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1/24/2016 10:29:46 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
On January 20th, 88 of the 100 Detroit public schools shut down because teachers refused to come into work. And a few days ago, a judge refused to order teachers to stop refusing to work.

So let's go into the reasons why.

Equipment shortages, safety hazards, rats, ceiling tiles falling, unusable gyms, unusable staircases, black mold growth, mold on bread, mushroom growth, no heating, and leaking from plumbing that causes water from bathrooms to leak on classrooms.

But that's not enough for the government - let's go to learning standards.

According to the Wall Street Journal, 4% of Detroit eight graders were proficient in math last year, and 7% in reading.

Now, Governor Snyder assigned the current emergency manager of Detroit public schools, Darnell Earley. Before that, he was the emergency manager of the City of Flint, Michigan for two years. I am not blaming the schools on him, obviously - I just like to point out patterns in Michigan government. And instead of addressing the problem, Mr. Earley shed some blame onto teachers.

"These ongoing illegal actions chosen by teachers represent an extreme disservice to the more than 44,790 students and their families who today lost another day of instruction and were again inconvenienced or caused to lose wages due to these closures. We have heard teachers' concerns and identified short and long-term solutions to several key issues. It's time for all of us to work together to ensure that there will be a school system in Detroit for future generations of the city's children."

Mr. Earley may just have his attention elsewhere - and I can't say I blame him for that when he's the a defendant in a highly publicized lawsuit for his actions in past positions.
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1/24/2016 10:37:34 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
The situation in Detroit is an utter quagmire and these sorts of claims by local government that teachers need to buck up and unite with their efforts are nothing new. A recent march by educators and parents from Detroit to the Lansing legislature received minimal press coverage and the marchers were met with political double talk and zero promises. The only saving grace in Detroit and other struggling cities in Michigan are the grassroots movements that are led by families, for families. They have no shot at reforming the schools on a large scale, though, not without substantial government aid.
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1/26/2016 3:07:49 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

It would if it was a Republican state.
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1/26/2016 3:09:52 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:07:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

It would if it was a Republican state.

It is.
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1/26/2016 3:10:18 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

Perhaps Detroit should go the way of New Orleans and tear everything down and outsource what education dollars it has left to contractors.
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1/26/2016 3:14:25 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:10:18 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

Perhaps Detroit should go the way of New Orleans and tear everything down and outsource what education dollars it has left to contractors.

That has already happened, and it has failed. The emergency managers brought in to address the failing and closing public schools were outsourced, mostly from Florida. That is part of the reason there has been no progress (actually, there has been regress): those outsourcing contractors have no incentive to improve conditions in Detroit, as their livelihood is currently tied to Detroit's continued failure.
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1/26/2016 3:14:49 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:09:52 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:07:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

It would if it was a Republican state.

It is.

What I mean is, most of the country is like "sucks to be you, Blue got you into this mess and Red may not be able to pull you out at this point."
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1/26/2016 3:16:18 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:14:25 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:10:18 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

Perhaps Detroit should go the way of New Orleans and tear everything down and outsource what education dollars it has left to contractors.

That has already happened, and it has failed. The emergency managers brought in to address the failing and closing public schools were outsourced, mostly from Florida. That is part of the reason there has been no progress (actually, there has been regress): those outsourcing contractors have no incentive to improve conditions in Detroit, as their livelihood is currently tied to Detroit's continued failure.

Damn they couldn't like get people from Lansing or closer??? Florida? Who made that call?
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1/26/2016 3:16:57 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:14:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:09:52 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:07:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

It would if it was a Republican state.

It is.

What I mean is, most of the country is like "sucks to be you, Blue got you into this mess and Red may not be able to pull you out at this point."

Ah, yes. Detroit has unfortunately been on the decline for a long time.
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1/26/2016 3:18:34 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:16:18 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:14:25 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:10:18 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

Perhaps Detroit should go the way of New Orleans and tear everything down and outsource what education dollars it has left to contractors.

That has already happened, and it has failed. The emergency managers brought in to address the failing and closing public schools were outsourced, mostly from Florida. That is part of the reason there has been no progress (actually, there has been regress): those outsourcing contractors have no incentive to improve conditions in Detroit, as their livelihood is currently tied to Detroit's continued failure.

Damn they couldn't like get people from Lansing or closer??? Florida? Who made that call?

It's actually quite ridiculous. Detroit was on the decline financially, so they sold their educational reform out to the lowest bidder. Real shocker that didn't work.
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1/26/2016 3:20:41 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:18:34 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:16:18 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:14:25 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:10:18 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

Perhaps Detroit should go the way of New Orleans and tear everything down and outsource what education dollars it has left to contractors.

That has already happened, and it has failed. The emergency managers brought in to address the failing and closing public schools were outsourced, mostly from Florida. That is part of the reason there has been no progress (actually, there has been regress): those outsourcing contractors have no incentive to improve conditions in Detroit, as their livelihood is currently tied to Detroit's continued failure.

Damn they couldn't like get people from Lansing or closer??? Florida? Who made that call?

It's actually quite ridiculous. Detroit was on the decline financially, so they sold their educational reform out to the lowest bidder. Real shocker that didn't work.

Ugh. Billions of fed money to bail out GM, not a penny for the schools.
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1/26/2016 3:30:35 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:16:57 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:14:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:09:52 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:07:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

It would if it was a Republican state.

It is.

What I mean is, most of the country is like "sucks to be you, Blue got you into this mess and Red may not be able to pull you out at this point."

Ah, yes. Detroit has unfortunately been on the decline for a long time.

In short, Detroit is a city on the brink of ruination. At the center of that ruination is 50 years of Democrat rule. The last Republican Mayor the city had was Louis C. Miriani, who lost his reelection bid in 1961 and ended up spending 10 years in prison for tax evasion. Incoming mayor, Democrat Jerome Cavanagh, brought the "Model City" program -- fashioned after Soviet Union centralized efforts to transform entire urban areas at once -- to a nine-square-mile section of the city. Using a commuter tax and a new income tax as his vehicle, Cavanagh promised residents "the rich" would pay for it all. Yet because people were being told by government how to run their businesses and their lives, in exchange for government goodies, the program ended up failing spectacularly.

In 1967, after police broke up a celebration at an after hours club, an enraged neighborhood began to riot, igniting the worst race riot of the decade. Black-owned business were looted and burned to the ground. Forty people were killed and 5,000 were left homeless, and the "white flight" out of the city center, totaling 140,000 people over an eighteen month period, ensued. The city was never the same.

An unbroken series of Democratic mayors followed, all of whom had a hand in implementing the full panoply of progressive policies, highlighted by the giveaways to public service employees. Their outlandish salaries and benefit packages, coupled with highly inefficient work rules, killed the golden goose: the auto industry, and its attendant industrial community headed South, where lower taxes and right-to-work rules kept their businesses afloat.

The same swath of progressive policies destroyed the public school system as well. Perhaps nothing illustrates the corrupting influence of those policies better than the Detroit Federation of Teachers' success in scuttling a $200 million offer by businessman and philanthropist Robert Thompson to build 15 charter schools in the city in 2003. Ten years later, the Detroit Public School (DPS) system remains a cesspool of failure, corruption and bankruptcy, all of which is chronicled here.

Considering some of the men who have run this city, Detroit's descent into socialistic ruination should surprise no one. From 1974 to 1993, Coleman Young, who was subsequently revealed to be a member of the Communist Party, was mayor of the city. He failed to stem Detroit's descent into chaos, and in 1992 his police chief was convicted of stealing $2.6 million from city taxpayers, even as Young defended him. Michigan's hard-left U.S. Senator Carl Levin was Young"s chief supporter, serving as Detroit City Council president.

Kwame Kilpatrick, who served as Mayor from 2002 to 2008, represents the epitome of corruption. In 2008, he pleaded guilty to two felonies and no contest to a third one, receiving a sentence of 120 days. In 2010, he received a five year sentence for probation violations stemming from his obstruction of justice conviction. Currently Kilpatrick, along with his father, Bernard Kilpatrick, and his longtime contractor friend Bobby Ferguson, who got millions of dollars in city work, are awaiting a jury verdict on racketeering, bribery and tax charges that could send them all to jail for 20 years.

All of these polices and politicians have had their effect. In 2012, Forbes Magazine rated Detroit the most dangerous city in America. A Detroit News poll revealed that "Detroit's crime crisis" has gotten so bad, a staggering 40 percent of its residents intend to leave the city within five years. Another two-thirds say the city is on the wrong track. The poll also found that all of Detroit's public officials were held in low esteem, except for Police Chief Ralph Godbee--who retired due to a sex scandal after the poll was taken.

Now one might think that those living in the epicenter of Democrat-inflicted misery for fifty years might consider changing course. One would be completely wrong. On Nov. 6, Barack Obama received 98 percent of the vote. On the same night Detroit voters elected a convicted felon, Brian Banks, to serve in the state legislature. Other election results show overwhelming margins of victories for Detroit Democrats as well.
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1/26/2016 3:40:33 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
I guess all the people that could actually fix Detroit already left. Maybe in the far sci-fi future we can turn it into a gulag, like the movie "Escape from New York" except this time it's "Escape from Detroit."
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1/26/2016 3:41:23 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:30:35 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:16:57 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:14:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:09:52 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:07:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

It would if it was a Republican state.

It is.

What I mean is, most of the country is like "sucks to be you, Blue got you into this mess and Red may not be able to pull you out at this point."

Ah, yes. Detroit has unfortunately been on the decline for a long time.

In short, Detroit is a city on the brink of ruination. At the center of that ruination is 50 years of Democrat rule. The last Republican Mayor the city had was Louis C. Miriani, who lost his reelection bid in 1961 and ended up spending 10 years in prison for tax evasion. Incoming mayor, Democrat Jerome Cavanagh, brought the "Model City" program -- fashioned after Soviet Union centralized efforts to transform entire urban areas at once -- to a nine-square-mile section of the city. Using a commuter tax and a new income tax as his vehicle, Cavanagh promised residents "the rich" would pay for it all. Yet because people were being told by government how to run their businesses and their lives, in exchange for government goodies, the program ended up failing spectacularly.

In 1967, after police broke up a celebration at an after hours club, an enraged neighborhood began to riot, igniting the worst race riot of the decade. Black-owned business were looted and burned to the ground. Forty people were killed and 5,000 were left homeless, and the "white flight" out of the city center, totaling 140,000 people over an eighteen month period, ensued. The city was never the same.

An unbroken series of Democratic mayors followed, all of whom had a hand in implementing the full panoply of progressive policies, highlighted by the giveaways to public service employees. Their outlandish salaries and benefit packages, coupled with highly inefficient work rules, killed the golden goose: the auto industry, and its attendant industrial community headed South, where lower taxes and right-to-work rules kept their businesses afloat.

The same swath of progressive policies destroyed the public school system as well. Perhaps nothing illustrates the corrupting influence of those policies better than the Detroit Federation of Teachers' success in scuttling a $200 million offer by businessman and philanthropist Robert Thompson to build 15 charter schools in the city in 2003. Ten years later, the Detroit Public School (DPS) system remains a cesspool of failure, corruption and bankruptcy, all of which is chronicled here.

Considering some of the men who have run this city, Detroit's descent into socialistic ruination should surprise no one. From 1974 to 1993, Coleman Young, who was subsequently revealed to be a member of the Communist Party, was mayor of the city. He failed to stem Detroit's descent into chaos, and in 1992 his police chief was convicted of stealing $2.6 million from city taxpayers, even as Young defended him. Michigan's hard-left U.S. Senator Carl Levin was Young"s chief supporter, serving as Detroit City Council president.

Kwame Kilpatrick, who served as Mayor from 2002 to 2008, represents the epitome of corruption. In 2008, he pleaded guilty to two felonies and no contest to a third one, receiving a sentence of 120 days. In 2010, he received a five year sentence for probation violations stemming from his obstruction of justice conviction. Currently Kilpatrick, along with his father, Bernard Kilpatrick, and his longtime contractor friend Bobby Ferguson, who got millions of dollars in city work, are awaiting a jury verdict on racketeering, bribery and tax charges that could send them all to jail for 20 years.

All of these polices and politicians have had their effect. In 2012, Forbes Magazine rated Detroit the most dangerous city in America. A Detroit News poll revealed that "Detroit's crime crisis" has gotten so bad, a staggering 40 percent of its residents intend to leave the city within five years. Another two-thirds say the city is on the wrong track. The poll also found that all of Detroit's public officials were held in low esteem, except for Police Chief Ralph Godbee--who retired due to a sex scandal after the poll was taken.

Now one might think that those living in the epicenter of Democrat-inflicted misery for fifty years might consider changing course. One would be completely wrong. On Nov. 6, Barack Obama received 98 percent of the vote. On the same night Detroit voters elected a convicted felon, Brian Banks, to serve in the state legislature. Other election results show overwhelming margins of victories for Detroit Democrats as well.

It's crazy to think that at one point, Detroit was one of the largest and most prosperous cities in the entire country. Nowadays, it is one of the only major cities in the country to report population decline; the highways are practically empty, as they were made to accommodate millions more people than they currently serve. Ironically, Obama was recently in the city to celebrate the revival of the Motor City. In reality, Detroit is out of money, out of options, and out of good will.
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1/26/2016 3:43:40 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:41:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:

It's crazy to think that at one point, Detroit was one of the largest and most prosperous cities in the entire country. Nowadays, it is one of the only major cities in the country to report population decline; the highways are practically empty, as they were made to accommodate millions more people than they currently serve. Ironically, Obama was recently in the city to celebrate the revival of the Motor City. In reality, Detroit is out of money, out of options, and out of good will.

I still can't fathom why the city wants to continue as usual even after 50 years of decline. Don't the people want things to get better?
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1/26/2016 3:50:27 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:43:40 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:41:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:

It's crazy to think that at one point, Detroit was one of the largest and most prosperous cities in the entire country. Nowadays, it is one of the only major cities in the country to report population decline; the highways are practically empty, as they were made to accommodate millions more people than they currently serve. Ironically, Obama was recently in the city to celebrate the revival of the Motor City. In reality, Detroit is out of money, out of options, and out of good will.

I still can't fathom why the city wants to continue as usual even after 50 years of decline. Don't the people want things to get better?

The people of Detroit could not be more frustrated. Just last month they held a 3-day, 90 mile march from Detroit to the Lansing legislature to protest a school initiative that would have shut down some of the few remaining schools in the city. They were met by a guard at the door.
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1/26/2016 4:10:07 PM
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At 1/26/2016 3:50:27 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:43:40 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:41:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:

It's crazy to think that at one point, Detroit was one of the largest and most prosperous cities in the entire country. Nowadays, it is one of the only major cities in the country to report population decline; the highways are practically empty, as they were made to accommodate millions more people than they currently serve. Ironically, Obama was recently in the city to celebrate the revival of the Motor City. In reality, Detroit is out of money, out of options, and out of good will.

I still can't fathom why the city wants to continue as usual even after 50 years of decline. Don't the people want things to get better?

The people of Detroit could not be more frustrated. Just last month they held a 3-day, 90 mile march from Detroit to the Lansing legislature to protest a school initiative that would have shut down some of the few remaining schools in the city. They were met by a guard at the door.

Really? Because this incident indicates otherwise.

Bob Thompson, who built his fortune through asphalt and not the Internet, pledged to donate his entire fortune of $200 million to build 15 charter schools in Detroit; a place that Education Secretary Arne Duncan called the "Ground Zero" of America"s education problems.

The pledge by Thompson, who donated a portion of his wealth to his employees when he retired, was rejected by a bloc comprised of the Detroit teachers union, Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm, and then-mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

While the Detroit Federation of Teachers feared the influx of charter schools, the offer by Thompson was unconditional. The DFT had the opportunity to dictate the curriculum, but they rejected the proposal and protested in front of City Hall. With their approval ratings at all-time lows, Thompson and Granholm had no interest in engaging in a war with the powerful teacher"s union.

Again, why would the PEOPLE of Detroit refuse 200 million in unconditional funds to rebuild the schools?
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1/26/2016 4:17:00 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
A union of teachers is NOT qualified to dictate curriculum, or what kinds of school buildings should be built, or where they should be built, or who should attend them.

A union of classroom teachers knows the classroom. Period. That is the area they are qualified for. They should not have power to administrate the entire school system for an entire city. That is why Detroit refused the 200 million dollars for education funds; because an unqualified teacher's union was allowed to govern the entire school system instead of elected officials and actual school administrators.
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1/27/2016 2:09:10 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:07:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

It would if it was a Republican state.

Funny how the rest of Michigan is doing mostly fine, while Detroit, which has historically been controlled by Democrats for decades happens to be doing terrible.
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1/27/2016 2:42:10 AM
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At 1/27/2016 2:09:10 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:07:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

It would if it was a Republican state.

Funny how the rest of Michigan is doing mostly fine, while Detroit, which has historically been controlled by Democrats for decades happens to be doing terrible.

"The rest of Michigan is doing fine"

Well about that...
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1/27/2016 2:44:22 AM
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At 1/27/2016 2:42:10 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/27/2016 2:09:10 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:07:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

It would if it was a Republican state.

Funny how the rest of Michigan is doing mostly fine, while Detroit, which has historically been controlled by Democrats for decades happens to be doing terrible.

"The rest of Michigan is doing fine"

Well about that...

I said "the rest of Michigan is doing mostly fine". The mostly is very important in the structure of the sentence.
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Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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1/27/2016 12:45:46 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:30:35 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:16:57 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:14:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:09:52 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:07:49 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

It would if it was a Republican state.

It is.

What I mean is, most of the country is like "sucks to be you, Blue got you into this mess and Red may not be able to pull you out at this point."

Ah, yes. Detroit has unfortunately been on the decline for a long time.

In short, Detroit is a city on the brink of ruination. At the center of that ruination is 50 years of Democrat rule. The last Republican Mayor the city had was Louis C. Miriani, who lost his reelection bid in 1961 and ended up spending 10 years in prison for tax evasion. Incoming mayor, Democrat Jerome Cavanagh, brought the "Model City" program -- fashioned after Soviet Union centralized efforts to transform entire urban areas at once -- to a nine-square-mile section of the city. Using a commuter tax and a new income tax as his vehicle, Cavanagh promised residents "the rich" would pay for it all. Yet because people were being told by government how to run their businesses and their lives, in exchange for government goodies, the program ended up failing spectacularly.

In 1967, after police broke up a celebration at an after hours club, an enraged neighborhood began to riot, igniting the worst race riot of the decade. Black-owned business were looted and burned to the ground. Forty people were killed and 5,000 were left homeless, and the "white flight" out of the city center, totaling 140,000 people over an eighteen month period, ensued. The city was never the same.

An unbroken series of Democratic mayors followed, all of whom had a hand in implementing the full panoply of progressive policies, highlighted by the giveaways to public service employees. Their outlandish salaries and benefit packages, coupled with highly inefficient work rules, killed the golden goose: the auto industry, and its attendant industrial community headed South, where lower taxes and right-to-work rules kept their businesses afloat.

The same swath of progressive policies destroyed the public school system as well. Perhaps nothing illustrates the corrupting influence of those policies better than the Detroit Federation of Teachers' success in scuttling a $200 million offer by businessman and philanthropist Robert Thompson to build 15 charter schools in the city in 2003. Ten years later, the Detroit Public School (DPS) system remains a cesspool of failure, corruption and bankruptcy, all of which is chronicled here.

Considering some of the men who have run this city, Detroit's descent into socialistic ruination should surprise no one. From 1974 to 1993, Coleman Young, who was subsequently revealed to be a member of the Communist Party, was mayor of the city. He failed to stem Detroit's descent into chaos, and in 1992 his police chief was convicted of stealing $2.6 million from city taxpayers, even as Young defended him. Michigan's hard-left U.S. Senator Carl Levin was Young"s chief supporter, serving as Detroit City Council president.

Kwame Kilpatrick, who served as Mayor from 2002 to 2008, represents the epitome of corruption. In 2008, he pleaded guilty to two felonies and no contest to a third one, receiving a sentence of 120 days. In 2010, he received a five year sentence for probation violations stemming from his obstruction of justice conviction. Currently Kilpatrick, along with his father, Bernard Kilpatrick, and his longtime contractor friend Bobby Ferguson, who got millions of dollars in city work, are awaiting a jury verdict on racketeering, bribery and tax charges that could send them all to jail for 20 years.

All of these polices and politicians have had their effect. In 2012, Forbes Magazine rated Detroit the most dangerous city in America. A Detroit News poll revealed that "Detroit's crime crisis" has gotten so bad, a staggering 40 percent of its residents intend to leave the city within five years. Another two-thirds say the city is on the wrong track. The poll also found that all of Detroit's public officials were held in low esteem, except for Police Chief Ralph Godbee--who retired due to a sex scandal after the poll was taken.

Now one might think that those living in the epicenter of Democrat-inflicted misery for fifty years might consider changing course. One would be completely wrong. On Nov. 6, Barack Obama received 98 percent of the vote. On the same night Detroit voters elected a convicted felon, Brian Banks, to serve in the state legislature. Other election results show overwhelming margins of victories for Detroit Democrats as well.

I wonder if producing a product no one wanted even in the face of other emerging auto markets had something to... nah. Just democrats.
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1/27/2016 12:47:01 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/26/2016 3:18:34 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:16:18 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:14:25 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:10:18 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:01:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This thread has no attention, not unlike Detroit.

Perhaps Detroit should go the way of New Orleans and tear everything down and outsource what education dollars it has left to contractors.

That has already happened, and it has failed. The emergency managers brought in to address the failing and closing public schools were outsourced, mostly from Florida. That is part of the reason there has been no progress (actually, there has been regress): those outsourcing contractors have no incentive to improve conditions in Detroit, as their livelihood is currently tied to Detroit's continued failure.

Damn they couldn't like get people from Lansing or closer??? Florida? Who made that call?

It's actually quite ridiculous. Detroit was on the decline financially, so they sold their educational reform out to the lowest bidder. Real shocker that didn't work.

What chu talkin' bout? Floriduh is edumacation state numero uno! Just ask Rick Scott, the pioneer for... oh.
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1/27/2016 4:12:36 PM
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At 1/27/2016 12:45:46 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:

I wonder if producing a product no one wanted even in the face of other emerging auto markets had something to... nah. Just democrats.

Yah, that totally explains why the city threw away 200 million in school funds. Cause big SUV.
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1/27/2016 4:20:57 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/27/2016 4:12:36 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/27/2016 12:45:46 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:

I wonder if producing a product no one wanted even in the face of other emerging auto markets had something to... nah. Just democrats.

Yah, that totally explains why the city threw away 200 million in school funds. Cause big SUV.

200 million doesn't mean much if you need 400 to fix the problem.

My point was that since the 50s, rival companies in other countries began to develop resources to make more competitive cars, and domestic companies didn't do much to anticipate market trends or adapt to consumer expectations. If your state's life line is the automotive industry, and your state's life line is now competing on a world market when previously it wasn't, your gonna have a bad time.
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1/27/2016 4:48:24 PM
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At 1/26/2016 4:10:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:50:27 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:43:40 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:41:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:

It's crazy to think that at one point, Detroit was one of the largest and most prosperous cities in the entire country. Nowadays, it is one of the only major cities in the country to report population decline; the highways are practically empty, as they were made to accommodate millions more people than they currently serve. Ironically, Obama was recently in the city to celebrate the revival of the Motor City. In reality, Detroit is out of money, out of options, and out of good will.

I still can't fathom why the city wants to continue as usual even after 50 years of decline. Don't the people want things to get better?

The people of Detroit could not be more frustrated. Just last month they held a 3-day, 90 mile march from Detroit to the Lansing legislature to protest a school initiative that would have shut down some of the few remaining schools in the city. They were met by a guard at the door.

Really? Because this incident indicates otherwise.

Bob Thompson, who built his fortune through asphalt and not the Internet, pledged to donate his entire fortune of $200 million to build 15 charter schools in Detroit; a place that Education Secretary Arne Duncan called the "Ground Zero" of America"s education problems.

The pledge by Thompson, who donated a portion of his wealth to his employees when he retired, was rejected by a bloc comprised of the Detroit teachers union, Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm, and then-mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

While the Detroit Federation of Teachers feared the influx of charter schools, the offer by Thompson was unconditional. The DFT had the opportunity to dictate the curriculum, but they rejected the proposal and protested in front of City Hall. With their approval ratings at all-time lows, Thompson and Granholm had no interest in engaging in a war with the powerful teacher"s union.

Again, why would the PEOPLE of Detroit refuse 200 million in unconditional funds to rebuild the schools?

I'm not familiar with that pledge, so I'll have to review it if I want to be well informed on this issue. What I do know is that the creation of charter schools are often highly contested by public school systems. The public has also pushed back against the teachers and schools for what they believe are insufficient or stubborn tactics.
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1/27/2016 5:10:05 PM
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At 1/27/2016 4:20:57 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/27/2016 4:12:36 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/27/2016 12:45:46 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:

I wonder if producing a product no one wanted even in the face of other emerging auto markets had something to... nah. Just democrats.

Yah, that totally explains why the city threw away 200 million in school funds. Cause big SUV.

200 million doesn't mean much if you need 400 to fix the problem.

My point was that since the 50s, rival companies in other countries began to develop resources to make more competitive cars, and domestic companies didn't do much to anticipate market trends or adapt to consumer expectations. If your state's life line is the automotive industry, and your state's life line is now competing on a world market when previously it wasn't, your gonna have a bad time.

Again, totally explains why the PUBLIC decided to throw away 200 million dollars, cause ebil car companies...
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1/27/2016 5:11:14 PM
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At 1/27/2016 4:48:24 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 4:10:07 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:50:27 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:43:40 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/26/2016 3:41:23 AM, Maikuru wrote:

It's crazy to think that at one point, Detroit was one of the largest and most prosperous cities in the entire country. Nowadays, it is one of the only major cities in the country to report population decline; the highways are practically empty, as they were made to accommodate millions more people than they currently serve. Ironically, Obama was recently in the city to celebrate the revival of the Motor City. In reality, Detroit is out of money, out of options, and out of good will.

I still can't fathom why the city wants to continue as usual even after 50 years of decline. Don't the people want things to get better?

The people of Detroit could not be more frustrated. Just last month they held a 3-day, 90 mile march from Detroit to the Lansing legislature to protest a school initiative that would have shut down some of the few remaining schools in the city. They were met by a guard at the door.

Really? Because this incident indicates otherwise.

Bob Thompson, who built his fortune through asphalt and not the Internet, pledged to donate his entire fortune of $200 million to build 15 charter schools in Detroit; a place that Education Secretary Arne Duncan called the "Ground Zero" of America"s education problems.

The pledge by Thompson, who donated a portion of his wealth to his employees when he retired, was rejected by a bloc comprised of the Detroit teachers union, Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm, and then-mayor Kwame Kilpatrick.

While the Detroit Federation of Teachers feared the influx of charter schools, the offer by Thompson was unconditional. The DFT had the opportunity to dictate the curriculum, but they rejected the proposal and protested in front of City Hall. With their approval ratings at all-time lows, Thompson and Granholm had no interest in engaging in a war with the powerful teacher"s union.

Again, why would the PEOPLE of Detroit refuse 200 million in unconditional funds to rebuild the schools?

I'm not familiar with that pledge, so I'll have to review it if I want to be well informed on this issue. What I do know is that the creation of charter schools are often highly contested by public school systems. The public has also pushed back against the teachers and schools for what they believe are insufficient or stubborn tactics.

Yah, I am going to look into it a bit more after work today. (damn kids still can't figure out basic inequality graphs....)
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1/27/2016 5:13:13 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/27/2016 5:10:05 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/27/2016 4:20:57 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/27/2016 4:12:36 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/27/2016 12:45:46 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:

I wonder if producing a product no one wanted even in the face of other emerging auto markets had something to... nah. Just democrats.

Yah, that totally explains why the city threw away 200 million in school funds. Cause big SUV.

200 million doesn't mean much if you need 400 to fix the problem.

My point was that since the 50s, rival companies in other countries began to develop resources to make more competitive cars, and domestic companies didn't do much to anticipate market trends or adapt to consumer expectations. If your state's life line is the automotive industry, and your state's life line is now competing on a world market when previously it wasn't, your gonna have a bad time.

Again, totally explains why the PUBLIC decided to throw away 200 million dollars, cause ebil car companies...

Again, if you need 400, 200 is no solution, and if you want to ignore state income taxes from an industry in your state, feel free. If you want to ignore those taxes drying up as said industry fails, again, feel free. Though it might serve to explain why you are throwing 200 million at a problem that costs 400.

Carry on, though, Ebil democrats.
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