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2/1/2016 11:46:45 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
http://www.foxnews.com...

"Bruce Vento Elementary School, in St. Paul, has decided to stop celebrating Valentine"s Day along with other "dominant holidays" including Thanksgiving and Christmas."

This is because "Saint Paul Public Schools is a diverse district that is filled with families from around the world [and] we strive to respect all cultures and all students."

The principal claims to be respecting the views of others; however, this is hypocritical. By "respecting" the views of certain people, which happen to be the minority, this principe is disrespecting the views of others by preventing the exercise of these dominant, American holidays.

You are not required to participate in the celebration of a holiday. I don't celebrate Eid Al-Fitr or Kwanzaa, it is still recognized by the government, and their celebration is not banned because I might disagree with it -- and these are minority holidays!

So why then should a majority dominant holiday's celebration (more than 1, actually) be banned if people celebrate it? Some don't agree with their celebrations or traditions, but they don't have to celebrate them.

The banning of celebrations of any holiday, regardless of which one it is, is anti-freedom-of-speech and -expression, and is, in America (where this occurs), unconstitutional.

I personally think this stupid idiot of a principal ought to be fired, but no, the district is supporting this move. This makes me lament what the little ones are being taught in schools now: you can't celebrate this holiday because Ibrahim al Kuwaiti or Shanquisha might not like it.
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2/1/2016 11:49:31 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
lol

the funny thing is, immigrants hardly ever complain about Americans having different holidays than they do, it's something to be expected. This stuff is always 99% liberal white people trying to signal how tolerant and virtuous they are
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2/2/2016 12:04:17 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/1/2016 11:49:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
lol

the funny thing is, immigrants hardly ever complain about Americans having different holidays than they do, it's something to be expected. This stuff is always 99% liberal white people trying to signal how tolerant and virtuous they are

By showing how "tolerant" they are, they actually show how oppressive they are. This angers me, and it makes me wonder how anyone could be so stupid as to have this twisted mentality of equality.

There can never be true equality and lack of offense; someone will always be offended by something.
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2/2/2016 1:16:10 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
I'd at least try to figure out why the Principal made that decision.
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2/2/2016 1:28:44 AM
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All of those holidays are secularized anyway. Obviously the school shouldn't be teaching people that Jesus is the way and St. Sebastian represented the true religion, but no public school does that anyway. These holidays have secular value. This is dumb.
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2/2/2016 1:30:14 AM
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LOL, this same district banned students from celebrating their Birthdays in school because some kids could afford to bring in cupcakes (or some other treat) but others couldn't.
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2/2/2016 2:09:21 AM
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a) This seems silly, I don't get how valentine's day is disrespectful to other cultures.

b) The school is within its right to ban these holidays. We can roll our eyes all we want, but if a school decides it doesn't want to spend time and money on holidays...that's its prerogative.

c) If the local community is really bothered by this they should petition the school to change it. This seems like a local discussion on how to respect the community, the people on the ground know more about the situation than a fox news pundit.
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2/2/2016 7:00:31 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/2/2016 2:09:21 AM, Raisor wrote:
c) If the local community is really bothered by this they should petition the school to change it. This seems like a local discussion on how to respect the community, the people on the ground know more about the situation than a fox news pundit.

I think that it says something that less than 4% of the school is white, according to their demographics - and over 50% are learning English, according to some news source from the area. I don't think they'll miss Valentine's day. I also don't think the large number of students who had either come from Somalia in their lifetimes or are the children of those coming from Somalia will miss Thanksgiving or Christmas.
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2/2/2016 11:40:37 AM
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The public school has merely prevented the celebration of holidays within the school- since it's the school's money being used, etc, it's up to the school to do that. Students are free to celebrate holidays at home, but the school is under no obligation to celebrate holidays.

I mean, like Raisor said, I really don't see how celebrating Valentine's Day hurts cultures, but the school can do what it wants with its land and money.
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2/2/2016 12:59:46 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/2/2016 11:40:37 AM, tejretics wrote:
The public school has merely prevented the celebration of holidays within the school- since it's the school's money being used, etc, it's up to the school to do that. Students are free to celebrate holidays at home, but the school is under no obligation to celebrate holidays.

I mean, like Raisor said, I really don't see how celebrating Valentine's Day hurts cultures, but the school can do what it wants with its land and money.

It is Federal money, not the school's. The People pay for these schools via taxation. It is the People's money before anything else. Schools should act in the interest of the majority, not the minority.
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2/2/2016 1:00:49 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/2/2016 12:59:46 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 2/2/2016 11:40:37 AM, tejretics wrote:
The public school has merely prevented the celebration of holidays within the school- since it's the school's money being used, etc, it's up to the school to do that. Students are free to celebrate holidays at home, but the school is under no obligation to celebrate holidays.

I mean, like Raisor said, I really don't see how celebrating Valentine's Day hurts cultures, but the school can do what it wants with its land and money.

It is Federal money, not the school's. The People pay for these schools via taxation. It is the People's money before anything else. Schools should act in the interest of the majority, not the minority.

There's no law that says schools should celebrate holidays.
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2/2/2016 1:25:57 PM
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Which is why school holidays should be required by statute and not subject to the whims of individual schools.
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2/2/2016 2:06:08 PM
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At 2/2/2016 1:00:49 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 2/2/2016 12:59:46 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 2/2/2016 11:40:37 AM, tejretics wrote:
The public school has merely prevented the celebration of holidays within the school- since it's the school's money being used, etc, it's up to the school to do that. Students are free to celebrate holidays at home, but the school is under no obligation to celebrate holidays.

I mean, like Raisor said, I really don't see how celebrating Valentine's Day hurts cultures, but the school can do what it wants with its land and money.

It is Federal money, not the school's. The People pay for these schools via taxation. It is the People's money before anything else. Schools should act in the interest of the majority, not the minority.

There's no law that says schools should celebrate holidays.

But the limiting of expression is unconstitutional. Personal liberty cannot be curbed because some principal doesn't want to possibly offend 2 people.

Schools can only limit speech and expression under these circumstances:

1) Limit speech based on a reasonable expectation that it will cause a material and substantial disruption of school activities or invade the rights of others.

2) Prohibit obscene or vulgar language

3) Speech is a threat; it must be:
- Be perceived as a threat by others
- Be clear and convincing, causing others to believe it will be carried out
- Cause other students to fear for their safety

These holidays definitely do not do any of the above, and so their free practice cannot be banned.
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2/2/2016 2:06:27 PM
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At 2/2/2016 1:25:57 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
Which is why school holidays should be required by statute and not subject to the whims of individual schools.

Or school individuals.
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2/2/2016 2:21:11 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/2/2016 2:06:27 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 2/2/2016 1:25:57 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
Which is why school holidays should be required by statute and not subject to the whims of individual schools.

Or school individuals.

Yep.
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2/2/2016 3:02:15 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/1/2016 11:46:45 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com...

"Bruce Vento Elementary School, in St. Paul, has decided to stop celebrating Valentine"s Day along with other "dominant holidays" including Thanksgiving and Christmas."

This is because "Saint Paul Public Schools is a diverse district that is filled with families from around the world [and] we strive to respect all cultures and all students."

The principal claims to be respecting the views of others; however, this is hypocritical. By "respecting" the views of certain people, which happen to be the minority, this principe is disrespecting the views of others by preventing the exercise of these dominant, American holidays.

You are not required to participate in the celebration of a holiday. I don't celebrate Eid Al-Fitr or Kwanzaa, it is still recognized by the government, and their celebration is not banned because I might disagree with it -- and these are minority holidays!

So why then should a majority dominant holiday's celebration (more than 1, actually) be banned if people celebrate it? Some don't agree with their celebrations or traditions, but they don't have to celebrate them.

The banning of celebrations of any holiday, regardless of which one it is, is anti-freedom-of-speech and -expression, and is, in America (where this occurs), unconstitutional.

I personally think this stupid idiot of a principal ought to be fired, but no, the district is supporting this move. This makes me lament what the little ones are being taught in schools now: you can't celebrate this holiday because Ibrahim al Kuwaiti or Shanquisha might not like it.

Valentine's Day was a holiday?!
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2/2/2016 3:17:49 PM
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At 2/2/2016 3:02:15 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 2/1/2016 11:46:45 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com...

"Bruce Vento Elementary School, in St. Paul, has decided to stop celebrating Valentine"s Day along with other "dominant holidays" including Thanksgiving and Christmas."

This is because "Saint Paul Public Schools is a diverse district that is filled with families from around the world [and] we strive to respect all cultures and all students."

The principal claims to be respecting the views of others; however, this is hypocritical. By "respecting" the views of certain people, which happen to be the minority, this principe is disrespecting the views of others by preventing the exercise of these dominant, American holidays.

You are not required to participate in the celebration of a holiday. I don't celebrate Eid Al-Fitr or Kwanzaa, it is still recognized by the government, and their celebration is not banned because I might disagree with it -- and these are minority holidays!

So why then should a majority dominant holiday's celebration (more than 1, actually) be banned if people celebrate it? Some don't agree with their celebrations or traditions, but they don't have to celebrate them.

The banning of celebrations of any holiday, regardless of which one it is, is anti-freedom-of-speech and -expression, and is, in America (where this occurs), unconstitutional.

I personally think this stupid idiot of a principal ought to be fired, but no, the district is supporting this move. This makes me lament what the little ones are being taught in schools now: you can't celebrate this holiday because Ibrahim al Kuwaiti or Shanquisha might not like it.

Valentine's Day was a holiday?!

It is considered a holiday, yes.
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"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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2/3/2016 11:24:14 PM
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At 2/2/2016 12:04:17 AM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
At 2/1/2016 11:49:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
lol

the funny thing is, immigrants hardly ever complain about Americans having different holidays than they do, it's something to be expected. This stuff is always 99% liberal white people trying to signal how tolerant and virtuous they are

By showing how "tolerant" they are, they actually show how oppressive they are. This angers me, and it makes me wonder how anyone could be so stupid as to have this twisted mentality of equality.

Preach.

There can never be true equality and lack of offense; someone will always be offended by something.

Yep.
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2/3/2016 11:25:16 PM
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At 2/2/2016 1:30:14 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
LOL, this same district banned students from celebrating their Birthdays in school because some kids could afford to bring in cupcakes (or some other treat) but others couldn't.

Woooow.
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2/3/2016 11:30:25 PM
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At 2/1/2016 11:46:45 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com...

"Bruce Vento Elementary School, in St. Paul, has decided to stop celebrating Valentine"s Day along with other "dominant holidays" including Thanksgiving and Christmas."

This is because "Saint Paul Public Schools is a diverse district that is filled with families from around the world [and] we strive to respect all cultures and all students."

"To respect the views of other cultures, we should eliminate ours."

This is obviously true. From this, it follows that all cultures should eliminate their holidays in order to show respect for all other cultures. With no holidays, we can't oppress each other.

Whoever came up with this idea should be lauded. That person is, evidently, a genius!
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2/3/2016 11:34:34 PM
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At 2/3/2016 11:30:25 PM, PeacefulChaos wrote:
At 2/1/2016 11:46:45 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com...

"Bruce Vento Elementary School, in St. Paul, has decided to stop celebrating Valentine"s Day along with other "dominant holidays" including Thanksgiving and Christmas."

This is because "Saint Paul Public Schools is a diverse district that is filled with families from around the world [and] we strive to respect all cultures and all students."

"To respect the views of other cultures, we should eliminate ours."

This is obviously true. From this, it follows that all cultures should eliminate their holidays in order to show respect for all other cultures. With no holidays, we can't oppress each other.

Whoever came up with this idea should be lauded. That person is, evidently, a genius!

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. If not:

If we all eliminated our cultures, then there would be no culture.... How boring a world that would be.
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"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.
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2/3/2016 11:37:38 PM
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At 2/3/2016 11:34:34 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:

If we all eliminated our cultures, then there would be no culture.... How boring a world that would be.

Yes, I was being sarcastic.

Perhaps I should've been a bit more radical.
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2/3/2016 11:46:30 PM
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At 2/3/2016 11:37:38 PM, PeacefulChaos wrote:
At 2/3/2016 11:34:34 PM, The-Voice-of-Truth wrote:

If we all eliminated our cultures, then there would be no culture.... How boring a world that would be.

Yes, I was being sarcastic.

Perhaps I should've been a bit more radical.

Oh, OK, lol. I'm not good at picking up that kind of stuff online -- and you wouldn't believe the idiots out there.
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"Because we all know who the most important snowflake in the wasteland is... It's YOU, champ! You're a special snowflake." -Vaarka, 01:30 in the hangouts

"Screw laying siege to Korea. That usually takes an hour or so." -Vaarka

"Crap, what is my religion again?" -Vaarka

I'm Rick Harrison and this is my pawn shop. I work here with my old man and my son, Big Hoss, and in 23 years I've learned one thing. You never know what is gonna come through that door.