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FREEDO
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11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?
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11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.
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11/2/2010 8:11:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

More well rounded children that have a better sense of family, community, and ability to find their own place etc.
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11/2/2010 8:11:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.

This.
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11/2/2010 8:14:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:11:33 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.

This.

Please excuse my internet ignorance but what does that mean? When some writes THIS when quoting someone?
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11/2/2010 8:14:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.

How so? Would it not be more effective at eliminating indoctrination?
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11/2/2010 8:15:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:14:00 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:11:33 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.

This.

Please excuse my internet ignorance but what does that mean? When some writes THIS when quoting someone?

It means: "I agree"
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11/2/2010 8:15:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:14:00 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:11:33 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.

This.

Please excuse my internet ignorance but what does that mean? When some writes THIS when quoting someone?

It means she agrees.
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11/2/2010 8:29:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

See: The Republic by Plato.
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11/2/2010 8:50:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:14:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.

How so? Would it not be more effective at eliminating indoctrination?

Depends on the community. If it is a church community, then it may be even worse.
If its made of diverse people, then sure it would help. I'm thinking more along the lines of someone will always care for the children when it matters, and not for a paycheck. (like real parents do, instead of like daycare does)
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11/2/2010 8:54:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:14:00 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:11:33 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.

This.

Please excuse my internet ignorance but what does that mean? When some writes THIS when quoting someone?

This.
no comment
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11/2/2010 8:55:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:29:01 PM, Ren wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

See: The Republic by Plato.

See: K-Pax with Kevin Spacey.
no comment
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11/2/2010 9:06:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:55:47 PM, Caramel wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:29:01 PM, Ren wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

See: The Republic by Plato.

See: K-Pax with Kevin Spacey.

A movie? Really?
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11/2/2010 9:08:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:14:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.

How so? Would it not be more effective at eliminating indoctrination?

Crap. This again? Indoctrination as defined by you. Are you really wanting to go there again?

How would it work, in general?
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FREEDO
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11/2/2010 9:11:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 9:08:17 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:14:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.

How so? Would it not be more effective at eliminating indoctrination?

Crap. This again? Indoctrination as defined by you. Are you really wanting to go there again?

How would it work, in general?

I don't know what you're referring to by "again". But basically everyone in the community would act as a parent and take turns caring for the child.
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11/2/2010 9:13:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

I think this would fail. The child would grow closest to one or two adults and look to them for guidance instead of going to each member of the community for advice. Emotional bonds would form and soon people would regard specific children as 'theirs'. Also, children require a lot of 'one-on-one' time which a community would be less apt to give. Just my thoughts on it...
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11/2/2010 9:15:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 9:11:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:08:17 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:14:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.

How so? Would it not be more effective at eliminating indoctrination?

Crap. This again? Indoctrination as defined by you. Are you really wanting to go there again?

How would it work, in general?

I don't know what you're referring to by "again". But basically everyone in the community would act as a parent and take turns caring for the child.

Some details. How would it work day to day? Do I take off work one day to care for someones child? Do I take your child to Bible Land for a family vacation and Mass on every other Sunday? Do out take mine to a science museum or a horror film?

Think about all that for a moment.
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11/2/2010 9:16:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 9:13:31 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

I think this would fail. The child would grow closest to one or two adults and look to them for guidance instead of going to each member of the community for advice. Emotional bonds would form and soon people would regard specific children as 'theirs'. Also, children require a lot of 'one-on-one' time which a community would be less apt to give. Just my thoughts on it...

Sounds fair. But I think it would create more pro-social and open-minded/tolerant personalities.
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11/2/2010 9:18:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 9:15:31 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:11:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:08:17 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:14:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.

How so? Would it not be more effective at eliminating indoctrination?

Crap. This again? Indoctrination as defined by you. Are you really wanting to go there again?

How would it work, in general?

I don't know what you're referring to by "again". But basically everyone in the community would act as a parent and take turns caring for the child.

Some details. How would it work day to day? Do I take off work one day to care for someones child? Do I take your child to Bible Land for a family vacation and Mass on every other Sunday? Do out take mine to a science museum or a horror film?

Think about all that for a moment.

The child hangs with who they want.
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11/2/2010 9:23:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 9:18:33 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:15:31 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:11:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:08:17 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:14:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.

How so? Would it not be more effective at eliminating indoctrination?

Crap. This again? Indoctrination as defined by you. Are you really wanting to go there again?

How would it work, in general?

I don't know what you're referring to by "again". But basically everyone in the community would act as a parent and take turns caring for the child.

Some details. How would it work day to day? Do I take off work one day to care for someones child? Do I take your child to Bible Land for a family vacation and Mass on every other Sunday? Do out take mine to a science museum or a horror film?

Think about all that for a moment.

The child hangs with who they want.

Oh that makes sense. :/

Say I was the fun parent. I have a pool and money. I have land, four wheelers, dirt bikes, horses, and pond full of fish ect ect ect.

Then your kids will be will me all the time. Hey this works out, I can save your child from you. ;p

But seriously. Or, let's say you are the fun one. They get to watch what they want, have sex when they want, do drugs ect ect ect. Then you get to not only supply their habits but feed, clothe and shelter them.

Of course you force me to pay you for watching your kids, or vice versa.

Again. Sit down for a moment and honestly think about this.
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11/2/2010 9:25:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 9:16:04 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:13:31 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

I think this would fail. The child would grow closest to one or two adults and look to them for guidance instead of going to each member of the community for advice. Emotional bonds would form and soon people would regard specific children as 'theirs'. Also, children require a lot of 'one-on-one' time which a community would be less apt to give. Just my thoughts on it...

Sounds fair. But I think it would create more pro-social and open-minded/tolerant personalities.

It might. But why not instill those same values in children by a parental unit? If we can raise children to be more tolerant, than the need for a situation like this is moot. Luckily each generation becomes more 'tolerant' or 'liberal' than the next (in some ways)...
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11/2/2010 9:26:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 9:23:22 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:18:33 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:15:31 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:11:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:08:17 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:14:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.

How so? Would it not be more effective at eliminating indoctrination?

Crap. This again? Indoctrination as defined by you. Are you really wanting to go there again?

How would it work, in general?

I don't know what you're referring to by "again". But basically everyone in the community would act as a parent and take turns caring for the child.

Some details. How would it work day to day? Do I take off work one day to care for someones child? Do I take your child to Bible Land for a family vacation and Mass on every other Sunday? Do out take mine to a science museum or a horror film?

Think about all that for a moment.

The child hangs with who they want.

Oh that makes sense. :/

Say I was the fun parent. I have a pool and money. I have land, four wheelers, dirt bikes, horses, and pond full of fish ect ect ect.

Then your kids will be will me all the time. Hey this works out, I can save your child from you. ;p

But seriously. Or, let's say you are the fun one. They get to watch what they want, have sex when they want, do drugs ect ect ect. Then you get to not only supply their habits but feed, clothe and shelter them.

Of course you force me to pay you for watching your kids, or vice versa.

Again. Sit down for a moment and honestly think about this.

That's right, just forget about all other laws. And it's mutual both ways, nobody is forcing anybody into anybodies family.
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11/2/2010 9:27:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 9:26:04 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:23:22 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:18:33 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:15:31 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:11:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 9:08:17 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:14:45 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:09:03 PM, jharry wrote:
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Chaos.

How so? Would it not be more effective at eliminating indoctrination?

Crap. This again? Indoctrination as defined by you. Are you really wanting to go there again?

How would it work, in general?

I don't know what you're referring to by "again". But basically everyone in the community would act as a parent and take turns caring for the child.

Some details. How would it work day to day? Do I take off work one day to care for someones child? Do I take your child to Bible Land for a family vacation and Mass on every other Sunday? Do out take mine to a science museum or a horror film?

Think about all that for a moment.

The child hangs with who they want.

Oh that makes sense. :/

Say I was the fun parent. I have a pool and money. I have land, four wheelers, dirt bikes, horses, and pond full of fish ect ect ect.

Then your kids will be will me all the time. Hey this works out, I can save your child from you. ;p

But seriously. Or, let's say you are the fun one. They get to watch what they want, have sex when they want, do drugs ect ect ect. Then you get to not only supply their habits but feed, clothe and shelter them.

Of course you force me to pay you for watching your kids, or vice versa.

Again. Sit down for a moment and honestly think about this.

That's right, just forget about all other laws. And it's mutual both ways, nobody is forcing anybody into anybodies family.

?

Can I assume that as a "son of a b1tch, your right jharry", "but this way I don't have to admit it?"
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11/2/2010 9:34:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 9:32:31 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
I'm no developmental psychologist, but in my admittedly inexpert opinion, OP is a f*cking retard.

Now that was a bit harsh wasn't it. Please don't take that as if I don't agree, but still, ouch.
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11/2/2010 10:16:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

they tried it in israel with the kibbutzes and such and iirc it didn't really work out... even though they initially tried to raise children communally they eventually reverted to having parents raise their own kids, at least until the kids were in their teens, because it was so stressful, both to the parents and to the kids.
evidently i only come to ddo to avoid doing homework...
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11/3/2010 1:49:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

This is probably the way children were raised back in the ancient past, however in the west there is no longer any sense of community. I don't even know my neighours, on one side their children are constantly screaming and somewhat obese. I know know these people, and would not want them to have access to my kids in this way. The gay couple on the other side seem nice, I don't know their names and I don't know how good they are at looking after kids.
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11/3/2010 8:16:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/2/2010 8:07:51 PM, FREEDO wrote:
What if children were raised, not by the parents, but by the community? What would this entail?

Children are very much raised by the community. Television, the media, other kids, etc.

Teenage angst and rebellion is when kids mindlessly conform to the media's rejection of mindlessly conforming to their parents' values.
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