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3/5/2016 6:37:48 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Contrary to what many people may think, skin color is not race. Rather, skin color is indicative of race. Also contrary to what many people may think, race is not skin deep.
So what is it?
Race is ancestry; whether or not you are closely related to this large national/multinational group. That is the short answer. But it's more complicated than that. You see, the related people groups categorized as one "race" have traditionally resided in a single area of the globe which is their land. These interrelated groups each have variations of what's basically the same culture. It is the reason that Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, and Korean cultures are so similar. It can be said that there is a Pan-Mongoloid (for lack of a better term) culture that the cultures of these nations are variations of. Race, then, is pan-groupism.
The white race is the collection of ethnicities native to Europe who share the "white skin" trait that is indicative of being a member of this group. European cultures are unique variations of Pan-European culture. Someone who is not white differs from the white man not only in skin color or ancestry but in culture. Different races, then, are often incompatible because they have different cultures. Race and culture are linked because each member of a group will share a common culture.
So you see, race is the product of millennia of separate development. It isn't skin color. The differences we see in other races are striking and all-encompassing, not skin deep.
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3/5/2016 6:43:41 PM
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The best way to destroy race, then, is to destroy all racial differences except for skin color.
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3/5/2016 6:49:58 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/5/2016 6:43:41 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The best way to destroy race, then, is to destroy all racial differences except for skin color.

However, if you do this then you destroy the cultural diversity of our world. Race and everything that it ensues can be beautiful other than a dirty word if we want it to be.
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3/5/2016 6:50:34 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/5/2016 6:49:58 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/5/2016 6:43:41 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The best way to destroy race, then, is to destroy all racial differences except for skin color.

However, if you do this then you destroy the cultural diversity of our world. Race and everything that it ensues can be beautiful rather than a dirty word if we want it to be.

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3/5/2016 6:56:45 PM
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However, mixing will not ensure diversity. Rather, it creates a melting pot where everyone is the same. The best way to ensure diversity is a system of "We live our way here, they live their way there, and neither crosses the line!" A system of mutual respect frees each group to be what it's meant to be without interference from outside imperialism, militarily or culturally.
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3/5/2016 7:27:34 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
"Epicanthoid"
How about this as a name for the East Asian race that Chinese people, Japanese people, Korean people, Vietnamese people, and so on are part of?
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3/5/2016 8:55:15 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/5/2016 7:27:34 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
"Epicanthoid"
How about this as a name for the East Asian race that Chinese people, Japanese people, Korean people, Vietnamese people, and so on are part of?

It might work okay, if we weren't living in the age of genetic science. Nowadays, it's better to distinguish them on the basis of clustering. If you do that, you'll find there's a massive gap between Northeast and Southeast Asians (larger than the one between NEA and Caucasians). So, maybe putting them within the same race isn't such a great idea.

Either way, "race" is a bit too broad to be useful in many circumstances (which is why the more specific identification of ethnicity is used instead).

Aside from that, generally agree with OP's claim that race is about ancestry and not skin color.
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3/6/2016 2:12:14 PM
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At 3/5/2016 6:37:48 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Contrary to what many people may think, skin color is not race. Rather, skin color is indicative of race. Also contrary to what many people may think, race is not skin deep.
So what is it?
Race is ancestry; whether or not you are closely related to this large national/multinational group. That is the short answer. But it's more complicated than that. You see, the related people groups categorized as one "race" have traditionally resided in a single area of the globe which is their land. These interrelated groups each have variations of what's basically the same culture. It is the reason that Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, and Korean cultures are so similar. It can be said that there is a Pan-Mongoloid (for lack of a better term) culture that the cultures of these nations are variations of. Race, then, is pan-groupism.
The white race is the collection of ethnicities native to Europe who share the "white skin" trait that is indicative of being a member of this group. European cultures are unique variations of Pan-European culture. Someone who is not white differs from the white man not only in skin color or ancestry but in culture. Different races, then, are often incompatible because they have different cultures. Race and culture are linked because each member of a group will share a common culture.
So you see, race is the product of millennia of separate development. It isn't skin color. The differences we see in other races are striking and all-encompassing, not skin deep.

The American census registers people from North Africa and Middle East as white too. I also think the British census registers Roma people (colloquially, Gypsies) as white. Yet these people become very often excluded from this term. It's also funny that the first American term of white excluded Italians, Slavic, Irish and even Swedes. I'm quite sure the first usage of white was just to describe the WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant), since those people were mainly in power of US until like...now. And English people are often quite pale so that's probably why the term was invented.

I don't like this arbitrary term at all. Why even bother with using it if it's not about skin colour anyway? Have a dark Italian to say that he is Arab, and he will not be entitled white. Have him to say "Just kidding, I'm Italian", and he will magically turn white all of a sudden.