have the choice of taking. Life is precious and should be protected under all circumstances.

With that said, you have to be rational. If there is a burglar robbing others and breaking into peoples' homes, to shoot them or at least get them captured would be a service to both yourself and the community.

If they are armed, they are dead. No questions, no hesitation. If I see a lethal weapon, or a weapon at all, whether it is a crowbar or a knife, they are dead.

If there is no weapon, which is highly unlikely, as to break into most people's homes you need some form of weapon to pry the door or window open, then I would try to be diplomatic. With our current criminal justice system, you could get sent to prison or be sued for shooting someone who didn't pose a threat to you but was trying to steal from you. I would most likely point my gun at the man or woman and force them on the ground, and then I would call the police.

But, if the individual has a weapon, like I said previously, I will empty my entire magazine into their chest. My life and well being is more important to me than that of a thief who cannot comprehend the basic human right to property.

His company collapsed because of rich capitalists getting too many debts. His wife could not get treatment for her cancer, as they no longer had any income, and died. Ending up on the streets, to avoid anything happening to his 3 year old daughter, he gave her up for adoption, for her own sake. He then spent a month either waking up at 6 AM getting chased out of where he was sleeping or 3 AM getting raped.

He gets desperate, and finds a knife in a bin. He decides that he'll rob someone, and give all the money to his daughter so that she can lead a better life. He breaks into your house. As he tries to explain and say he'll leave, throwing his knife to the floor, you take a 20 bullet gun and shoot every single one of them in his chest. As he writhes on the floor, he knows the cycle will repeat.

Then I'd let him go, but I still would call the police. There is no excuse for theft.
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12/8/2015 10:26:38 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 11/2/2015 9:21:15 PM, smelisox wrote:
Would you kill a burglar armed with a handgun?

No, I would put my hands up and suck politely.
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12/8/2015 10:43:48 PM
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At 12/8/2015 11:46:47 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 11/5/2015 3:23:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
I'm an American, but I'd try to kill armed or unarmed. If I can easily overpower an unarmed intruder, I may just torture them for a while, then kill them.

I've thought about situations where I'd torture an armed intruder if one broke into my house, mostly because of the show Dexter. I think it'd be interesting to experience the raw power and control that one would feel in that kind of situation. I've got multiple machetes but my roommate has a Mossberg 500 chainsaw among other guns, so hopefully I'd get to him before my roommate blows him in half.

I have a baby in the house since I posted that. I'd be even more ruthless now. I'm extremely protective.
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12/9/2015 12:16:33 AM
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At 12/8/2015 10:43:48 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/8/2015 11:46:47 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 11/5/2015 3:23:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
I'm an American, but I'd try to kill armed or unarmed. If I can easily overpower an unarmed intruder, I may just torture them for a while, then kill them.

I've thought about situations where I'd torture an armed intruder if one broke into my house, mostly because of the show Dexter. I think it'd be interesting to experience the raw power and control that one would feel in that kind of situation. I've got multiple machetes but my roommate has a Mossberg 500 chainsaw among other guns, so hopefully I'd get to him before my roommate blows him in half.

I have a baby in the house since I posted that. I'd be even more ruthless now. I'm extremely protective.

I'd be too.
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12/9/2015 6:10:35 AM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/8/2015 10:43:48 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/8/2015 11:46:47 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 11/5/2015 3:23:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
I'm an American, but I'd try to kill armed or unarmed. If I can easily overpower an unarmed intruder, I may just torture them for a while, then kill them.

I've thought about situations where I'd torture an armed intruder if one broke into my house, mostly because of the show Dexter. I think it'd be interesting to experience the raw power and control that one would feel in that kind of situation. I've got multiple machetes but my roommate has a Mossberg 500 chainsaw among other guns, so hopefully I'd get to him before my roommate blows him in half.

I have a baby in the house since I posted that. I'd be even more ruthless now. I'm extremely protective.

I wonder how the child will be raised if you start murdering people.
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12/9/2015 12:41:07 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/8/2015 12:24:35 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 12/1/2015 12:40:33 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
Life is not something that you have the choice of taking. Life is precious and should be protected under all circumstances.

With that said, you have to be rational. If there is a burglar robbing others and breaking into peoples' homes, to shoot them or at least get them captured would be a service to both yourself and the community.

If they are armed, they are dead. No questions, no hesitation. If I see a lethal weapon, or a weapon at all, whether it is a crowbar or a knife, they are dead.

If there is no weapon, which is highly unlikely, as to break into most people's homes you need some form of weapon to pry the door or window open, then I would try to be diplomatic. With our current criminal justice system, you could get sent to prison or be sued for shooting someone who didn't pose a threat to you but was trying to steal from you. I would most likely point my gun at the man or woman and force them on the ground, and then I would call the police.

But, if the individual has a weapon, like I said previously, I will empty my entire magazine into their chest. My life and well being is more important to me than that of a thief who cannot comprehend the basic human right to property.

His company collapsed because of rich capitalists getting too many debts. His wife could not get treatment for her cancer, as they no longer had any income, and died. Ending up on the streets, to avoid anything happening to his 3 year old daughter, he gave her up for adoption, for her own sake. He then spent a month either waking up at 6 AM getting chased out of where he was sleeping or 3 AM getting raped.

He gets desperate, and finds a knife in a bin. He decides that he'll rob someone, and give all the money to his daughter so that she can lead a better life. He breaks into your house. As he tries to explain and say he'll leave, throwing his knife to the floor, you take a 20 bullet gun and shoot every single one of them in his chest. As he writhes on the floor, he knows the cycle will repeat.

So he decides to take from ME rather than "rich capitalists getting too many debts"? He decides to take from ME rather than the docs or insurance companies that decided "His wife could not get treatment for her cancer"?
He decides to take from ME rather than robbing a grocery store for food directly?

He can some how prove this story, or I am supposed to believe it whole cloth?

Hm.

No.
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12/9/2015 2:37:07 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/9/2015 6:10:35 AM, smelisox wrote:
At 12/8/2015 10:43:48 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/8/2015 11:46:47 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 11/5/2015 3:23:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
I'm an American, but I'd try to kill armed or unarmed. If I can easily overpower an unarmed intruder, I may just torture them for a while, then kill them.

I've thought about situations where I'd torture an armed intruder if one broke into my house, mostly because of the show Dexter. I think it'd be interesting to experience the raw power and control that one would feel in that kind of situation. I've got multiple machetes but my roommate has a Mossberg 500 chainsaw among other guns, so hopefully I'd get to him before my roommate blows him in half.

I have a baby in the house since I posted that. I'd be even more ruthless now. I'm extremely protective.

I wonder how the child will be raised if you start murdering people.

Don't be an idiot.
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12/9/2015 4:16:13 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/9/2015 2:37:07 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/9/2015 6:10:35 AM, smelisox wrote:
At 12/8/2015 10:43:48 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/8/2015 11:46:47 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 11/5/2015 3:23:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
I'm an American, but I'd try to kill armed or unarmed. If I can easily overpower an unarmed intruder, I may just torture them for a while, then kill them.

I've thought about situations where I'd torture an armed intruder if one broke into my house, mostly because of the show Dexter. I think it'd be interesting to experience the raw power and control that one would feel in that kind of situation. I've got multiple machetes but my roommate has a Mossberg 500 chainsaw among other guns, so hopefully I'd get to him before my roommate blows him in half.

I have a baby in the house since I posted that. I'd be even more ruthless now. I'm extremely protective.

I wonder how the child will be raised if you start murdering people.

Don't be an idiot.

Says the murderer?
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12/9/2015 4:18:44 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/9/2015 4:16:13 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 12/9/2015 2:37:07 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/9/2015 6:10:35 AM, smelisox wrote:
At 12/8/2015 10:43:48 PM, Wylted wrote:
At 12/8/2015 11:46:47 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 11/5/2015 3:23:25 PM, Wylted wrote:
I'm an American, but I'd try to kill armed or unarmed. If I can easily overpower an unarmed intruder, I may just torture them for a while, then kill them.

I've thought about situations where I'd torture an armed intruder if one broke into my house, mostly because of the show Dexter. I think it'd be interesting to experience the raw power and control that one would feel in that kind of situation. I've got multiple machetes but my roommate has a Mossberg 500 chainsaw among other guns, so hopefully I'd get to him before my roommate blows him in half.

I have a baby in the house since I posted that. I'd be even more ruthless now. I'm extremely protective.

I wonder how the child will be raised if you start murdering people.

Don't be an idiot.

Says the murderer?

I wonder how your child will be raised since you won't defend your family from armed intruders. Oh that's right, they'll be dead.