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idkmybffbill
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10/24/2010 5:47:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/24/2010 5:33:20 PM, Koopin wrote:
Why does this mater to you?

I have to do an analysis of capital punishment, and I wanted to see whether intelligent people (A.K.A. the folks here on DDO) consider it as a social or political issue.
Korashk
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10/24/2010 6:00:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/24/2010 5:47:24 PM, idkmybffbill wrote:
At 10/24/2010 5:33:20 PM, Koopin wrote:
Why does this mater to you?

I have to do an analysis of capital punishment, and I wanted to see whether intelligent people (A.K.A. the folks here on DDO) consider it as a social or political issue.

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10/24/2010 6:01:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
There seems to be an issue of political power involved - whether or not a State can kill a person legitimately. But as usual, it's difficult to disentagle the two.

I'd call it an ethical issue myself
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10/24/2010 9:50:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
To be social is to be of or pertaining to the interactions between two or more parties.

To be political is to be of or pertaining to the forcible interactions between two or more parties.

It is both, yet since political is more specific...
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10/25/2010 2:48:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/24/2010 5:06:28 PM, idkmybffbill wrote:
Would you say that capital punishment is more of a social or political issue?

It's a multidimensional issue, with social, political, and ethical facets. Which facet is of primary importance would of course depend on your worldview.

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10/25/2010 2:59:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/24/2010 5:29:12 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
A social issue.
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10/25/2010 3:09:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Executions are something one normally associates with backwards, third-world dictatorships - I'm surprised that some states in America still persist with this draconian form of punishment.
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Mirza
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10/25/2010 3:22:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/25/2010 3:09:36 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Executions are something one normally associates with backwards, third-world dictatorships - I'm surprised that some states in America still persist with this draconian form of punishment.
Besides hurting your emotions, what else is negative about it?
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10/25/2010 3:36:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/25/2010 3:22:03 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/25/2010 3:09:36 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Executions are something one normally associates with backwards, third-world dictatorships - I'm surprised that some states in America still persist with this draconian form of punishment.
Besides hurting your emotions, what else is negative about it?

It harks back to the days of human sacrifice - it's barbaric - and besides, I'd rather see a serious felon rot in jail than escape justice by being executed - that's why so many paedos and murdering rapists are on suicide watch- it's nothing to do with me being soft-hearted towards criminals, I can assure you!
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10/25/2010 3:49:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/25/2010 3:36:42 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
I'd rather see a serious felon rot in jail than escape justice by being executed

I'd rather not see murdering scum run gangs from prison..

or see any single guard, or other (less douchey) prisoner, get stabbed with a 'shank' some murdering d-bag hid up his @ss...

Prison doesn't go far enough towards preventing the person from committing Heinous acts of violence again.

if it's likely the person will attempt to murder again Even In Prison... I say killing him makes sense.
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10/25/2010 3:52:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/25/2010 3:49:04 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 10/25/2010 3:36:42 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
I'd rather see a serious felon rot in jail than escape justice by being executed

I'd rather not see murdering scum run gangs from prison..

or see any single guard, or other (less douchey) prisoner, get stabbed with a 'shank' some murdering d-bag hid up his @ss...

Prison doesn't go far enough towards preventing the person from committing Heinous acts of violence again.

if it's likely the person will attempt to murder again Even In Prison... I say killing him makes sense.

also... there's the cost of securely housing such folks to consider.

Really Trying Every Second of EVERY day to keep the dude from murdering again is an expensive and time consuming endeavor.

and even with tons of money and man-hours thrown at it it's still not a sure thing that he won't be able to seriously hurt someone..
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10/25/2010 4:53:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/25/2010 3:09:36 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Executions are something one normally associates with backwards, third-world dictatorships - I'm surprised that some states in America still persist with this draconian form of punishment.

Doesn't it seem odd that the countries that retain the death penalties are less developed, and have poor or corrupt judicial and political systems.

You'd think countries with judicial systems that are better able to separate the innocent from the guilty, and those who are deserving of the death penalty, should be the countries more willing to use execution as a mode of punishment.
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10/25/2010 5:04:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/25/2010 2:48:06 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 10/24/2010 5:06:28 PM, idkmybffbill wrote:
Would you say that capital punishment is more of a social or political issue?

It's a multidimensional issue, with social, political, and ethical facets. Which facet is of primary importance would of course depend on your worldview.

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10/26/2010 10:28:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/25/2010 3:36:42 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
It harks back to the days of human sacrifice - it's barbaric - and besides, I'd rather see a serious felon rot in jail than escape justice by being executed - that's why so many paedos and murdering rapists are on suicide watch- it's nothing to do with me being soft-hearted towards criminals, I can assure you!
Yes it is, otherwise you would not consider it to be barbaric. People are often enlightened by the fact that they escape death. Capital punishment is a much better deterrent of severe crimes than jail time. People who get out of jail tend to commit crimes over and over again. Also, if a person is sentenced to life imprisonment wrongly, and after e.g. 30 years finds out that the authorities were wrong about him and ant to realize him, then that is horrible. It is extremely sad.
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10/26/2010 10:31:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 10/26/2010 10:28:05 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 10/25/2010 3:36:42 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
It harks back to the days of human sacrifice - it's barbaric - and besides, I'd rather see a serious felon rot in jail than escape justice by being executed - that's why so many paedos and murdering rapists are on suicide watch- it's nothing to do with me being soft-hearted towards criminals, I can assure you!
Yes it is, otherwise you would not consider it to be barbaric. People are often enlightened by the fact that they escape death. Capital punishment is a much better deterrent of severe crimes than jail time. People who get out of jail tend to commit crimes over and over again. Also, if a person is sentenced to life imprisonment wrongly, and after e.g. 30 years finds out that the authorities were wrong about him and want to make him aware of it, then that is horrible. It is extremely sad.
Correction.