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3/4/2016 12:10:04 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
So I'm curious to see what everybody thinks here, but what do you think about these "special snowflake" genders popping up in addition to male and female?

Personally, I think most of it is total nonsense. "Genderqueer, genderfluid, genderless, etc" all just seem to be a bunch of nonsense. That being said, I am not denying that some people have a condition of being "transgender" or having surgery to be a transsexual. However, you can still classify transgenders as male or female on a basis of gender.

What do all of you think about these "special snowflakes?"
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3/4/2016 12:26:04 AM
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Sex is the shape/capacity of the body.

Sexual orientation, other known as sex character, is the means by which we all inside see ourselves in a gendered way.

Generally a persons sexual orientation and sex match, yet not generally. For instance a few individuals are conceived with a mind body jumble (transsexualism). As you said transsexual individuals hold fast to the sexual orientation double.

Some vibe as if they are a blend of both and some vibe just as they are neither and outside the ordinary parallel. Sue you and I experience difficulty understanding it since we relate to the parallel, however we ought to additionally be sufficiently deferential to permit other individuals to distinguish as they see fit.

Since sex is a range there are 7 billion distinctive sexual orientation personalities on Earth since we are all one of a kind people. However, as I expressed the greater part of us relate to one of the two tops in the range.
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3/4/2016 12:40:00 AM
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At 3/4/2016 12:10:04 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
So I'm curious to see what everybody thinks here, but what do you think about these "special snowflake" genders popping up in addition to male and female?

Personally, I think most of it is total nonsense. "Genderqueer, genderfluid, genderless, etc" all just seem to be a bunch of nonsense. That being said, I am not denying that some people have a condition of being "transgender" or having surgery to be a transsexual. However, you can still classify transgenders as male or female on a basis of gender.

What do all of you think about these "special snowflakes?"

I think there are either two or three depending on how you classify it. In a physical sense androgynous people exist as a result of either birth defects or as a result of taking hormones or some but not all of the surgeries required to have a sex change. In a psychological sense most people identify as male or female but a few choose to spend time in both gender roles or permanently maintain an androgynous appearance and lifestyle.
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3/4/2016 1:45:41 AM
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Biologically or socially?
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3/4/2016 4:27:08 AM
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Someone remind me to respond later.
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3/4/2016 6:52:49 AM
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At 3/4/2016 4:27:08 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Someone remind me to respond later.

How much later?
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3/4/2016 6:54:58 AM
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At 3/4/2016 12:10:04 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
So I'm curious to see what everybody thinks here, but what do you think about these "special snowflake" genders popping up in addition to male and female?

Personally, I think most of it is total nonsense. "Genderqueer, genderfluid, genderless, etc" all just seem to be a bunch of nonsense. That being said, I am not denying that some people have a condition of being "transgender" or having surgery to be a transsexual. However, you can still classify transgenders as male or female on a basis of gender.

What do all of you think about these "special snowflakes?"

Gender=/=sex. Many people tend to confuse the two. I know this analogy isn't the same, but I can use it, I'm going to compare this to politics. Sex is like Right and Left Wings, you also have the centralists (represents the Transsexuals). Gender is like the political parties: Republicans, Democrats, Independent, Libertarian, Socialist, Wobbly, etc...
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3/4/2016 6:55:33 AM
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At 3/4/2016 12:40:00 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/4/2016 12:10:04 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
So I'm curious to see what everybody thinks here, but what do you think about these "special snowflake" genders popping up in addition to male and female?

Personally, I think most of it is total nonsense. "Genderqueer, genderfluid, genderless, etc" all just seem to be a bunch of nonsense. That being said, I am not denying that some people have a condition of being "transgender" or having surgery to be a transsexual. However, you can still classify transgenders as male or female on a basis of gender.

What do all of you think about these "special snowflakes?"

I think there are either two or three depending on how you classify it. In a physical sense androgynous people exist as a result of either birth defects or as a result of taking hormones or some but not all of the surgeries required to have a sex change. In a psychological sense most people identify as male or female but a few choose to spend time in both gender roles or permanently maintain an androgynous appearance and lifestyle.

I'm sure by this you are refurring to herms.
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3/4/2016 3:53:05 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/4/2016 6:54:58 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/4/2016 12:10:04 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
So I'm curious to see what everybody thinks here, but what do you think about these "special snowflake" genders popping up in addition to male and female?

Personally, I think most of it is total nonsense. "Genderqueer, genderfluid, genderless, etc" all just seem to be a bunch of nonsense. That being said, I am not denying that some people have a condition of being "transgender" or having surgery to be a transsexual. However, you can still classify transgenders as male or female on a basis of gender.

What do all of you think about these "special snowflakes?"

Gender=/=sex. Many people tend to confuse the two. I know this analogy isn't the same, but I can use it, I'm going to compare this to politics. Sex is like Right and Left Wings, you also have the centralists (represents the Transsexuals). Gender is like the political parties: Republicans, Democrats, Independent, Libertarian, Socialist, Wobbly, etc...

What are some of the genders then besides male and female? How is gender determined?
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3/4/2016 3:56:22 PM
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At 3/4/2016 3:53:05 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/4/2016 6:54:58 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/4/2016 12:10:04 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
So I'm curious to see what everybody thinks here, but what do you think about these "special snowflake" genders popping up in addition to male and female?

Personally, I think most of it is total nonsense. "Genderqueer, genderfluid, genderless, etc" all just seem to be a bunch of nonsense. That being said, I am not denying that some people have a condition of being "transgender" or having surgery to be a transsexual. However, you can still classify transgenders as male or female on a basis of gender.

What do all of you think about these "special snowflakes?"

Gender=/=sex. Many people tend to confuse the two. I know this analogy isn't the same, but I can use it, I'm going to compare this to politics. Sex is like Right and Left Wings, you also have the centralists (represents the Transsexuals). Gender is like the political parties: Republicans, Democrats, Independent, Libertarian, Socialist, Wobbly, etc...

What are some of the genders then besides male and female? How is gender determined?

Sex is the XX or XY a person has. Genders are, more or less, a social construct. That's why I brought up the political analogy. There's countless other genders, but I'll leave you a link for that.

http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com...
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3/4/2016 6:43:47 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/4/2016 3:56:22 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/4/2016 3:53:05 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/4/2016 6:54:58 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/4/2016 12:10:04 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
So I'm curious to see what everybody thinks here, but what do you think about these "special snowflake" genders popping up in addition to male and female?

Personally, I think most of it is total nonsense. "Genderqueer, genderfluid, genderless, etc" all just seem to be a bunch of nonsense. That being said, I am not denying that some people have a condition of being "transgender" or having surgery to be a transsexual. However, you can still classify transgenders as male or female on a basis of gender.

What do all of you think about these "special snowflakes?"

Gender=/=sex. Many people tend to confuse the two. I know this analogy isn't the same, but I can use it, I'm going to compare this to politics. Sex is like Right and Left Wings, you also have the centralists (represents the Transsexuals). Gender is like the political parties: Republicans, Democrats, Independent, Libertarian, Socialist, Wobbly, etc...

What are some of the genders then besides male and female? How is gender determined?

Sex is the XX or XY a person has. Genders are, more or less, a social construct. That's why I brought up the political analogy. There's countless other genders, but I'll leave you a link for that.

http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com...

The problem is that there's so many terms there that are synonyms with other terms on there. Not to mention that a lot of genders seem to be arranged in categories, which only adds more confusion. The main other two genders I can see on there (that aren't synonyms or categories) are genderfluid, and genderqueer.

Genderfluidity honestly seems like a multi-personality disorder. Either that, or genderfluid people just seem to be bored and something got into them to where they act weird. Genderqueer or a "third gender" don't exist either, they just seem like "special snowflake" terms.

Genderqueer implies there's middle between male and female, but I can only see how this is possible if someone has a rare condition of having more than one sexual chromosome. (XXY, XXXY, etc.) Also, a lot of "masculine" and "feminine" traits are just social constructs, so a man with feminine traits for example, isn't necessarily more or less a male.

Only transgender seems to make sense, because it's an actual disorder scientifically recognized where someone has trouble to align with their "natural" gender.
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3/4/2016 6:51:04 PM
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At 3/4/2016 4:27:08 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Someone remind me to respond later.

It's later.
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3/4/2016 7:38:23 PM
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At 3/4/2016 6:55:33 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/4/2016 12:40:00 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/4/2016 12:10:04 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
So I'm curious to see what everybody thinks here, but what do you think about these "special snowflake" genders popping up in addition to male and female?

Personally, I think most of it is total nonsense. "Genderqueer, genderfluid, genderless, etc" all just seem to be a bunch of nonsense. That being said, I am not denying that some people have a condition of being "transgender" or having surgery to be a transsexual. However, you can still classify transgenders as male or female on a basis of gender.

What do all of you think about these "special snowflakes?"

I think there are either two or three depending on how you classify it. In a physical sense androgynous people exist as a result of either birth defects or as a result of taking hormones or some but not all of the surgeries required to have a sex change. In a psychological sense most people identify as male or female but a few choose to spend time in both gender roles or permanently maintain an androgynous appearance and lifestyle.

I'm sure by this you are refurring to herms.

Yes.
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3/4/2016 10:47:31 PM
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What you see in the non-binary gender terms is a rejection of having traits inherent to your biological sex. Are there more than two genders? Well, are there genders at all? To us, yes. We have gender identities. Identities with gender, like anything else, may be unique to each person. Social structures are irrelevant to personal experience, which is what identity is. So you may call people "special snowflakes", and that isn't necessarily wrong. But that doesn't make the concept hogwash.
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3/5/2016 1:56:52 AM
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At 3/4/2016 10:47:31 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
What you see in the non-binary gender terms is a rejection of having traits inherent to your biological sex. Are there more than two genders? Well, are there genders at all? To us, yes. We have gender identities. Identities with gender, like anything else, may be unique to each person. Social structures are irrelevant to personal experience, which is what identity is. So you may call people "special snowflakes", and that isn't necessarily wrong. But that doesn't make the concept hogwash.

Except many of these "gender traits" are just social constructs that vary by culture and change over time. Imagine a man who wears pink things and makeup, and a woman into hunting and playing american football, etc. Does this make someone more or less of a male or female? No, these are just social constructs.

Michael Jackson didn't identify as a "special snowflake" because he did end up looking very feminine.
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3/5/2016 2:00:51 AM
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At 3/5/2016 1:56:52 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/4/2016 10:47:31 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
What you see in the non-binary gender terms is a rejection of having traits inherent to your biological sex. Are there more than two genders? Well, are there genders at all? To us, yes. We have gender identities. Identities with gender, like anything else, may be unique to each person. Social structures are irrelevant to personal experience, which is what identity is. So you may call people "special snowflakes", and that isn't necessarily wrong. But that doesn't make the concept hogwash.

Except many of these "gender traits" are just social constructs that vary by culture and change over time. Imagine a man who wears pink things and makeup, and a woman into hunting and playing american football, etc. Does this make someone more or less of a male or female? No, these are just social constructs.

Then gender as a concept in total is worthless, if traits are social constructs. And if you say that, then it's stupid to speak negatively about non-binary terms.
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3/5/2016 2:15:08 AM
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At 3/5/2016 2:00:51 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/5/2016 1:56:52 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/4/2016 10:47:31 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
What you see in the non-binary gender terms is a rejection of having traits inherent to your biological sex. Are there more than two genders? Well, are there genders at all? To us, yes. We have gender identities. Identities with gender, like anything else, may be unique to each person. Social structures are irrelevant to personal experience, which is what identity is. So you may call people "special snowflakes", and that isn't necessarily wrong. But that doesn't make the concept hogwash.

Except many of these "gender traits" are just social constructs that vary by culture and change over time. Imagine a man who wears pink things and makeup, and a woman into hunting and playing american football, etc. Does this make someone more or less of a male or female? No, these are just social constructs.

Then gender as a concept in total is worthless, if traits are social constructs. And if you say that, then it's stupid to speak negatively about non-binary terms.

The traditional meaning of gender was just "the state of being male or female." It makes no sense to complicate the system just because of people on tumblr wanting to identify as "special snowflakes."
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3/5/2016 2:18:56 AM
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At 3/5/2016 2:00:51 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/5/2016 1:56:52 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/4/2016 10:47:31 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
What you see in the non-binary gender terms is a rejection of having traits inherent to your biological sex. Are there more than two genders? Well, are there genders at all? To us, yes. We have gender identities. Identities with gender, like anything else, may be unique to each person. Social structures are irrelevant to personal experience, which is what identity is. So you may call people "special snowflakes", and that isn't necessarily wrong. But that doesn't make the concept hogwash.

Except many of these "gender traits" are just social constructs that vary by culture and change over time. Imagine a man who wears pink things and makeup, and a woman into hunting and playing american football, etc. Does this make someone more or less of a male or female? No, these are just social constructs.

Then gender as a concept in total is worthless, if traits are social constructs. And if you say that, then it's stupid to speak negatively about non-binary terms.

The whole reason gender is differentiated from sex was because the state of being "transgender" exists. Through medical procedures, transgender people can change their hormones or get a sex change later in their life. All the "special snowflakes" seem like people who are just bored with too much time on their hands.
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3/5/2016 2:19:41 AM
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At 3/5/2016 2:15:08 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/5/2016 2:00:51 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/5/2016 1:56:52 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/4/2016 10:47:31 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
What you see in the non-binary gender terms is a rejection of having traits inherent to your biological sex. Are there more than two genders? Well, are there genders at all? To us, yes. We have gender identities. Identities with gender, like anything else, may be unique to each person. Social structures are irrelevant to personal experience, which is what identity is. So you may call people "special snowflakes", and that isn't necessarily wrong. But that doesn't make the concept hogwash.

Except many of these "gender traits" are just social constructs that vary by culture and change over time. Imagine a man who wears pink things and makeup, and a woman into hunting and playing american football, etc. Does this make someone more or less of a male or female? No, these are just social constructs.

Then gender as a concept in total is worthless, if traits are social constructs. And if you say that, then it's stupid to speak negatively about non-binary terms.

The traditional meaning of gender was just "the state of being male or female." It makes no sense to complicate the system just because of people on tumblr wanting to identify as "special snowflakes."

That's pretty demeaning, and a bit unnecessarily so.
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3/5/2016 2:26:13 AM
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At 3/5/2016 2:19:41 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/5/2016 2:15:08 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/5/2016 2:00:51 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/5/2016 1:56:52 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/4/2016 10:47:31 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
What you see in the non-binary gender terms is a rejection of having traits inherent to your biological sex. Are there more than two genders? Well, are there genders at all? To us, yes. We have gender identities. Identities with gender, like anything else, may be unique to each person. Social structures are irrelevant to personal experience, which is what identity is. So you may call people "special snowflakes", and that isn't necessarily wrong. But that doesn't make the concept hogwash.

Except many of these "gender traits" are just social constructs that vary by culture and change over time. Imagine a man who wears pink things and makeup, and a woman into hunting and playing american football, etc. Does this make someone more or less of a male or female? No, these are just social constructs.

Then gender as a concept in total is worthless, if traits are social constructs. And if you say that, then it's stupid to speak negatively about non-binary terms.

The traditional meaning of gender was just "the state of being male or female." It makes no sense to complicate the system just because of people on tumblr wanting to identify as "special snowflakes."

That's pretty demeaning, and a bit unnecessarily so.

I'm not trying to be politically correct or nice here, I just don't support complicating the way gender is defined, despite if a small minority of people with a multi-personality condition feels left out. If that is the case, they should seek real treatment instead of totally expressing their split-personality.
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3/5/2016 2:29:52 AM
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At 3/5/2016 2:26:13 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/5/2016 2:19:41 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/5/2016 2:15:08 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/5/2016 2:00:51 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/5/2016 1:56:52 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/4/2016 10:47:31 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
What you see in the non-binary gender terms is a rejection of having traits inherent to your biological sex. Are there more than two genders? Well, are there genders at all? To us, yes. We have gender identities. Identities with gender, like anything else, may be unique to each person. Social structures are irrelevant to personal experience, which is what identity is. So you may call people "special snowflakes", and that isn't necessarily wrong. But that doesn't make the concept hogwash.

Except many of these "gender traits" are just social constructs that vary by culture and change over time. Imagine a man who wears pink things and makeup, and a woman into hunting and playing american football, etc. Does this make someone more or less of a male or female? No, these are just social constructs.

Then gender as a concept in total is worthless, if traits are social constructs. And if you say that, then it's stupid to speak negatively about non-binary terms.

The traditional meaning of gender was just "the state of being male or female." It makes no sense to complicate the system just because of people on tumblr wanting to identify as "special snowflakes."

That's pretty demeaning, and a bit unnecessarily so.

I'm not trying to be politically correct or nice here, I just don't support complicating the way gender is defined, despite if a small minority of people with a multi-personality condition feels left out. If that is the case, they should seek real treatment instead of totally expressing their split-personality.

I just don't think you have the slightest clue of what goes through the minds of people who identity as genderqueer (which, by the way, is a very general umbrella term). It's not a matter of how you think gender should be defined, or whether you think these people have mental disorders. Though actually, display your immense logic and knowledge on psychiatry, social issues, and gender identity by making a thread on why they have mental disorders. We (DDO) will love it.
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3/5/2016 2:34:37 AM
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I've always wondered about hermaphrodites.
They have both men, and female characteristics. Are they considered their own gender?
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3/5/2016 2:35:35 AM
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At 3/5/2016 2:29:52 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/5/2016 2:26:13 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/5/2016 2:19:41 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/5/2016 2:15:08 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/5/2016 2:00:51 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/5/2016 1:56:52 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 3/4/2016 10:47:31 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
What you see in the non-binary gender terms is a rejection of having traits inherent to your biological sex. Are there more than two genders? Well, are there genders at all? To us, yes. We have gender identities. Identities with gender, like anything else, may be unique to each person. Social structures are irrelevant to personal experience, which is what identity is. So you may call people "special snowflakes", and that isn't necessarily wrong. But that doesn't make the concept hogwash.

Except many of these "gender traits" are just social constructs that vary by culture and change over time. Imagine a man who wears pink things and makeup, and a woman into hunting and playing american football, etc. Does this make someone more or less of a male or female? No, these are just social constructs.

Then gender as a concept in total is worthless, if traits are social constructs. And if you say that, then it's stupid to speak negatively about non-binary terms.

The traditional meaning of gender was just "the state of being male or female." It makes no sense to complicate the system just because of people on tumblr wanting to identify as "special snowflakes."

That's pretty demeaning, and a bit unnecessarily so.

I'm not trying to be politically correct or nice here, I just don't support complicating the way gender is defined, despite if a small minority of people with a multi-personality condition feels left out. If that is the case, they should seek real treatment instead of totally expressing their split-personality.

I just don't think you have the slightest clue of what goes through the minds of people who identity as genderqueer (which, by the way, is a very general umbrella term). It's not a matter of how you think gender should be defined, or whether you think these people have mental disorders. Though actually, display your immense logic and knowledge on psychiatry, social issues, and gender identity by making a thread on why they have mental disorders. We (DDO) will love it.

I am not making fun of them for "having mental disorders." I'm just saying genderfluid people should seek treatment instead of acting like they do, because it's quite frankly going to lead them to be made fun of or even worsen their condition.

Also, there's legitimate medical proof they have a disorder: https://en.wikipedia.org...

It actually is a matter of how gender should be defined, and it makes no sense to complicate things for the sake of it. I understand the struggle of transgenders, but all these other "genders" popping up is ridiculous. I don't think you could recall too many people in non-recent western history overly complicating gender classification.
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3/5/2016 2:36:41 AM
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At 3/5/2016 2:34:37 AM, Rosalie wrote:
I've always wondered about hermaphrodites.
They have both men, and female characteristics. Are they considered their own gender?

Hermaphrodites are an exception, they are obviously much different than "special snowflakes."
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3/5/2016 2:37:49 AM
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At 3/5/2016 2:29:52 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
It's not a matter of how you think gender should be defined, or whether you think these people have mental disorders. Though actually, display your immense logic and knowledge on psychiatry, social issues, and gender identity by making a thread on why they have mental disorders. We (DDO) will love it.

GID/gender dysphoria is a recognized condition. Not sure if that fits the other guy's (or your) idea of what a mental disorder is, though.
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3/5/2016 2:41:27 AM
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At 3/5/2016 2:37:49 AM, someloser wrote:
At 3/5/2016 2:29:52 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
It's not a matter of how you think gender should be defined, or whether you think these people have mental disorders. Though actually, display your immense logic and knowledge on psychiatry, social issues, and gender identity by making a thread on why they have mental disorders. We (DDO) will love it.

GID/gender dysphoria is a recognized condition. Not sure if that fits the other guy's (or your) idea of what a mental disorder is, though.

Gender dysphoria is synonymous with the state of being transgender. I never said i'm against transgenders, but transgenders are still "male or female" to simplify things. A transgender who was born with XY chromosomes is a female and vice versa.
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3/5/2016 2:43:20 AM
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At 3/5/2016 2:34:37 AM, Rosalie wrote:
I've always wondered about hermaphrodites.
They have both men, and female characteristics. Are they considered their own gender?

Maybe in a social sense, but not biologically. "Hermaphradite" is something of a general/blanket term for people who fall outside the biological norm. Depending on the specific case, it might be more accurate to consider it a birth defect or mutation.

At 3/5/2016 2:35:35 AM, triangle.128k wrote:

Also, there's legitimate medical proof they have a disorder: https://en.wikipedia.org...

I don't see the connection between DID and gender dysphoria. Did you get the wrong link? They definitely aren't the same thing.
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3/5/2016 2:45:04 AM
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At 3/5/2016 2:43:20 AM, someloser wrote:
At 3/5/2016 2:34:37 AM, Rosalie wrote:
I've always wondered about hermaphrodites.
They have both men, and female characteristics. Are they considered their own gender?

Maybe in a social sense, but not biologically. "Hermaphradite" is something of a general/blanket term for people who fall outside the biological norm. Depending on the specific case, it might be more accurate to consider it a birth defect or mutation.

At 3/5/2016 2:35:35 AM, triangle.128k wrote:

Also, there's legitimate medical proof they have a disorder: https://en.wikipedia.org...

I don't see the connection between DID and gender dysphoria. Did you get the wrong link? They definitely aren't the same thing.

I was using DID to describe "gender fluidity."
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3/5/2016 2:47:20 AM
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At 3/5/2016 2:45:04 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
I was using DID to describe "gender fluidity."

From my observations, at least, the "genderfluid" don't tend to identify as entirely different people. Any change in identity is a conscious response to dysphoria.

Of course, I might be wrong. If there's any data on the subject, I've never seen it.
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