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1/8/2016 2:05:23 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
This person perfectly explains why people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness can and do complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness.

http://oi67.tinypic.com...
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1/8/2016 2:08:23 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 2:05:23 AM, lamerde wrote:
This person perfectly explains why some people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness can and do complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness.

http://oi67.tinypic.com...

inb4 "not all people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness are white males".
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1/8/2016 3:36:05 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 2:08:23 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/8/2016 2:05:23 AM, lamerde wrote:
This person perfectly explains why some people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness can and do complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness.

http://oi67.tinypic.com...

inb4 "not all people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness are white males".

And yet, when they do get offended by something eg homosexuality, the problem is also with them. Even though said behaviour does cause them psychological distress.
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1/8/2016 3:57:24 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 2:05:23 AM, lamerde wrote:
This person perfectly explains why people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness can and do complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness.

http://oi67.tinypic.com...

roflmao

This is the most hilarious act of passive aggression I have ever seen on DDO.

It's like a sassy black woman being all:

"Bitch, please. I am so ignoring you!"

and then

*snaps fingers*

lol this made my day
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1/8/2016 3:59:24 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
I think of all the hilariously dumb things I've ever seen people post on DDO, and this is like the crowning point of all of them.

I mean, the level of petty high-school level drama on this site brings happiness and joy to my heart.

Every time I see something like this OP, it's just like... wow.

I lol'd for at least ten full seconds after reading this. It's great, and I wish the OP posted more content like this.
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1/8/2016 4:03:15 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
Being offended is a choice. Referring to "not being offended" as a "privilege" is just ridiculous.
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1/8/2016 4:09:40 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:03:15 AM, spacetime wrote:
Being offended is a choice. Referring to "not being offended" as a "privilege" is just ridiculous.

It's what happens when a bunch of social justice warriors get together to figure out new sh!t to complain about. This is why social science (and psychology to a considerable extent) has discredited itself. It's too political...

I see garbage like the link the OP posted on tumblr and other social media, and I LOL every time. Ironically, though, that kind of mentality is why conservatives make fun of progressives... they just say too much stupid sh!t, and complain too often.

The reality is that we all face challenges... the absurdity is thinking that any group's set of problems is any more special than another, and when one group gets into a "competition of woe" with another.

It's the kind of stuff South Park episodes are made of.
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1/8/2016 4:09:56 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:03:15 AM, spacetime wrote:
Being offended is a choice. Referring to "not being offended" as a "privilege" is just ridiculous.

Would you deny that there some situations where a person gets offended that are more justified than others? For example, if a person insults another person's attractiveness or wealth, is that equally as bad as insulting another person's unattractiveness, heavy weight, disability, poverty, etc.?
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1/8/2016 4:22:42 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 2:05:23 AM, lamerde wrote:
This person perfectly explains why people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness can and do complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness.

http://oi67.tinypic.com...

You're discussing slavery in a land of plantation owners.
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1/8/2016 4:26:14 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:22:42 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/8/2016 2:05:23 AM, lamerde wrote:
This person perfectly explains why people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness can and do complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness.

http://oi67.tinypic.com...

You're discussing slavery in a land of plantation owners.

I'm just waiting for people to come defend their views.
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1/8/2016 4:27:40 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 3:36:05 AM, theworldhasgonemad wrote:

And yet, when they do get offended by something eg homosexuality, the problem is also with them. Even though said behaviour does cause them psychological distress.

I'm not sure what you mean.
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1/8/2016 4:30:24 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:09:56 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:03:15 AM, spacetime wrote:
Being offended is a choice. Referring to "not being offended" as a "privilege" is just ridiculous.

Would you deny that there some situations where a person gets offended that are more justified than others? For example, if a person insults another person's attractiveness or wealth, is that equally as bad as insulting another person's unattractiveness, heavy weight, disability, poverty, etc.?

Nah. Offensiveness is subjective.
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1/8/2016 4:31:06 AM
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Social justice warrior 1: "My suffering is bigger than yours!"

Social justice warrior 2: "You lie! My oppression vastly outweighs yours!"

Social justice warrior 3: "Nuh uh! I am oppressed more than all of you!"

And there are metaphors, references to social injustice gone by, cries of misery and woe.... and the like. This is why social science, and pretty much all race/gender classes in college are complete jokes.

Social justice warrior 4: "I'm more of a feminist than you."

Social justice warrior 5: "No no no... you're only a fourth wave quasi-marxist feminist. I'm an actual marxist feminist. I'm both a marxist and a feminist. And I'm a handicapped black lesbian who was adopted by jewish parents who became a muslim... I win the social justice warrior suffering game! None for you! Muahaha!"
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1/8/2016 4:32:29 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
Social justice warrior 5: "[provocative thing which forces the status quo to justify itself]."

Objective reality: "No one cares."
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1/8/2016 4:32:50 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:09:40 AM, YYW wrote:

The reality is that we all face challenges... the absurdity is thinking that any group's set of problems is any more special than another, and when one group gets into a "competition of woe" with another.

Yeah, this pretty much sums up the problem with the whole idea of "privilege"


It's the kind of stuff South Park episodes are made of.

LOL
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1/8/2016 4:34:37 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:30:24 AM, spacetime wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:09:56 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:03:15 AM, spacetime wrote:
Being offended is a choice. Referring to "not being offended" as a "privilege" is just ridiculous.

Would you deny that there some situations where a person gets offended that are more justified than others? For example, if a person insults another person's attractiveness or wealth, is that equally as bad as insulting another person's unattractiveness, heavy weight, disability, poverty, etc.?

Nah. Offensiveness is subjective.

I'm not sure what you're saying "nah" to. Are you saying that you don't deny there are some situations that more justify a person getting offended? (i.e., you agree that some situations justify it more.) Or that insulting a person's attractiveness or wealth is not equally as bad as insulting a person's unattractiveness, heavy weight, etc.?

Offensiveness may be subjective, but that doesn't mean nothing is offensive.
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1/8/2016 4:37:27 AM
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Social justice warrior 6: The Social Justice Warrior Manifesto

"We must all come together, people of the world who are not white heterosexual males, and unite against the white heterosexual males. Except we must fight with each other about who is the most oppressed, because only the most oppressed have claim to moral rightness. The extent of your oppression is the extent of your worth in our circle. We don't care about what you create. We don't care what you build, or can build. But we do care how smart you are, because if you are super bright you make the rest of us look bad so even if you're one of us we're going to reject you as being too privileged. Or if you're good looking, then fvck you because you're privileged. Or if you're talented in any way that we are not, fvck you because you have what we do not have. We cannot take it from you, so we will demonize you... but we would take it from you if we could, because envy is the only core value to our ideology. We envy what we are not, but we are unwilling to work to do better for ourselves. We expect to live off of the work of the few.... all those who are more privileged than us. Because we are not privileged, we are entitled to things and special treatment. We will invent reasons for you to be demonized and vilified. Exceptionalism is treason. Virtue is sin. Work ethics are debase. Nothing matters other than our parade of woe."
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1/8/2016 4:37:50 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:32:50 AM, spacetime wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:09:40 AM, YYW wrote:

The reality is that we all face challenges... the absurdity is thinking that any group's set of problems is any more special than another, and when one group gets into a "competition of woe" with another.

Yeah, this pretty much sums up the problem with the whole idea of "privilege"


It's the kind of stuff South Park episodes are made of.

LOL

You might enjoy post 17.
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1/8/2016 4:41:03 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:37:27 AM, YYW wrote:
Social justice warrior 6: The Social Justice Warrior Manifesto

"We must all come together, people of the world who are not white heterosexual males, and unite against the white heterosexual males. Except we must fight with each other about who is the most oppressed, because only the most oppressed have claim to moral rightness. The extent of your oppression is the extent of your worth in our circle. We don't care about what you create. We don't care what you build, or can build. But we do care how smart you are, because if you are super bright you make the rest of us look bad so even if you're one of us we're going to reject you as being too privileged. Or if you're good looking, then fvck you because you're privileged. Or if you're talented in any way that we are not, fvck you because you have what we do not have. We cannot take it from you, so we will demonize you... but we would take it from you if we could, because envy is the only core value to our ideology. We envy what we are not, but we are unwilling to work to do better for ourselves. We expect to live off of the work of the few.... all those who are more privileged than us. Because we are not privileged, we are entitled to things and special treatment. We will invent reasons for you to be demonized and vilified. Exceptionalism is treason. Virtue is sin. Work ethics are debase. Nothing matters other than our parade of woe."

And above all.... if you're white and gay, you're still too privileged. We also hate you because you got rights easier than we did. Envy is at the core of it all. Only the most oppressed matter.

#socialjustice
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1/8/2016 4:52:21 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:34:37 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:30:24 AM, spacetime wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:09:56 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:03:15 AM, spacetime wrote:
Being offended is a choice. Referring to "not being offended" as a "privilege" is just ridiculous.

Would you deny that there some situations where a person gets offended that are more justified than others? For example, if a person insults another person's attractiveness or wealth, is that equally as bad as insulting another person's unattractiveness, heavy weight, disability, poverty, etc.?

Nah. Offensiveness is subjective.

I'm not sure what you're saying "nah" to. Are you saying that you don't deny there are some situations that more justify a person getting offended? (i.e., you agree that some situations justify it more.) Or that insulting a person's attractiveness or wealth is not equally as bad as insulting a person's unattractiveness, heavy weight, etc.?

Such awkward phrasing... not sure how to respond. Let's just say that I'm disagreeing with your view on this, lol


Offensiveness may be subjective, but that doesn't mean nothing is offensive.

I beg to differ. Nothing is inherently offensive. "Getting offended" is a voluntary reaction on the part of the audience.
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1/8/2016 4:59:56 AM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:52:21 AM, spacetime wrote:

Such awkward phrasing... not sure how to respond. Let's just say that I'm disagreeing with your view on this, lol

I asked you two questions and you said "no" - it's unclear which question you're saying no to. If you're saying no to the first, it may indicate you agree with me. If you're saying no to the second, it could mean a couple of things.

I beg to differ. Nothing is inherently offensive. "Getting offended" is a voluntary reaction on the part of the audience.

You're conflating two things here: 1, the feeling of being offended and 2, the inherent value of something being offensive.

First, what makes you think getting offended is voluntary or that people choose to feel their emotions?

Second, I don't think anyone is making the argument that things are inherently offensive. Like with everything else in life, we make value judgements about what constitutes offensiveness or not. The point of the article in the OP is that, due to systems of oppression, some people have a reason to be offended; and that many people who attempt to invalidate these responses themselves get offended over other things.
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1/8/2016 2:14:44 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 2:05:23 AM, lamerde wrote:
This person perfectly explains why people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness can and do complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness.

http://oi67.tinypic.com...

I don't think that this is accurate at all. I mean, probably the most vehement advocate for not getting offended by insults as a way to express personal sovereignty was Epictetus, a former slave. This whole thing can actually be flipped on it's head: self-control is the single most important virtue to practice if one wants to assert ones will and actually gain a modicum of power in society. The fact that 'Social Justice' is vehemently opposed to the idea is why it will never actually solve injustice: it cripples the very people whom it purports to protect.

I'm also lower-middle class gay kid who grew up in a rural town in the 90s. I have had my fair share of soft spots, and I know that even straight white guys in this area have been demeaned and dehumanized. The idea that straight white memn cannot be hurt by anything isn't offensive so much as it is idiotic. Socioeconomic state is the single most relevant predictor of success in this country, and poor white people are oppressed pretty heavily by a society which offers them little avenues for improvement.

I've also been reading through this, and I think that it raises a few points about how privilege is a self-masturbatory exercise which derails the entire discussion:
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1/8/2016 2:45:03 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
Privilege as a concept is really stupid. It adds no value to any discussion at best.
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1/8/2016 2:55:23 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:26:14 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:22:42 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/8/2016 2:05:23 AM, lamerde wrote:
This person perfectly explains why people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness can and do complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness.

http://oi67.tinypic.com...

You're discussing slavery in a land of plantation owners.

I'm just waiting for people to come defend their views.

That's fair, but know the starting point of your audience.
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1/8/2016 3:21:20 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 2:55:23 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:26:14 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:22:42 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/8/2016 2:05:23 AM, lamerde wrote:
This person perfectly explains why people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness can and do complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness.

http://oi67.tinypic.com...

You're discussing slavery in a land of plantation owners.

I'm just waiting for people to come defend their views.

That's fair, but know the starting point of your audience.

Actually, saying "That's fair" was misleading. Everyone has a view. The homeless man who screamed obscenities to you that day on the street had a view, but you wouldn't invite him to a conversation about privilege. That's what this is.
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1/8/2016 3:40:05 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 2:05:23 AM, lamerde wrote:
This person perfectly explains why people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness can and do complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness.

http://oi67.tinypic.com...

Not being offended is not a privilege. There are plenty of people I've met both on the internet and in my own life that either insult their own condition more than others do or simply don't get offended over insults. I know plenty of overweight people that joke about their own obesity or when other people do just laugh it off. I know plenty of arabs that laugh off or make fun of themselves when people make terrorist jokes. I am not saying these insults are necessarily right, but there is obviously a choice in whether you are offended or not. This is why your movement is kind of a joke, there is no individual responsibility for one's actions, and that is a premise that should be and is absolutely rejected in the United States. I'm pretty sure if people can shake off deliberate insults or pointed jokes towards their weight and ethnicity, you could choose to ignore so called "microagressions" (slights that are not even intended) if you wanted to, you just choose not to and want to blame your poor attitude and behavior on society.
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1/8/2016 3:42:23 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:22:42 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/8/2016 2:05:23 AM, lamerde wrote:
This person perfectly explains why people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness can and do complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness.

http://oi67.tinypic.com...

You're discussing slavery in a land of plantation owners.

So basically anyone that disagrees with the concept of privilege is wrong.. because they are purportedly privileged themselves. SJW logic is literally self defeating
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1/8/2016 4:35:30 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:59:56 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:52:21 AM, spacetime wrote:
I beg to differ. Nothing is inherently offensive. "Getting offended" is a voluntary reaction on the part of the audience.

You're conflating two things here: 1, the feeling of being offended and 2, the inherent value of something being offensive.

First, what makes you think getting offended is voluntary or that people choose to feel their emotions?

Common sense? Sure, people can't stop their initial kneejerk reactions to insults -- those are just the result of one's prior conditioning. However, echoing Skepsikyma, control over your feelings is one of the most basic indicators of emotional maturity...


Second, I don't think anyone is making the argument that things are inherently offensive. Like with everything else in life, we make value judgements about what constitutes offensiveness or not. The point of the article in the OP is that, due to systems of oppression, some people have a reason to be offended; and that many people who attempt to invalidate these responses themselves get offended over other things.

Uh huh. And I'm saying getting offended is a choice for those people too. And for me. And for everyone. No double standards.
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1/8/2016 5:02:46 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 4:22:42 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/8/2016 2:05:23 AM, lamerde wrote:
This person perfectly explains why people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness can and do complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness.

http://oi67.tinypic.com...

You're discussing slavery in a land of plantation owners.

You are assuming all plantation owners think slavery is the only way to efficently run their plantation. You are also assuming all plantation owners treated their slaves the same. You are also also assuming all plantation owners had slaves.
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1/8/2016 6:50:11 PM
Posted: 11 months ago
At 1/8/2016 3:42:23 PM, Objectivity wrote:
At 1/8/2016 4:22:42 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/8/2016 2:05:23 AM, lamerde wrote:
This person perfectly explains why people who complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness can and do complain about microaggressions theory and political correctness.

http://oi67.tinypic.com...

You're discussing slavery in a land of plantation owners.

So basically anyone that disagrees with the concept of privilege is wrong.. because they are purportedly privileged themselves.

Sorry, it appears my comment was unclear. I am not claiming the above. I am claiming that DDO is a cesspool.
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