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How can people be anti-gambling?

Jovian
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12/4/2015 6:13:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
There are many people who are against gambling. It seems to be mostly prevalent by the religious. There are also lots of countries and American states who have illegalized gambling fully or in some forms. Hawaii & Utah are the states who have illegalized any kind of gambling. The most prevalent arguments against gambling is usually "it ruins peoples' lives". Then they often pull examples like one man somewhere who depleted his daughter's college fund or one man somewhere else who mortgage his house to finance his destructive gambling. Yes, these are horrible accidents that have happened to people. But, aren't these anti-gambling people aware of that there are sensible gamblers?

You basically need to know one thing only in order to not gamble away all of your money. That is nothing but simple mathematics. If it was that easy to win several millions while you are gambling, all casinos would go bankrupt. They can't pay out millions after millions. The win is mostly on the house. Gambling is almost only about losing money.

Now you might wonder why gambling should exist anyway if people mostly lose? The adrenaline. The chance, albeit a slight chance, of winning millions, it still exists in your head. Sensible gamblers could absolutely have this motivation, and still only bet away not more than he could afford. I for example gamble away a maximum of $30 every month. I wouldn't feel good if I would transcend that limit.

Here there would be arguments like "Come on, you could had done something else for those money. Where are those money now? In the hands of the casino owners". It is true, mostly, but, I had a very nice time while it lasted. Same argument could be used for buying candy. Where are that money now? In your stomach. One could had done something else. But one had a nice time while indulging in the candy. Or going to the amusement park. Those money are gone after you were there. But you had a nice time while you were there.

Another argument is also how some casinos are evil tricksters. Yes, it is true. I've heard of casinos who have seen obvious gambling addicts play away massive amounts of money, and these casinos have instead of saying "You sir might be an addict" instead given them stimulus by the means of bonuses, to keep him continue his destructive activity and rendering the casino richer. But why be against gambling as a whole because of such casinos? Why not just be against those specific casino?

People are not stupid. People could be taught about the risks of anything. It is done by, again, simple mathematics. There are also loads of organizations and hotlines who could help gambling addicts. And why should sensible gamblers be punished because of that some addicts played away their money?

There is also another theory about how good it really could be to ban gambling. It could lead to benefits of criminal underground casinos, where more people will turn up since there are no legal ways of using it. But I do not know at all if that would be true, I'm just presenting a theory.
Jovian
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12/5/2015 2:27:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I could also present some links about the debate:

http://www.buzzle.com...
http://www.teenink.com...
http://gambling.addictionblog.org...

I can not see anything in these articles saying anything else than that people are stupid monkeys who never ever would be able to learn the risks of gambling. My opinion is, let us start focusing on why people take the risks too lightly, instead of sweeping the problems under the mat. You don't cure a problem by aiming at the symptoms of it. You cure a problem by aiming at the roots of it.
Ragnar_Rahl
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12/5/2015 8:36:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
If you really want to reduce gambling expenditures, it is far less effective to outlaw gambling than it is to legalize prostitution.
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12/5/2015 11:09:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/4/2015 6:13:40 PM, Jovian wrote:
There are many people who are against gambling. It seems to be mostly prevalent by the religious. There are also lots of countries and American states who have illegalized gambling fully or in some forms. Hawaii & Utah are the states who have illegalized any kind of gambling. The most prevalent arguments against gambling is usually "it ruins peoples' lives". Then they often pull examples like one man somewhere who depleted his daughter's college fund or one man somewhere else who mortgage his house to finance his destructive gambling. Yes, these are horrible accidents that have happened to people. But, aren't these anti-gambling people aware of that there are sensible gamblers?

You basically need to know one thing only in order to not gamble away all of your money. That is nothing but simple mathematics. If it was that easy to win several millions while you are gambling, all casinos would go bankrupt. They can't pay out millions after millions. The win is mostly on the house. Gambling is almost only about losing money.

Now you might wonder why gambling should exist anyway if people mostly lose? The adrenaline. The chance, albeit a slight chance, of winning millions, it still exists in your head. Sensible gamblers could absolutely have this motivation, and still only bet away not more than he could afford. I for example gamble away a maximum of $30 every month. I wouldn't feel good if I would transcend that limit.

Here there would be arguments like "Come on, you could had done something else for those money. Where are those money now? In the hands of the casino owners". It is true, mostly, but, I had a very nice time while it lasted. Same argument could be used for buying candy. Where are that money now? In your stomach. One could had done something else. But one had a nice time while indulging in the candy. Or going to the amusement park. Those money are gone after you were there. But you had a nice time while you were there.

Another argument is also how some casinos are evil tricksters. Yes, it is true. I've heard of casinos who have seen obvious gambling addicts play away massive amounts of money, and these casinos have instead of saying "You sir might be an addict" instead given them stimulus by the means of bonuses, to keep him continue his destructive activity and rendering the casino richer. But why be against gambling as a whole because of such casinos? Why not just be against those specific casino?

People are not stupid. People could be taught about the risks of anything. It is done by, again, simple mathematics. There are also loads of organizations and hotlines who could help gambling addicts. And why should sensible gamblers be punished because of that some addicts played away their money?

There is also another theory about how good it really could be to ban gambling. It could lead to benefits of criminal underground casinos, where more people will turn up since there are no legal ways of using it. But I do not know at all if that would be true, I'm just presenting a theory.

I like blackjack and texas hold em'. Everything else is immoral and should be banished from reality.
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Jovian
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12/5/2015 2:18:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 8:36:34 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If you really want to reduce gambling expenditures, it is far less effective to outlaw gambling than it is to legalize prostitution.

Surely. But why would someone want to reduce them anyway, when we could just teach people to not gamble away all of their money? I guess the answer here, at least from the religious, that these money shouldn't be gambled at all, that these money instead should be put on the church collection plate every Sunday. Economical powerplay.

At 12/5/2015 11:09:18 AM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
I like blackjack and texas hold em'. Everything else is immoral and should be banished from reality.

But why?
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12/5/2015 10:34:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 2:18:35 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 12/5/2015 8:36:34 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If you really want to reduce gambling expenditures, it is far less effective to outlaw gambling than it is to legalize prostitution.

Surely. But why would someone want to reduce them anyway, when we could just teach people to not gamble away all of their money?
That would cost money, and it doesn't actually work.

I do think the average gambler overspends on the hobby. I do not want to spend anyone else's money trying to stop them.
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12/5/2015 10:49:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/5/2015 10:34:51 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 12/5/2015 2:18:35 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 12/5/2015 8:36:34 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
If you really want to reduce gambling expenditures, it is far less effective to outlaw gambling than it is to legalize prostitution.

Surely. But why would someone want to reduce them anyway, when we could just teach people to not gamble away all of their money?
That would cost money, and it doesn't actually work.

I do think the average gambler overspends on the hobby. I do not want to spend anyone else's money trying to stop them.

No money has been put in order to make me a sensible gambler though. Only simple mathematics.
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12/6/2015 6:00:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
If we make X illegal, there will just be a black market. Yeah. Laws cannot prevent crime. When someone holds up a store, do the police come in there with a piece of paper and say "Hey! You're not supposed to do that! A bunch of people signed this paper that says 'robbing is bad. don't do it.' So knock it off!"
Laws establish limits beyond which punishment applies and force can be used. That's all the law can do is set limits and authorize force.

Murder is illegal, but who says contract killing should be legalized because it still happens? Besides, we could tax the incomes of the hit men if we legalize it.

I'm on the fence about gambling, but please don't use the "potential black market" argument for anything.
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Jovian
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12/6/2015 9:18:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/6/2015 6:00:58 AM, Skynet wrote:
If we make X illegal, there will just be a black market. Yeah. Laws cannot prevent crime. When someone holds up a store, do the police come in there with a piece of paper and say "Hey! You're not supposed to do that! A bunch of people signed this paper that says 'robbing is bad. don't do it.' So knock it off!"
Laws establish limits beyond which punishment applies and force can be used. That's all the law can do is set limits and authorize force.

Murder is illegal, but who says contract killing should be legalized because it still happens? Besides, we could tax the incomes of the hit men if we legalize it.

I'm on the fence about gambling, but please don't use the "potential black market" argument for anything.

It wasn't really my argument, I mostly wanted to present a common theory.
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12/9/2015 7:14:20 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
People can be anti-gambling if they have understood that we can be addicted to it, and that a lot of people need a serious medical help now.
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12/9/2015 10:55:20 PM
Posted: 12 months ago
At 12/9/2015 7:14:20 PM, SocialTeacher wrote:
People can be anti-gambling if they have understood that we can be addicted to it, and that a lot of people need a serious medical help now.

Sure, but when I meant anti-gambling, I meant calling for bans of it. Why should people who could use gambling perfectly be punished?