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3/5/2016 8:14:38 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
People marry each other for a variety of reasons. Whether it be to confess your love for someone or to ensure a plentiful inheritance, all marriages progress differently and certainly end differently as well. Around 30% of all married individuals will engage in infidelity at some point in their marriage (https://www.truthaboutdeception.com...). It is a horrible thing to figure out if your spouse is cheating on you, or even never figuring out until much later. People do it for a variety of reasons, whether it be dissatisfaction with the marriage or inability to commit to a certain partner. Cheating can really hurt a marriage and the partner being cheated on, although sometimes it isn't the end of all things. In fact, 56% of men in affairs believe they have a happy marriage (http://www.womansday.com...).

But because this is "marriage" we're speaking of, the law of course comes into play. Currently, 21 states in the US have some anti-adultery laws (http://www.johnjayandrich.com...). Recently, the state of New Hampshire voted to scrap having adultery be a criminal offense. The states that do still have anti-adultery laws have a mixed way on how they deal with it. Certain states classify adultery as a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine. That fine can be high, or even as low as $10 such as that in Maryland. In other states, such as Massachusetts, adultery is punishable by jail time (http://www.freep.com...). There are of course civil consequences for cheating, where you could lose your job and impact who has custody over the children. In some other countries, such as those with Sharia Law, cheating can be punishable by death.

So, what do you guys think should be the "law" in regards to adultery? Should there be a federal law or should it be on a state-by-state level? Can you think of effective ways to enforce such laws? Discuss.
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3/5/2016 8:18:15 AM
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How many of the US adultery statutes are actually enforced?
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3/5/2016 8:32:46 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/5/2016 8:18:15 AM, bsh1 wrote:
How many of the US adultery statutes are actually enforced?

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...

It says the adultery laws are rarely invoked themselves, rather they have other consequences, especially after the SC case Lawrence v. Texas. For example, adultery is a potential court-martial offense in the military. Six US states (Hawaii, North Carolina, Mississippi, New Mexico, South Dakota, and Utah) allow the possibility of the tort action of alienation of affections (brought by a deserted spouse against a third party alleged to be responsible for the failure of the marriage). However, this is why I added "how do you think these can be enforced more effectively".
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3/5/2016 10:53:24 AM
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Why should they be enforced, is really what my question would be. Why should there even be laws at all regarding it? To me it just doesn't make sense to me...

Like, I don't think cheating or adultery is a good thing, it's extremely shitty to do, but I'm not of the mind to advocate criminal penalties for it...
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3/5/2016 1:53:30 PM
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At 3/5/2016 8:14:38 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
People marry each other for a variety of reasons. Whether it be to confess your love for someone or to ensure a plentiful inheritance, all marriages progress differently and certainly end differently as well. Around 30% of all married individuals will engage in infidelity at some point in their marriage (https://www.truthaboutdeception.com...). It is a horrible thing to figure out if your spouse is cheating on you, or even never figuring out until much later. People do it for a variety of reasons, whether it be dissatisfaction with the marriage or inability to commit to a certain partner. Cheating can really hurt a marriage and the partner being cheated on, although sometimes it isn't the end of all things. In fact, 56% of men in affairs believe they have a happy marriage (http://www.womansday.com...).

But because this is "marriage" we're speaking of, the law of course comes into play. Currently, 21 states in the US have some anti-adultery laws (http://www.johnjayandrich.com...). Recently, the state of New Hampshire voted to scrap having adultery be a criminal offense. The states that do still have anti-adultery laws have a mixed way on how they deal with it. Certain states classify adultery as a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine. That fine can be high, or even as low as $10 such as that in Maryland. In other states, such as Massachusetts, adultery is punishable by jail time (http://www.freep.com...). There are of course civil consequences for cheating, where you could lose your job and impact who has custody over the children. In some other countries, such as those with Sharia Law, cheating can be punishable by death.

So, what do you guys think should be the "law" in regards to adultery? Should there be a federal law or should it be on a state-by-state level? Can you think of effective ways to enforce such laws? Discuss.

The only hard and fast law I can think of would be contingent upon a divorce, that being if you are found guilty of adultery, marital assets are pushed more to the non-offending party. And custody probably should be majority on that end to, assuming the non offending spouse is fit.
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3/5/2016 1:56:28 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/5/2016 1:53:30 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/5/2016 8:14:38 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
People marry each other for a variety of reasons. Whether it be to confess your love for someone or to ensure a plentiful inheritance, all marriages progress differently and certainly end differently as well. Around 30% of all married individuals will engage in infidelity at some point in their marriage (https://www.truthaboutdeception.com...). It is a horrible thing to figure out if your spouse is cheating on you, or even never figuring out until much later. People do it for a variety of reasons, whether it be dissatisfaction with the marriage or inability to commit to a certain partner. Cheating can really hurt a marriage and the partner being cheated on, although sometimes it isn't the end of all things. In fact, 56% of men in affairs believe they have a happy marriage (http://www.womansday.com...).

But because this is "marriage" we're speaking of, the law of course comes into play. Currently, 21 states in the US have some anti-adultery laws (http://www.johnjayandrich.com...). Recently, the state of New Hampshire voted to scrap having adultery be a criminal offense. The states that do still have anti-adultery laws have a mixed way on how they deal with it. Certain states classify adultery as a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine. That fine can be high, or even as low as $10 such as that in Maryland. In other states, such as Massachusetts, adultery is punishable by jail time (http://www.freep.com...). There are of course civil consequences for cheating, where you could lose your job and impact who has custody over the children. In some other countries, such as those with Sharia Law, cheating can be punishable by death.

So, what do you guys think should be the "law" in regards to adultery? Should there be a federal law or should it be on a state-by-state level? Can you think of effective ways to enforce such laws? Discuss.

The only hard and fast law I can think of would be contingent upon a divorce, that being if you are found guilty of adultery, marital assets are pushed more to the non-offending party. And custody probably should be majority on that end to, assuming the non offending spouse is fit.

Yah, everyone should have a pre-nup because marriage alone is not a binding contract. There's no real penalty without a pre-nup for breaking a marriage contract.
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3/5/2016 4:16:36 PM
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I'm sad to see women buy into the system of patriarchy that pushes monogamy. Monogamy is a scam by beta males, to insure that us alphas save some pvssy for them, and it hurts women, by forcing them to settle for inferior men. I promise that if people weren't culturally indoctrinated, no woman would ve pro monogamy.
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3/5/2016 4:58:36 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/5/2016 10:53:24 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
Why should they be enforced, is really what my question would be. Why should there even be laws at all regarding it? To me it just doesn't make sense to me...

Like, I don't think cheating or adultery is a good thing, it's extremely shitty to do, but I'm not of the mind to advocate criminal penalties for it...

Yeah the idea of someone going to jail for cheating is ridiculous.

There should be laws regarding how divorces are settled, which there are through at fault divorces, but that's it.
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3/5/2016 5:04:45 PM
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At 3/5/2016 4:16:36 PM, Wylted wrote:
I'm sad to see women buy into the system of patriarchy that pushes monogamy. Monogamy is a scam by beta males, to insure that us alphas save some pvssy for them, and it hurts women, by forcing them to settle for inferior men. I promise that if people weren't culturally indoctrinated, no woman would ve pro monogamy.

Why do you consider yourself an "alpha"?
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3/5/2016 5:06:53 PM
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In today's American culture laws against adultery simply won't fly. However, if it can be proven that one partner and not the other has engaged in adultery/domestic violence then the victim partner should be legally entitled to walk away with everything if he/she decides to divorce.
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3/5/2016 5:11:17 PM
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At 3/5/2016 4:16:36 PM, Wylted wrote:
I'm sad to see women buy into the system of patriarchy that pushes monogamy. Monogamy is a scam by beta males, to insure that us alphas save some pvssy for them, and it hurts women, by forcing them to settle for inferior men. I promise that if people weren't culturally indoctrinated, no woman would ve pro monogamy.

You do understand that biologically and reproduction wise, we're geared toward long-term relationships and monogomy right? Sexually, the more you have sex with someone, the better it gets, especially in terms of females and orgasming.

Then you factor in child-rearing, the lengthened growth time humans have in comparison to most other mammals, which adds to the difficulty of raising a child. Like, all signs point to monogomy being the evolutionary path to success. Language, higher intelligence, and the like can be in large part attributed to the evolutionary emphasis on monogomy in homosapiens.
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3/5/2016 5:18:57 PM
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Just sounds to me like you were pissed you weren't able to smash at points in time cause the women you wanted to sleep with were in relationships Wylted lmao xD
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3/5/2016 10:34:54 PM
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At 3/5/2016 8:14:38 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
People marry each other for a variety of reasons. Whether it be to confess your love for someone or to ensure a plentiful inheritance, all marriages progress differently and certainly end differently as well. Around 30% of all married individuals will engage in infidelity at some point in their marriage (https://www.truthaboutdeception.com...). It is a horrible thing to figure out if your spouse is cheating on you, or even never figuring out until much later. People do it for a variety of reasons, whether it be dissatisfaction with the marriage or inability to commit to a certain partner. Cheating can really hurt a marriage and the partner being cheated on, although sometimes it isn't the end of all things. In fact, 56% of men in affairs believe they have a happy marriage (http://www.womansday.com...).

But because this is "marriage" we're speaking of, the law of course comes into play. Currently, 21 states in the US have some anti-adultery laws (http://www.johnjayandrich.com...). Recently, the state of New Hampshire voted to scrap having adultery be a criminal offense. The states that do still have anti-adultery laws have a mixed way on how they deal with it. Certain states classify adultery as a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine. That fine can be high, or even as low as $10 such as that in Maryland. In other states, such as Massachusetts, adultery is punishable by jail time (http://www.freep.com...). There are of course civil consequences for cheating, where you could lose your job and impact who has custody over the children. In some other countries, such as those with Sharia Law, cheating can be punishable by death.

So, what do you guys think should be the "law" in regards to adultery? Should there be a federal law or should it be on a state-by-state level? Can you think of effective ways to enforce such laws? Discuss.

My way of dealing with adultery would be to give the wringed person a more favorable divorce settlement then they would otherwise have received. As the person commiting the immoral act is essentially choosing to destroy the marriage they should take a smaller share of any divorce settlement. Maybe a 50/50 split becomes a 70/30 split in favour of the wronged individual. I dont think though judicial punishment is suitable.
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3/5/2016 10:58:29 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/5/2016 10:34:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:

My way of dealing with adultery would be to give the wringed person a more favorable divorce settlement then they would otherwise have received. As the person commiting the immoral act is essentially choosing to destroy the marriage they should take a smaller share of any divorce settlement. Maybe a 50/50 split becomes a 70/30 split in favour of the wronged individual. I dont think though judicial punishment is suitable.

Nah, adultery should honestly imo cause a forfeiture of settlement. 70/30 is still far too favorable
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3/6/2016 12:36:42 AM
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At 3/5/2016 5:04:45 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/5/2016 4:16:36 PM, Wylted wrote:
I'm sad to see women buy into the system of patriarchy that pushes monogamy. Monogamy is a scam by beta males, to insure that us alphas save some pvssy for them, and it hurts women, by forcing them to settle for inferior men. I promise that if people weren't culturally indoctrinated, no woman would ve pro monogamy.

Why do you consider yourself an "alpha"?

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3/6/2016 12:39:03 AM
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At 3/5/2016 5:18:57 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
Just sounds to me like you were pissed you weren't able to smash at points in time cause the women you wanted to sleep with were in relationships Wylted lmao xD

That is true, but also child rearing is easier in polygamist relationships. I mean if one mother is great, imagine having ten of them.

I do think evolution favors long term relationships, just not monogamous ones.
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3/6/2016 6:36:47 AM
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At 3/6/2016 12:39:03 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:18:57 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
Just sounds to me like you were pissed you weren't able to smash at points in time cause the women you wanted to sleep with were in relationships Wylted lmao xD

That is true, but also child rearing is easier in polygamist relationships. I mean if one mother is great, imagine having ten of them.

I would imagine that develops psychological issues bruh

I do think evolution favors long term relationships, just not monogamous ones.

maybe, as long as child rearing ID involved, monogomy is the evolutionarily favored imho
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3/6/2016 6:41:47 AM
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At 3/6/2016 6:36:47 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 3/6/2016 12:39:03 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:18:57 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
Just sounds to me like you were pissed you weren't able to smash at points in time cause the women you wanted to sleep with were in relationships Wylted lmao xD

That is true, but also child rearing is easier in polygamist relationships. I mean if one mother is great, imagine having ten of them.

I would imagine that develops psychological issues bruh

I do think evolution favors long term relationships, just not monogamous ones.

maybe, as long as child rearing ID involved, monogomy is the evolutionarily favored imho

To be fair, my theory may come more from wishful thinking, than any serious analysis, I'll have to look into it.
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3/6/2016 7:09:25 AM
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At 3/5/2016 8:14:38 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
So, what do you guys think should be the "law" in regards to adultery? Should there be a federal law or should it be on a state-by-state level? Can you think of effective ways to enforce such laws? Discuss.

Just based on my views, this falls under the Moral Law and the Laws of Nature. I think that laws concerning this (and other similar moral issues, like murder) ought to be regulated by the government, but this is as far as I will ever support federal government interference. Everything else ought to be governed by the states, like it was originally intended to be.
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3/7/2016 1:57:29 AM
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At 3/5/2016 8:14:38 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
People marry each other for a variety of reasons. Whether it be to confess your love for someone or to ensure a plentiful inheritance, all marriages progress differently and certainly end differently as well. Around 30% of all married individuals will engage in infidelity at some point in their marriage (https://www.truthaboutdeception.com...). It is a horrible thing to figure out if your spouse is cheating on you, or even never figuring out until much later. People do it for a variety of reasons, whether it be dissatisfaction with the marriage or inability to commit to a certain partner. Cheating can really hurt a marriage and the partner being cheated on, although sometimes it isn't the end of all things. In fact, 56% of men in affairs believe they have a happy marriage (http://www.womansday.com...).

But because this is "marriage" we're speaking of, the law of course comes into play. Currently, 21 states in the US have some anti-adultery laws (http://www.johnjayandrich.com...). Recently, the state of New Hampshire voted to scrap having adultery be a criminal offense. The states that do still have anti-adultery laws have a mixed way on how they deal with it. Certain states classify adultery as a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine. That fine can be high, or even as low as $10 such as that in Maryland. In other states, such as Massachusetts, adultery is punishable by jail time (http://www.freep.com...). There are of course civil consequences for cheating, where you could lose your job and impact who has custody over the children. In some other countries, such as those with Sharia Law, cheating can be punishable by death.

So, what do you guys think should be the "law" in regards to adultery? Should there be a federal law or should it be on a state-by-state level? Can you think of effective ways to enforce such laws? Discuss.

It shouldn't be illegal, it should be grounds for an at fault divorce.
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3/7/2016 7:53:53 AM
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At 3/6/2016 6:36:47 AM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 3/6/2016 12:39:03 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 3/5/2016 5:18:57 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
Just sounds to me like you were pissed you weren't able to smash at points in time cause the women you wanted to sleep with were in relationships Wylted lmao xD

That is true, but also child rearing is easier in polygamist relationships. I mean if one mother is great, imagine having ten of them.

I would imagine that develops psychological issues bruh

I do think evolution favors long term relationships, just not monogamous ones.

maybe, as long as child rearing ID involved, monogomy is the evolutionarily favored imho

Um, no mate, you don't need to look that far. As an "alpha" what ties do you have to a mate aside from legal ones? You state the feminism is harmed by monogamy, yet, realistically, any contract that snares a potential mate through course of law (which well defies.... well what ever it is you advocate for) is the ideal answer. Ironically, Banging the Alpha does (in a society anyways) the exact opposite.
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3/7/2016 1:45:35 PM
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At 3/7/2016 7:53:53 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:

Um, no mate, you don't need to look that far. As an "alpha" what ties do you have to a mate aside from legal ones? You state the feminism is harmed by monogamy, yet, realistically, any contract that snares a potential mate through course of law (which well defies.... well what ever it is you advocate for) is the ideal answer. Ironically, Banging the Alpha does (in a society anyways) the exact opposite.

Prolly should have quoted Wylted, cause I'm pretty you were talking to him champ lol
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3/7/2016 11:36:10 PM
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At 3/7/2016 1:45:35 PM, Buddamoose wrote:
At 3/7/2016 7:53:53 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:

Um, no mate, you don't need to look that far. As an "alpha" what ties do you have to a mate aside from legal ones? You state the feminism is harmed by monogamy, yet, realistically, any contract that snares a potential mate through course of law (which well defies.... well what ever it is you advocate for) is the ideal answer. Ironically, Banging the Alpha does (in a society anyways) the exact opposite.

Prolly should have quoted Wylted, cause I'm pretty you were talking to him champ lol

... doh.

Sorry.
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3/15/2016 6:59:22 PM
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At 3/5/2016 8:14:38 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
So, what do you guys think should be the "law" in regards to adultery?
It very much depends on social context. I think it's permissible to pass an anti-adultery law in any state, anywhere, but that's different from saying that it's desirable to do so. Adultery is unambiguously wrong and contradicts natural law. I'm of the opinion that using positive law to enforce a natural law is always permissible. Whether it's desirable depends on other factors like necessity (if few people commit adultery, then we don't need laws), feasibility (can we prove adultery?), and so on.

I think if the bad consequences of adultery are showing (e.g. high divorce rate) and adultery is gaining traction, then a moral and just government should do something to stop it. Whether this should involve legislation, how these laws should be written or carried out and what punishments should be meted out depends on the expected effect, not just on the rate of adultery but also on people's acceptance of adultery, ability to restrain oneself from committing adultery, etc.

(The focus, however, should always be on education and promotion, which can be done by active monitoring of the media, reforming sex/moral education curricula to emphasise sexual morality, and so on.)

Should there be a federal law or should it be on a state-by-state level?
I'm not familiar enough with the social situation in the US, so I won't comment on this.
Can you think of effective ways to enforce such laws? Discuss.
I'm undecided on whether adultery should be criminalised, even in Hong Kong, TBH. It seems that if the police has the responsibility to deal with adultery cases, the cost will be prohibitively high because it's much harder to prove than, say, drink-driving. In any case, I think there should be civil consequences.
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