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1/29/2016 9:11:13 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Alright, so lots of folks on DDO have attacked LSD, in large part because they know nothing about the drug. This is my defense of the drug, written specifically for all you naysayers.

I'll start with how LSD works. It functions basically like a neurotransmitter. Turns out that it has a very similar structure to serotonin, so it binds to serotonin receptors. Serotonin is a neurotransmitter that is implicated in our sensory and emotional processing. But LSD signaling is much stronger than serotonin. So it ends up transmitting/modulating much more information than normal. This ultimately ends up causing hallucinations - hearing, seeing, touching, tasting things that aren't there. Think about it like turning up the volume on quiet music. Certain things that previously weren't audible become audible. But at the same time, certain notes becomes so loud that you are no longer able to differentiate them. This combination of effects is responsible for much of what happens while you're on LSD. The other cool thing about LSD is that it increases the "cross-talk" between different parts of your brain. In other words, parts of your brain that ordinarily don't communicate with each other start communicating. This leads to stuff like synesthesia (e.g. hearing colors).

The whole experience also leads to a massive paradigm shift in your cognitive thinking. Nobody quite understands why or how that happens, though it seems to be connected with the enhanced experience of senses/emotions and the increased cross-talk. Either way, the experience has immense intellectual, artistic, psychological, and spiritual benefits. It has the potential not only to accelerate psychotherapy (studies show that it's extremely beneficial to treating a range of psychological problems) but also to advance scientific progress and foster unique contributions to our cultural life. In fact, LSD has already facilitated important discoveries. Molecular biologist Kary Mullis received the Nobel Prize for his development of the polymerase chain reaction, a technique the allows the amplification of specific DNA sequences. And Mullis attributed his accomplishment to insights from his experience with LSD. Perhaps more significantly, Francis Crick (known as the father of modern genetics) was under the influence of LSD when he discovered the double-helix structure of DNA. He often spoke about microdosing on LSD to boost his brainpower, and he said it was LSD that helped him unravel the structure of DNA, eventually winning him the Nobel prize.

These are only two examples but there are many more. Most of the physicists I know (and I know a lot, at various major universities across the US) microdose on LSD; all of them say the same thing, that it helps them work through problems that they haven't been able to figure out without drugs. Michel Foucault, a name that gets tossed around on DDO pretty often, tried LSD precisely once; it marked a major turn in his philosophical work. He described it to be the most important intellectual experience in his life. Similarly, Steve Jobs said that taking LSD was among the two most important things he did in his entire life. Mark Pesce, the co-inventor of virtual reality's coding language, VRML, said the following: "the people behind virtual reality were acidheads." And this is only in the world of science/philosophy. Artists, musicians, writers have all given LSD credit for helping them break through creative blocks. Painters who participated in LSD research during the 60s often said their imagination become much richer, as it allowed them to reach into deep recesses of the unconscious psyche and tap new sources of inspiration. And, of course, psychotherapists have used LSD with great effect. There isn't space here to go over all the different types of LSD therapies that have been proven effective for treatment of various mental problems, because there have simply been so many such studies. In short, LSD has revolutionized the world and our understanding of the human psyche.

Despite all these benefits, lots of folks say it's too harmful/risky to ever be worth taking. What are the risks/harms? As far as I know, there are virtually none. Or at least there are no risks that should be given any weight, in the sense that lots of things we do everyday pose significantly more risk than taking LSD with far fewer benefits. As other LSD defenders have said, using LSD is safer than riding a bike. Unlike cocaine or heroin, it's not addictive. And unlike MDMA or cannabis, it isn't remotely neurotoxic (MDMA-mediated oxidative stress has the potential to destroy serotonin receptors, but LSD doesn't have that problem). Someone on DDO (can't remember who, may have been more than one person) says it causes mental illness. But there is no evidence for that whatsoever. None. On the contrary, a quick search on google turns up the following two studies:

http://jop.sagepub.com...
https://www.ntnu.edu...

The first, looking at 190,000 respondents in the US, suggests that that those who use classic psychedelics (LSD being the primary one) have less psychological distress and suicidality. It also cites a number of studies showing that LSD use has led to lasting improvements on mental health. The second study looked at a population of 135,000 and found no correlation between lifetime use of LSD and mental illness, and on the contrary, it shows that in some cases, LSD use appears to have decreased the incidence of mental illness. Another study that compared the harms caused by various drugs (see http://www.sg.unimaas.nl...) says that LSD is less harmful than cocaine, heroin, tobacco, alcohol, cannabis, and basically every other drug, with the exception of mushrooms. Now, of course some folks who have taken LSD have become mentally ill. But so have lots of folks who haven't taken LSD or any drugs. Point is, some folks are going to become mentally ill whether they take drugs or not. The most recent research on LSD has shown that it has helped decrease anxiety in end-of-life patients (see https://www.maps.org...). It would be absurd to argue, at this point, that LSD doesn't have great psychological benefits when done in treatment settings, and that it also appears to have no correlation with mental illness when done recreationally.

Yet another common misconception about LSD is the idea that it stays in the body and causes hallucinatory flashbacks. That has been entirely debunked. LSD is completely filtered through the body. It's true that some drugs may leave residues in spinal fluid, but LSD isn't among these drugs. It completely leaves the body after use. A review of all the data on HPPD (hallucinogen persisting perception disorder) found that previous studies on the condition hadn't didn't establish any causal relationship between LSD and HPPD (see https://www.erowid.org...). Rather, the results seem to suggest that the main explanation for HPPD aren't related to LSD use. And indeed, the study notes that despite millions of doses of LSD consumed by millions of individuals since the 60s, extremely few reported cases of HPPD have appeared.

So, those seem to be the two main worries about LSD. Neither of them are remotely compelling reasons to not do LSD, insofar as there's virtually no evidence that they are real risks. With all the potential benefits, why wouldn't you do LSD? Why would you continue keeping it illegal? I'd like to hear why anyone on DDO thinks LSD should nonetheless remain illegal, or why/how it is net harmful to individuals who take it.
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1/29/2016 9:12:19 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 9:11:13 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
Alright, so lots of folks on DDO have attacked LSD, in large part because they know nothing about the drug. This is my defense of the drug, written specifically for all you naysayers.

I'll start with how LSD works. It functions basically like a neurotransmitter. Turns out that it has a very similar structure to serotonin, so it binds to serotonin receptors. Serotonin is a neurotransmitter that is implicated in our sensory and emotional processing. But LSD signaling is much stronger than serotonin. So it ends up transmitting/modulating much more information than normal. This ultimately ends up causing hallucinations - hearing, seeing, touching, tasting things that aren't there. Think about it like turning up the volume on quiet music. Certain things that previously weren't audible become audible. But at the same time, certain notes becomes so loud that you are no longer able to differentiate them. This combination of effects is responsible for much of what happens while you're on LSD. The other cool thing about LSD is that it increases the "cross-talk" between different parts of your brain. In other words, parts of your brain that ordinarily don't communicate with each other start communicating. This leads to stuff like synesthesia (e.g. hearing colors).

The whole experience also leads to a massive paradigm shift in your cognitive thinking. Nobody quite understands why or how that happens, though it seems to be connected with the enhanced experience of senses/emotions and the increased cross-talk. Either way, the experience has immense intellectual, artistic, psychological, and spiritual benefits. It has the potential not only to accelerate psychotherapy (studies show that it's extremely beneficial to treating a range of psychological problems) but also to advance scientific progress and foster unique contributions to our cultural life. In fact, LSD has already facilitated important discoveries. Molecular biologist Kary Mullis received the Nobel Prize for his development of the polymerase chain reaction, a technique the allows the amplification of specific DNA sequences. And Mullis attributed his accomplishment to insights from his experience with LSD. Perhaps more significantly, Francis Crick (known as the father of modern genetics) was under the influence of LSD when he discovered the double-helix structure of DNA. He often spoke about microdosing on LSD to boost his brainpower, and he said it was LSD that helped him unravel the structure of DNA, eventually winning him the Nobel prize.

These are only two examples but there are many more. Most of the physicists I know (and I know a lot, at various major universities across the US) microdose on LSD; all of them say the same thing, that it helps them work through problems that they haven't been able to figure out without drugs. Michel Foucault, a name that gets tossed around on DDO pretty often, tried LSD precisely once; it marked a major turn in his philosophical work. He described it to be the most important intellectual experience in his life. Similarly, Steve Jobs said that taking LSD was among the two most important things he did in his entire life. Mark Pesce, the co-inventor of virtual reality's coding language, VRML, said the following: "the people behind virtual reality were acidheads." And this is only in the world of science/philosophy. Artists, musicians, writers have all given LSD credit for helping them break through creative blocks. Painters who participated in LSD research during the 60s often said their imagination become much richer, as it allowed them to reach into deep recesses of the unconscious psyche and tap new sources of inspiration. And, of course, psychotherapists have used LSD with great effect. There isn't space here to go over all the different types of LSD therapies that have been proven effective for treatment of various mental problems, because there have simply been so many such studies. In short, LSD has revolutionized the world and our understanding of the human psyche.

Despite all these benefits, lots of folks say it's too harmful/risky to ever be worth taking. What are the risks/harms? As far as I know, there are virtually none. Or at least there are no risks that should be given any weight, in the sense that lots of things we do everyday pose significantly more risk than taking LSD with far fewer benefits. As other LSD defenders have said, using LSD is safer than riding a bike. Unlike cocaine or heroin, it's not addictive. And unlike MDMA or cannabis, it isn't remotely neurotoxic (MDMA-mediated oxidative stress has the potential to destroy serotonin receptors, but LSD doesn't have that problem). Someone on DDO (can't remember who, may have been more than one person) says it causes mental illness. But there is no evidence for that whatsoever. None. On the contrary, a quick search on google turns up the following two studies:

http://jop.sagepub.com...
https://www.ntnu.edu...

The first, looking at 190,000 respondents in the US, suggests that that those who use classic psychedelics (LSD being the primary one) have less psychological distress and suicidality. It also cites a number of studies showing that LSD use has led to lasting improvements on mental health. The second study looked at a population of 135,000 and found no correlation between lifetime use of LSD and mental illness, and on the contrary, it shows that in some cases, LSD use appears to have decreased the incidence of mental illness. Another study that compared the harms caused by various drugs (see http://www.sg.unimaas.nl...) says that LSD is less harmful than cocaine, heroin, tobacco, alcohol, cannabis, and basically every other drug, with the exception of mushrooms. Now, of course some folks who have taken LSD have become mentally ill. But so have lots of folks who haven't taken LSD or any drugs. Point is, some folks are going to become mentally ill whether they take drugs or not. The most recent research on LSD has shown that it has helped decrease anxiety in end-of-life patients (see https://www.maps.org...). It would be absurd to argue, at this point, that LSD doesn't have great psychological benefits when done in treatment settings, and that it also appears to have no correlation with mental illness when done recreationally.

Yet another common misconception about LSD is the idea that it stays in the body and causes hallucinatory flashbacks. That has been entirely debunked. LSD is completely filtered through the body. It's true that some drugs may leave residues in spinal fluid, but LSD isn't among these drugs. It completely leaves the body after use. A review of all the data on HPPD (hallucinogen persisting perception disorder) found that previous studies on the condition hadn't didn't establish any causal relationship between LSD and HPPD (see https://www.erowid.org...). Rather, the results seem to suggest that the main explanation for HPPD aren't related to LSD use. And indeed, the study notes that despite millions of doses of LSD consumed by millions of individuals since the 60s, extremely few reported cases of HPPD have appeared.

So, those seem to be the two main worries about LSD. Neither of them are remotely compelling reasons to not do LSD, insofar as there's virtually no evidence that they are real risks. With all the potential benefits, why wouldn't you do LSD? Why would you continue keeping it illegal? I'd like to hear why anyone on DDO thinks LSD should nonetheless remain illegal, or why/how it is net harmful to individuals who take it.

Oh, I thought this was going to be a video and/or description of you on LSD.
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1/29/2016 9:13:16 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 9:12:19 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, I thought this was going to be a video and/or description of you on LSD.

lol... I'll add a description later...
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1/29/2016 9:25:09 PM
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At 1/29/2016 9:13:16 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 1/29/2016 9:12:19 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, I thought this was going to be a video and/or description of you on LSD.

lol... I'll add a description later...

You know that's what we're all after ;) lol
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1/29/2016 9:26:34 PM
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At 1/29/2016 9:11:13 PM, FourTrouble wrote:

Despite all these benefits, lots of folks say it's too harmful/risky to ever be worth taking. What are the risks/harms? As far as I know, there are virtually none. Or at least there are no risks that should be given any weight, in the sense that lots of things we do everyday pose significantly more risk than taking LSD with far fewer benefits. As other LSD defenders have said, using LSD is safer than riding a bike. Unlike cocaine or heroin, it's not addictive. And unlike MDMA or cannabis, it isn't remotely neurotoxic (MDMA-mediated oxidative stress has the potential to destroy serotonin receptors, but LSD doesn't have that problem). Someone on DDO (can't remember who, may have been more than one person) says it causes mental illness. But there is no evidence for that whatsoever. None. On the contrary, a quick search on google turns up the following two studies:

That was hilarious.

You must have just taken LSD if you think their are no harmful effects.

Studies show that the user may experience extreme changes in mood, feel several different emotions at once, or swing rapidly from one emotion to another. If taken in large enough doses, the drug produces delusions and visual hallucinations. Tell me how this is not dangerous? Especially if you're around with other people, whom you may harm. Tell me that people who have taken LSD haven't driven while on the drug, because that would be a load of sh*t.

"The user may also suffer impaired depth and time perception, with distorted perception of the size and shape of objects, movements, color, sound, touch and own body image" Sounds like a good way to kill yourself (or others) in a car wreck.

LSD is also known to cause hallucinations. "LSD, the ability to make sensible judgments and see common dangers is impaired, making the user susceptible to personal injury, which can be fatal. After an LSD trip, the user may suffer acute anxiety or depression, and may also experience flashbacks, which are recurrences of the effects of LSD days or even months after taking the last dose. A flashback occurs suddenly, often without warning, usually in people who use hallucinogens chronically or have an underlying personality problem."

"LSD produces tolerance, so some users who take the drug repeatedly must take progressively higher doses to achieve the state of intoxication that they had previously achieved. This is an extremely dangerous practice, given the unpredictability of the drug."

(http://www.drugs.com...)

Something even worse--People *can* die from LSD. Suicides caused by LSD use have been reported and have received sensational media attention since the 1950s.

This post is utter bullsh*t. I mean seriously its the effects that LSD has on you, to make you do crazy dangerous sh*t that can either hurt you significantly, or hurt others.
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1/29/2016 9:26:58 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 9:25:09 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 1/29/2016 9:13:16 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 1/29/2016 9:12:19 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, I thought this was going to be a video and/or description of you on LSD.

lol... I'll add a description later...

You know that's what we're all after ;) lol

back off
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1/29/2016 9:32:08 PM
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At 1/29/2016 9:26:34 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Studies show that the user may experience extreme changes in mood, feel several different emotions at once, or swing rapidly from one emotion to another. If taken in large enough doses, the drug produces delusions and visual hallucinations. Tell me how this is not dangerous? Especially if you're around with other people, whom you may harm. Tell me that people who have taken LSD haven't driven while on the drug, because that would be a load of sh*t.

That's the whole point - to experience an altered state of consciousness. It's not dangerous when done properly, in the right setting, with the right people around.

"The user may also suffer impaired depth and time perception, with distorted perception of the size and shape of objects, movements, color, sound, touch and own body image" Sounds like a good way to kill yourself (or others) in a car wreck.

Woah, I never said anything about driving while on LSD. That'd be a massive waste of a trip. What you seem to have a problem with are certain circumstances in which someone might do LSD, not LSD itself. But I've never advocated using LSD stupidly, lol.

LSD is also known to cause hallucinations. "LSD, the ability to make sensible judgments and see common dangers is impaired, making the user susceptible to personal injury, which can be fatal. After an LSD trip, the user may suffer acute anxiety or depression, and may also experience flashbacks, which are recurrences of the effects of LSD days or even months after taking the last dose. A flashback occurs suddenly, often without warning, usually in people who use hallucinogens chronically or have an underlying personality problem."

I addressed this flashback myth already, as well as the idea that it somehow increases mental illness. Both are urban myths, nothing more.

"LSD produces tolerance, so some users who take the drug repeatedly must take progressively higher doses to achieve the state of intoxication that they had previously achieved. This is an extremely dangerous practice, given the unpredictability of the drug."

This is technically untrue. The more LSD you do doesn't make its effects stronger after a certain point (I think it's 500 micrograms or something like that). Whoever wrote this article seriously doesn't understand how brain chemistry works.

Something even worse--People *can* die from LSD. Suicides caused by LSD use have been reported and have received sensational media attention since the 1950s.

Again, an urban myth. From what I know, there have been like maybe 3 people, out of millions upon millions, who have ever died because of LSD.

This post is utter bullsh*t. I mean seriously its the effects that LSD has on you, to make you do crazy dangerous sh*t that can either hurt you significantly, or hurt others.

LSD doesn't make you do crazy dangerous sh!t. There's no basis for that statement.
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1/29/2016 9:32:30 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 9:26:58 PM, Rosalie wrote:
At 1/29/2016 9:25:09 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 1/29/2016 9:13:16 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 1/29/2016 9:12:19 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Oh, I thought this was going to be a video and/or description of you on LSD.

lol... I'll add a description later...

You know that's what we're all after ;) lol

back off

shush, don't get ur knickers in a twist. I mean. It's true, we want to hear about his personal experience.
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1/29/2016 9:36:22 PM
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I, btw, agree with pretty much everything ur saying FT. LSD was a wonderful experience for me the times I did it. I somehow became a competent visual artist in terms of drawing, painting, and the like. and I have like barely any talent for that any other time. It was shocking to me that it could draw, if you will, something like that out
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1/29/2016 9:37:49 PM
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At 1/29/2016 9:32:08 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 1/29/2016 9:26:34 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Studies show that the user may experience extreme changes in mood, feel several different emotions at once, or swing rapidly from one emotion to another. If taken in large enough doses, the drug produces delusions and visual hallucinations. Tell me how this is not dangerous? Especially if you're around with other people, whom you may harm. Tell me that people who have taken LSD haven't driven while on the drug, because that would be a load of sh*t.

That's the whole point - to experience an altered state of consciousness. It's not dangerous when done properly, in the right setting, with the right people around.

"The user may also suffer impaired depth and time perception, with distorted perception of the size and shape of objects, movements, color, sound, touch and own body image" Sounds like a good way to kill yourself (or others) in a car wreck.

Woah, I never said anything about driving while on LSD. That'd be a massive waste of a trip. What you seem to have a problem with are certain circumstances in which someone might do LSD, not LSD itself. But I've never advocated using LSD stupidly, lol.

LSD is also known to cause hallucinations. "LSD, the ability to make sensible judgments and see common dangers is impaired, making the user susceptible to personal injury, which can be fatal. After an LSD trip, the user may suffer acute anxiety or depression, and may also experience flashbacks, which are recurrences of the effects of LSD days or even months after taking the last dose. A flashback occurs suddenly, often without warning, usually in people who use hallucinogens chronically or have an underlying personality problem."

I addressed this flashback myth already, as well as the idea that it somehow increases mental illness. Both are urban myths, nothing more.

"LSD produces tolerance, so some users who take the drug repeatedly must take progressively higher doses to achieve the state of intoxication that they had previously achieved. This is an extremely dangerous practice, given the unpredictability of the drug."

This is technically untrue. The more LSD you do doesn't make its effects stronger after a certain point (I think it's 500 micrograms or something like that). Whoever wrote this article seriously doesn't understand how brain chemistry works.

Something even worse--People *can* die from LSD. Suicides caused by LSD use have been reported and have received sensational media attention since the 1950s.

Again, an urban myth. From what I know, there have been like maybe 3 people, out of millions upon millions, who have ever died because of LSD.

This post is utter bullsh*t. I mean seriously its the effects that LSD has on you, to make you do crazy dangerous sh*t that can either hurt you significantly, or hurt others.

LSD doesn't make you do crazy dangerous sh!t. There's no basis for that statement.

You need to think a little deeper. Let me break it down for you. As stated previously

"The user may experience extreme changes in mood, feel several different emotions at once, or swing rapidly from one emotion to another. If taken in large enough doses, the drug produces delusions and visual hallucinations."

This is merely the same as being drunk. I mean, you think "I'm okay to drive, I'll be fine" and we both know that's never right. If you're drunk, and driving, your eye vision is impaired, and you may see things that aren't there, or over look something (like a child in the street). Whatever drunk you're on, you're not *all* there to make the right decision, and whatever decision you make, under any circumstance could be very, dangerous.
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1/29/2016 9:39:34 PM
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The idea that LSD increases the risk for mental illness is empirically disproven:

http://www.sciencedaily.com...

"The use of LSD, magic mushrooms, or peyote does not increase a person"s risk of developing mental health problems, according to an analysis of information from more than 130,000 randomly chosen people, including 22,000 people who had used psychedelics at least once. The researchers found no link between the use of psychedelic drugs and a range of mental health problems. Instead they found some significant associations between the use of psychedelic drugs and fewer mental health problems."
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1/29/2016 9:39:47 PM
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I know you linked to it, but I want to emphasis just how great of a resource Erowid is, in regards to a real look at drugs.
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1/29/2016 9:42:04 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 9:39:34 PM, spacetime wrote:
The idea that LSD increases the risk for mental illness is empirically disproven:

http://www.sciencedaily.com...

"The use of LSD, magic mushrooms, or peyote does not increase a person"s risk of developing mental health problems, according to an analysis of information from more than 130,000 randomly chosen people, including 22,000 people who had used psychedelics at least once. The researchers found no link between the use of psychedelic drugs and a range of mental health problems. Instead they found some significant associations between the use of psychedelic drugs and fewer mental health problems."

Correct.
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1/29/2016 9:42:33 PM
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It was like, I could feel the colors, It sounds cliche, but each color suddenly had an clear emotion that linked to it, and how I felt about what I was drawing or painting, severely affected what coloration I used, what shading I used, and the like.

Of course, knowing what I do know, I understand that colors illicit subconscious emotional responses, so it really is no surprise that it had that affect a couple times. Synthesesia I think is what that affect is called?
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1/29/2016 9:42:45 PM
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At 1/29/2016 9:37:49 PM, Rosalie wrote:
You need to think a little deeper. Let me break it down for you. As stated previously

"The user may experience extreme changes in mood, feel several different emotions at once, or swing rapidly from one emotion to another. If taken in large enough doses, the drug produces delusions and visual hallucinations."

This is merely the same as being drunk. I mean, you think "I'm okay to drive, I'll be fine" and we both know that's never right. If you're drunk, and driving, your eye vision is impaired, and you may see things that aren't there, or over look something (like a child in the street). Whatever drunk you're on, you're not *all* there to make the right decision, and whatever decision you make, under any circumstance could be very, dangerous.

So, you're saying alcohol is extremely harmful, so much so that its harms outweigh its benefits? Fine. I'll grant you that. Because alcohol is significantly more dangerous than LSD, in terms of how it impairs your judgment, and it has significantly less benefits. In fact, LSD doesn't "impair," it "enhances." You're simply wrong about the way it functions (again, I refer you to my discussion of the actual effect that LSD has on the brain). It's safety profile is unmatched by any legal drug, including alcohol.
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1/29/2016 9:43:35 PM
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However, the use of psychedelics can cause those predisposed to conditions like schizophrenia to experience symptoms of those conditions at an increased risk.

Shrooms are probably safe, though.
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1/29/2016 9:44:18 PM
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At 1/29/2016 9:42:33 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
It was like, I could feel the colors, It sounds cliche, but each color suddenly had an clear emotion that linked to it, and how I felt about what I was drawing or painting, severely affected what coloration I used, what shading I used, and the like.

Of course, knowing what I do know, I understand that colors illicit subconscious emotional responses, so it really is no surprise that it had that affect a couple times. Synthesesia I think is what that affect is called?

Synesthesia is a blending of the senses (e.g. hearing colors, or tasting musical notes). I'm not sure what you'd call the blending of emotions and specific sensory inputs,, but LSD definitely has that effect.
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1/29/2016 9:45:57 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 9:43:35 PM, YYW wrote:
However, the use of psychedelics can cause those predisposed to conditions like schizophrenia to experience symptoms of those conditions at an increased risk.

Psychedelics cause psychosis during the period that you are on the drug. After that, it depends on the drug. LSD is the safest, in terms of after-effects, because it leaves your physical brain chemistry (and the rest of your body) exactly how it was before your took the drug.

Shrooms are probably safe, though.

Shrooms are technically more neurotoxic than LSD. Pharmacologically, no drug has a safer profile than LSD.
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1/29/2016 9:47:04 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 9:44:18 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 1/29/2016 9:42:33 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
It was like, I could feel the colors, It sounds cliche, but each color suddenly had an clear emotion that linked to it, and how I felt about what I was drawing or painting, severely affected what coloration I used, what shading I used, and the like.

Of course, knowing what I do know, I understand that colors illicit subconscious emotional responses, so it really is no surprise that it had that affect a couple times. Synthesesia I think is what that affect is called?

Synesthesia is a blending of the senses (e.g. hearing colors, or tasting musical notes). I'm not sure what you'd call the blending of emotions and specific sensory inputs,, but LSD definitely has that effect.

It was, to say the least, a wonderful experience lol. For me it was 10/10 would do again and did, and would still do if ever having the chance where I knew someone selling it lol
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1/29/2016 9:48:55 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
I was expecting a post written while on LSD. I am disappoint.
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1/29/2016 9:50:53 PM
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At 1/29/2016 9:37:49 PM, Rosalie wrote:
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"The user may experience extreme changes in mood, feel several different emotions at once, or swing rapidly from one emotion to another. If taken in large enough doses, the drug produces delusions and visual hallucinations."

This is merely the same as being drunk. I mean, you think "I'm okay to drive, I'll be fine" and we both know that's never right. If you're drunk, and driving, your eye vision is impaired, and you may see things that aren't there, or over look something (like a child in the street). Whatever drunk you're on, you're not *all* there to make the right decision, and whatever decision you make, under any circumstance could be very, dangerous.

If you do LSD indoors and don't have anywhere else you need to be, then there's literally no chance that you'll somehow end up driving while high... what you're saying makes no sense.
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1/29/2016 9:54:29 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 9:42:45 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 1/29/2016 9:37:49 PM, Rosalie wrote:
You need to think a little deeper. Let me break it down for you. As stated previously

"The user may experience extreme changes in mood, feel several different emotions at once, or swing rapidly from one emotion to another. If taken in large enough doses, the drug produces delusions and visual hallucinations."

This is merely the same as being drunk. I mean, you think "I'm okay to drive, I'll be fine" and we both know that's never right. If you're drunk, and driving, your eye vision is impaired, and you may see things that aren't there, or over look something (like a child in the street). Whatever drunk you're on, you're not *all* there to make the right decision, and whatever decision you make, under any circumstance could be very, dangerous.

So, you're saying alcohol is extremely harmful, so much so that its harms outweigh its benefits? Fine. I'll grant you that. Because alcohol is significantly more dangerous than LSD, in terms of how it impairs your judgment, and it has significantly less benefits. In fact, LSD doesn't "impair," it "enhances." You're simply wrong about the way it functions (again, I refer you to my discussion of the actual effect that LSD has on the brain). It's safety profile is unmatched by any legal drug, including alcohol.

LMAO. You basically contradicted yourself.

-LSD can cause hallucinations, therfor your vision can be impaired.

"A visual hallucination is "the perception of an external visual stimulus where none exists".[3] Alternatively, a visual illusion is a distortion of a real external stimulus. Visual hallucinations are separated into simple and complex.
Simple visual hallucinations (SVH) are also referred to as non-formed visual hallucinations and elementary visual hallucinations. These terms refer to lights, colors, geometric shapes, and indiscrete objects. These can be further subdivided into phosphenes which are SVH without structure, and photopsias which are SVH with geometric structures.
Complex visual hallucinations (CVH) are also referred to as formed visual hallucinations. CVHs are clear, lifelike images or scenes such as people, animals, objects, etc."

Tell me how this *can't* be dangerous?
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1/29/2016 10:00:56 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 9:54:29 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Tell me how this *can't* be dangerous?

I didn't say it can't be dangerous. The point is that using it in the right setting, with the right people around, isn't dangerous. I've always been an advocate of having sitter for your first couple trips.
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1/29/2016 10:04:25 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 10:00:56 PM, FourTrouble wrote:
At 1/29/2016 9:54:29 PM, Rosalie wrote:
Tell me how this *can't* be dangerous?

I didn't say it can't be dangerous. The point is that using it in the right setting, with the right people around, isn't dangerous. I've always been an advocate of having sitter for your first couple trips.

Claims in the beginning "Despite all these benefits, lots of folks say it's too harmful/risky to ever be worth taking. What are the risks/harms? As far as I know, there are virtually none."

Now claiming he never said that ^^^^
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1/29/2016 10:08:01 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
People opposed to recreational drug usage seem to be under the impression that it completely strips you of your free will and original personality... it doesn't. If you're a generally stable person and you're doing drugs in a safe environment, you're not gonna magically turn into a violent criminal while high, lol. That's just a dumb misconception that people have.

To me, the main danger associated with drug usage is the threat of physiological addiction -- that's where the real harms come in, both on the individual and societal levels. But aside from that, it really isn't as bad as people make it out to be...
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1/29/2016 10:17:24 PM
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Just because LSD is dangerous to do while driving doesn't mean LSD is dangerous. Lot's of things that are safe to do on their own are dangerous to do while driving. Eating, for example, or talking on the phone, or doing your makeup. Road-head is surprisingly dangerous. It only takes one a$$hole to brake-check you to get a shaft full of teeth.

And that's why you shouldn't let your girl blow you while driving. Wait, what is this thread about, again?
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1/29/2016 10:22:07 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 10:17:24 PM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Just because LSD is dangerous to do while driving doesn't mean LSD is dangerous. Lot's of things that are safe to do on their own are dangerous to do while driving. Eating, for example, or talking on the phone, or doing your makeup. Road-head is surprisingly dangerous. It only takes one a$$hole to brake-check you to get a shaft full of teeth.

And that's why you shouldn't let your girl blow you while driving. Wait, what is this thread about, again?

Now it's certainly going to be a comprehensive analysis on the dangers of road-head
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1/30/2016 12:33:23 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/29/2016 10:05:22 PM, FourTrouble wrote:

I agree LSD is exaggerated, but you've admitted to doing things as crazy as heroin or crystal meth...