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1/29/2016 2:03:34 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
This phrase is the reason I call out racism when I see it - because I see many people use their black friends or acquaintances as excuses or reasons that they can't be racist and I'm not trying to be that "friend."

By that same logic, I could say "I'm not black, I have racist friends." See how that works?

There have been a number of research studies that suggest people become more racist or endorse more racist things when they believe they've reached some goal of equality.

For example, one study found that support for social justice decreased after Obama's election:
Kaiser, C. R., Drury, B. J., Spalding, K. E., Cheryan, S., & O"Brien, L. T. (2009). The ironic consequences of Obama"s election: Decreased sup- port for social justice. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 45, 556"559. doi:10.1016/j.jesp.2009.01.006

Another (experimental) study found that as people believed themselves to be less racist, the further they sat from a Black confederate and the less they intimate they were with a Black confederate - not only that, but the closer they sat to a white confederate:
Mann, N. H., & Kawakami, K. (2011, September 19). The Long, Steep Path to Equality: Progressing on Egalitarian Goals. Journal of Experimental Psychology: General. Advance
online publication. doi: 10.1037/a0025602

Explanations for this include goal theory (if you feel you've reached a goal, you spend less cognitive resources to attain that goal and put them toward another goal) and just the fact that these prejudices are hammered into us and it takes work to combat them.

Other works have discussed how "White liberals" or progressives can often be very damaging contributors to racism:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

Moral of the story: let's stop being lazy if we really care about equality or social justice and let's stop copping out with the "I have a black/gay/etc friend" excuse. Also - I am not your black friend!
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1/29/2016 2:57:27 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 2:03:34 AM, lamerde wrote:

You also see a lot of the variant of "It's not racist, a black person supports it."
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1/29/2016 3:09:25 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 2:57:27 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/29/2016 2:03:34 AM, lamerde wrote:

You also see a lot of the variant of "It's not racist, a black person supports it."

Yep. Morgan Freeman is the worst for that. White liberals love quoting him.

As if black people can't be diverse and can't internalize racism. As if there aren't implicit or explicit rewards for famous black people who say crazy sh!t (looking at Stacy Dash and Raven).
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1/29/2016 3:27:08 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 2:48:05 AM, Wylted wrote:
I fvcked like three different black chicks, so I think that makes me not racist.

Depends on the pillow talk.
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1/29/2016 3:31:44 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 3:09:25 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/29/2016 2:57:27 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/29/2016 2:03:34 AM, lamerde wrote:

You also see a lot of the variant of "It's not racist, a black person supports it."

Yep. Morgan Freeman is the worst for that. White liberals love quoting him.

As if black people can't be diverse and can't internalize racism. As if there aren't implicit or explicit rewards for famous black people who say crazy sh!t (looking at Stacy Dash and Raven).

That's extremely ignorant that you're saying Morgan Freeman internalizes racism, because you disagree with his views. I guess this is your equivalent of the typical liberal racist accusation, somebody is an uncle Tom because they don't hold views you support.
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1/29/2016 3:33:57 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 3:27:08 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/29/2016 2:48:05 AM, Wylted wrote:
I fvcked like three different black chicks, so I think that makes me not racist.

Depends on the pillow talk.

You have no ideal how much I fantasize about hate sex. I really want some angry racist black chick to sexually assault me to teach me a lesson.
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1/29/2016 3:36:03 AM
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Ben Carson is a Republican sonI guess he is some self hating uncle Tom Nigger. Fvck that guy for not having views that his liberal masters have approved for him.
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1/29/2016 3:39:16 AM
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I love quoting MLK. I guess I'm racist for quoting a black dude. The guy is a no good socialist, but dam it, he hot the nail on the head, with a bunch of his opinions.
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1/29/2016 3:41:03 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 3:27:08 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/29/2016 2:48:05 AM, Wylted wrote:
I fvcked like three different black chicks, so I think that makes me not racist.

Depends on the pillow talk.

How many bla k chicks do I have to fvck to not ve racist, if I skip the pillow talk. Now keep in mind I'm fvcking for my race, so they're getting great orgasms.
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1/29/2016 3:41:53 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 3:31:44 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/29/2016 3:09:25 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/29/2016 2:57:27 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/29/2016 2:03:34 AM, lamerde wrote:

As if black people can't be diverse and can't internalize racism.

That's extremely ignorant that you're saying Morgan Freeman internalizes racism, because you disagree with his views. I guess this is your equivalent of the typical liberal racist accusation, somebody is an uncle Tom because they don't hold views you support.

Good thing I said two things there and joined it with an "and." Morgan Freeman can fall under the category of Black people who are diverse.
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1/29/2016 3:43:10 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 3:41:53 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/29/2016 3:31:44 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 1/29/2016 3:09:25 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/29/2016 2:57:27 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/29/2016 2:03:34 AM, lamerde wrote:

As if black people can't be diverse and can't internalize racism.

That's extremely ignorant that you're saying Morgan Freeman internalizes racism, because you disagree with his views. I guess this is your equivalent of the typical liberal racist accusation, somebody is an uncle Tom because they don't hold views you support.

Good thing I said two things there and joined it with an "and." Morgan Freeman can fall under the category of Black people who are diverse.

Oh cool. So is Ben Carson an uncle Tom?
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1/29/2016 3:44:59 AM
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At 1/29/2016 3:43:10 AM, Wylted wrote:

Oh cool. So is Ben Carson an uncle Tom?

I don't give a fvck about U.S. politics, and especially not to the extent to give any fvcks about some random dude who is not and will never be your president.
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1/29/2016 3:49:05 AM
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At 1/29/2016 3:44:59 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/29/2016 3:43:10 AM, Wylted wrote:

Oh cool. So is Ben Carson an uncle Tom?

I don't give a fvck about U.S. politics, and especially not to the extent to give any fvcks about some random dude who is not and will never be your president.

Well hopefully someday this country can move past racism so we can have a black president instead of some mixed dude raised by crackers, and thinks like a cracker. Am I right? Shouldn't America elect a black president instead of a bunch of crackers or crackers disguised as negroes?
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1/29/2016 3:51:26 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 2:57:27 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 1/29/2016 2:03:34 AM, lamerde wrote:

You also see a lot of the variant of "It's not racist, a black person supports it."

Does I'm not racist my wife is black work?

Given the amount of people who end up hating their wives, it could make you more racist to marry a black chick huh?
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1/29/2016 3:52:35 AM
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For anyone coming across this thread via Google, Wylted is a troll, so.
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1/29/2016 4:01:31 AM
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Btw if you Google the "doi" of the articles I posted, it will take you to the article and abstract.
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1/29/2016 4:04:13 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 2:03:34 AM, lamerde wrote:
This phrase is the reason I call out racism when I see it - because I see many people use their black friends or acquaintances as excuses or reasons that they can't be racist and I'm not trying to be that "friend."

By that same logic, I could say "I'm not black, I have racist friends." See how that works?

There have been a number of research studies that suggest people become more racist or endorse more racist things when they believe they've reached some goal of equality.

For example, one study found that support for social justice decreased after Obama's election:
Kaiser, C. R., Drury, B. J., Spalding, K. E., Cheryan, S., & O"Brien, L. T. (2009). The ironic consequences of Obama"s election: Decreased sup- port for social justice. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 45, 556"559. doi:10.1016/j.jesp.2009.01.006

Another (experimental) study found that as people believed themselves to be less racist, the further they sat from a Black confederate and the less they intimate they were with a Black confederate - not only that, but the closer they sat to a white confederate:
Mann, N. H., & Kawakami, K. (2011, September 19). The Long, Steep Path to Equality: Progressing on Egalitarian Goals. Journal of Experimental Psychology: General. Advance
online publication. doi: 10.1037/a0025602

Explanations for this include goal theory (if you feel you've reached a goal, you spend less cognitive resources to attain that goal and put them toward another goal) and just the fact that these prejudices are hammered into us and it takes work to combat them.

Other works have discussed how "White liberals" or progressives can often be very damaging contributors to racism:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

Moral of the story: let's stop being lazy if we really care about equality or social justice and let's stop copping out with the "I have a black/gay/etc friend" excuse. Also - I am not your black friend!

Funny how people need to justify their lack of racism by having a colored friend, and how blacks are never called upon to do the same by having a white friend. Racism is two lanes.
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1/29/2016 4:10:26 AM
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To be honest with you, I have a handful of black friends who associate with the Black Israelite movement. These guys are blatantly racist and I love them to death. I think that we need to stop being racist against racists. Blacks and whites can continue to hate each other and get along just fine. We should just use are mutual hate of the Jew to unite each other. This is why I don't have enemies, I unite with them over out mutual hate of something, usually the government or the Jews.
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1/29/2016 4:28:44 AM
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So, according to this Huff Post article...denying you're a racist is a microagression?
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1/29/2016 4:38:54 AM
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At 1/29/2016 4:28:44 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
So, according to this Huff Post article...denying you're a racist is a microagression?

Where does it say that?

It says denial of seeing colour is a microinvalidation (research does indicate that colourblind ideology predicts stronger stereotypes among whites*)

It also says that defensiveness is not productive. If someone is talking about racism as a construct and your response is "but I'm not racist," that is not productive.

*http://digitalcommons.unomaha.edu...
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1/29/2016 4:40:17 AM
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So, according to this Huff Post article...denying you're a racist is a microagression?

Not a microaggression! A "microinvalidation." But yeah, the article is political correctness gone mad. The fact that any defense whatsoever of an accusation of racism is apparently invalidated by "microinvalidations" to these people is completely absurd, because if that can be waived away so easily, then literally anything you do can probably be seen as racist.
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1/29/2016 4:42:13 AM
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At 1/29/2016 4:38:54 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/29/2016 4:28:44 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
So, according to this Huff Post article...denying you're a racist is a microagression?

Where does it say that?

It says denial of seeing colour is a microinvalidation (research does indicate that colourblind ideology predicts stronger stereotypes among whites*)

It also says that defensiveness is not productive. If someone is talking about racism as a construct and your response is "but I'm not racist," that is not productive.

*http://digitalcommons.unomaha.edu...

"You say to yourself: 'I'm not perpetuating racism, and I'm certainly not invalidating people of color. Donald Trump may be, but not me.'

That's what I used to think. But, right there, you're committing a microinvalidation. It's called Denial."
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1/29/2016 4:42:21 AM
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To be honest with you, I have a handful of black friends who associate with the Black Israelite movement. These guys are blatantly racist and I love them to death. I think that we need to stop being racist against racists. Blacks and whites can continue to hate each other and get along just fine. We should just use are mutual hate of the Jew to unite each other. This is why I don't have enemies, I unite with them over out mutual hate of something, usually the government or the Jews.

Well the other Jews are just really Khazars. The black hebrew Israelites are the real Jews
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1/29/2016 4:42:52 AM
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No one has any comment on the Psychology articles re: white (and I think in one study, also Asian) people exhibiting more implicit bias toward black people when they believe they've reached an egalitarian goal?
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1/29/2016 4:46:18 AM
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At 1/29/2016 4:42:13 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/29/2016 4:38:54 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/29/2016 4:28:44 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
So, according to this Huff Post article...denying you're a racist is a microagression?

Where does it say that?

It says denial of seeing colour is a microinvalidation (research does indicate that colourblind ideology predicts stronger stereotypes among whites*)

It also says that defensiveness is not productive. If someone is talking about racism as a construct and your response is "but I'm not racist," that is not productive.

*http://digitalcommons.unomaha.edu...

"You say to yourself: 'I'm not perpetuating racism, and I'm certainly not invalidating people of color. Donald Trump may be, but not me.'

That's what I used to think. But, right there, you're committing a microinvalidation. It's called Denial."

How does this passage equate to "denying you're a racist is a microaggression"?

Let's look at the whole part:

Microinvalidations are momentary acts that serve to invalidate the very people of color we care about. These unconscious interactions perpetuate the hopelessness many African-Americans, Latinos, Native Americans, and other people of color, feel in this country.

Many of you may stop reading now, thinking, "Here we go with the political correctness." You say to yourself: "I'm not perpetuating racism, and I'm certainly not invalidating people of color. Donald Trump may be, but not me."


I think it's saying that the unwillingness to engage in the discussion when talking about microinvalidations by reading about microinvalidations and immediately thinking "here we go again with the political correctness" is in and of itself a microinvalidtation.
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1/29/2016 4:47:23 AM
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At 1/29/2016 4:38:54 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/29/2016 4:28:44 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
So, according to this Huff Post article...denying you're a racist is a microagression?

Where does it say that?

It says denial of seeing colour is a microinvalidation (research does indicate that colourblind ideology predicts stronger stereotypes among whites*)

I think your right about this. My sister is raising a black girl (my niece:)), and she completely ignores the subject of race at all. This girl is surrounded by white people all day, all her dolls are white, and all the media she consumes is white. I think what my sister is doing is extremely harmful, so everytime I get a chance (and I don't get many), I try to get some time alone with the girl so she can talk about anything she wants. The girl is learning about race whether my sister likes it or not, all her little crushes are black boys, while white boys are platonic friends (for example). Now that I think about it, I habe to buy this girl a few black skinned dolls, I know she'll love them, I'm just worried my sister will be annoyed if I buy her a black doll and her sister a white one or something.

It also says that defensiveness is not productive. If someone is talking about racism as a construct and your response is "but I'm not racist," that is not productive.

*http://digitalcommons.unomaha.edu...
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1/29/2016 4:49:26 AM
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At 1/29/2016 4:42:21 AM, thett3 wrote:
At 1/29/2016 4:10:26 AM, Wylted wrote:
To be honest with you, I have a handful of black friends who associate with the Black Israelite movement. These guys are blatantly racist and I love them to death. I think that we need to stop being racist against racists. Blacks and whites can continue to hate each other and get along just fine. We should just use are mutual hate of the Jew to unite each other. This is why I don't have enemies, I unite with them over out mutual hate of something, usually the government or the Jews.

Well the other Jews are just really Khazars. The black hebrew Israelites are the real Jews

Yeah, I have no problem with the real Jews, just Khazars who were mentioned in revelation as the black jews are so happy to point out.
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1/29/2016 4:49:51 AM
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At 1/29/2016 4:46:18 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/29/2016 4:42:13 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/29/2016 4:38:54 AM, lamerde wrote:
At 1/29/2016 4:28:44 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
So, according to this Huff Post article...denying you're a racist is a microagression?

Where does it say that?

It says denial of seeing colour is a microinvalidation (research does indicate that colourblind ideology predicts stronger stereotypes among whites*)

It also says that defensiveness is not productive. If someone is talking about racism as a construct and your response is "but I'm not racist," that is not productive.

*http://digitalcommons.unomaha.edu...

"You say to yourself: 'I'm not perpetuating racism, and I'm certainly not invalidating people of color. Donald Trump may be, but not me.'

That's what I used to think. But, right there, you're committing a microinvalidation. It's called Denial."

How does this passage equate to "denying you're a racist is a microaggression"?

Let's look at the whole part:

Microinvalidations are momentary acts that serve to invalidate the very people of color we care about. These unconscious interactions perpetuate the hopelessness many African-Americans, Latinos, Native Americans, and other people of color, feel in this country.

Many of you may stop reading now, thinking, "Here we go with the political correctness." You say to yourself: "I'm not perpetuating racism, and I'm certainly not invalidating people of color. Donald Trump may be, but not me."


I think it's saying that the unwillingness to engage in the discussion when talking about microinvalidations by reading about microinvalidations and immediately thinking "here we go again with the political correctness" is in and of itself a microinvalidtation.

Then questioning the concept is a microinvalidation.
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