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3/10/2016 1:01:46 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
A map of the currently operating hate groups in the US by state:

https://www.splcenter.org...

How many hate groups are in your state? What kinds?
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3/10/2016 1:10:17 AM
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At 3/10/2016 1:01:46 AM, Maikuru wrote:
A map of the currently operating hate groups in the US by state:

https://www.splcenter.org...

How many hate groups are in your state? What kinds?

Holy crap, there are that many in the Bay Area and Los Angeles? On hindsight, it makes sense because more diversity does provide more opportunity for people to develop hate if the environment is one that encourages segregation - gangs and such.
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3/10/2016 1:14:08 AM
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We can't really point to any location and say that there are more or less hate groups there. It seems to directly proportional to population. California, the Midwest, the South, and the Northeast have the most amount where as the Mountain time zone, and Pacific coast (other than California) have the least. It basically says that where there are more people, there are more hate groups.
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3/10/2016 1:14:43 AM
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At 3/10/2016 1:01:46 AM, Maikuru wrote:
https://www.splcenter.org...

I wouldn't trust the SPLC's (increasingly loose and meaningless) criteria for what constitutes a "hate group".
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3/10/2016 1:17:28 AM
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At 3/10/2016 1:14:43 AM, someloser wrote:
At 3/10/2016 1:01:46 AM, Maikuru wrote:
https://www.splcenter.org...

I wouldn't trust the SPLC's (increasingly loose and meaningless) criteria for what constitutes a "hate group".

Well, there're not racist, just politically incorrect.
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3/10/2016 1:19:44 AM
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At 3/10/2016 1:14:43 AM, someloser wrote:
At 3/10/2016 1:01:46 AM, Maikuru wrote:
https://www.splcenter.org...

I wouldn't trust the SPLC's (increasingly loose and meaningless) criteria for what constitutes a "hate group".

The researcher in me appreciates you critiquing the source. How would you define a hate group?
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3/10/2016 1:22:29 AM
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At 3/10/2016 1:14:08 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
We can't really point to any location and say that there are more or less hate groups there. It seems to directly proportional to population. California, the Midwest, the South, and the Northeast have the most amount where as the Mountain time zone, and Pacific coast (other than California) have the least. It basically says that where there are more people, there are more hate groups.

Good point, though the type of hate group appears to change with region. Notice the happy little cluster of KKK groups on the Texas/Oklahoma border or the skinheads blanketing New Jersey.
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3/10/2016 1:23:52 AM
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At 3/10/2016 1:10:17 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 3/10/2016 1:01:46 AM, Maikuru wrote:
A map of the currently operating hate groups in the US by state:

https://www.splcenter.org...

How many hate groups are in your state? What kinds?

Holy crap, there are that many in the Bay Area and Los Angeles? On hindsight, it makes sense because more diversity does provide more opportunity for people to develop hate if the environment is one that encourages segregation - gangs and such.

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3/10/2016 1:25:09 AM
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62 in the state I'm in. Some socialist clubs, kkk, and some church groups...lol
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3/10/2016 1:26:41 AM
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My state has plenty and they're pretty much all clustered around and in a major city. Makes sense.

The funny part is when one hate group is the opposite of another (e.g., there's a White Nationalist group next to a Black Separatist group lol)
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3/10/2016 1:27:00 AM
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At 3/10/2016 1:01:46 AM, Maikuru wrote:
A map of the currently operating hate groups in the US by state:

https://www.splcenter.org...

How many hate groups are in your state? What kinds?

Wait, the H.L Mencken club is a 'hate group'? They're a bunch of exasperated, geriatric liberal arts professors who think that people don't read enough classics anymore.

Lol, this is why I can't take the SPLC seriously. You can't just label anyone who disagrees with you a 'hate group' without damaging the weight of the term.

However, the colossal 'Klan Kluster' around Dallas is interesting, though not surprising.
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3/10/2016 1:27:59 AM
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21 in New Jersey.
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3/10/2016 1:29:15 AM
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At 3/10/2016 1:27:00 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/10/2016 1:01:46 AM, Maikuru wrote:
A map of the currently operating hate groups in the US by state:

https://www.splcenter.org...

How many hate groups are in your state? What kinds?

Wait, the H.L Mencken club is a 'hate group'? They're a bunch of exasperated, geriatric liberal arts professors who think that people don't read enough classics anymore.

"They are essentially advocating for a country which is either completely inhabited by whites or dominated by whites," says Mark Potok, a senior researcher at the SPLC. "They are, in effect, a kinder, gentler Klan."

LOL
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3/10/2016 1:29:20 AM
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Welcome to California, the land of Hate! Lol.
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3/10/2016 1:36:21 AM
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At 3/10/2016 1:19:44 AM, Maikuru wrote:
How would you define a hate group?

Groups that actually advocate violence against fellow citizens.

Right now, the SPLC is just following the hard left's trend of calling whatever they don't like "racist" or [quite ironically] "bigoted" or "hateful".

For one particularly funny example, they seem to think Jared Taylor (https://en.wikipedia.org...) is a white supremacist.
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3/10/2016 1:47:22 AM
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At 3/10/2016 1:29:15 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/10/2016 1:27:00 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/10/2016 1:01:46 AM, Maikuru wrote:
A map of the currently operating hate groups in the US by state:

https://www.splcenter.org...

How many hate groups are in your state? What kinds?

Wait, the H.L Mencken club is a 'hate group'? They're a bunch of exasperated, geriatric liberal arts professors who think that people don't read enough classics anymore.

"They are essentially advocating for a country which is either completely inhabited by whites or dominated by whites," says Mark Potok, a senior researcher at the SPLC. "They are, in effect, a kinder, gentler Klan."

LOL

Lol, the fact that anyone believes that about them is hilarious. Their position is, essentially, that European culture is worth preserving and offers a lot of things which are valuable to the world, and that it's central to the United states historically. That's about it.

As I said, why I cannot take the SPLC seriously. The histrionics are beyond absurd at this point.
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3/10/2016 2:22:01 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 1:36:21 AM, someloser wrote:
At 3/10/2016 1:19:44 AM, Maikuru wrote:
How would you define a hate group?

Groups that actually advocate violence against fellow citizens.

Right now, the SPLC is just following the hard left's trend of calling whatever they don't like "racist" or [quite ironically] "bigoted" or "hateful".

For one particularly funny example, they seem to think Jared Taylor (https://en.wikipedia.org...) is a white supremacist.

Interesting. What's your opinion on hate speech?
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3/10/2016 2:22:38 AM
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At 3/10/2016 1:47:22 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/10/2016 1:29:15 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/10/2016 1:27:00 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/10/2016 1:01:46 AM, Maikuru wrote:
A map of the currently operating hate groups in the US by state:

https://www.splcenter.org...

How many hate groups are in your state? What kinds?

Wait, the H.L Mencken club is a 'hate group'? They're a bunch of exasperated, geriatric liberal arts professors who think that people don't read enough classics anymore.

"They are essentially advocating for a country which is either completely inhabited by whites or dominated by whites," says Mark Potok, a senior researcher at the SPLC. "They are, in effect, a kinder, gentler Klan."

LOL

Lol, the fact that anyone believes that about them is hilarious. Their position is, essentially, that European culture is worth preserving and offers a lot of things which are valuable to the world, and that it's central to the United states historically. That's about it.

As I said, why I cannot take the SPLC seriously. The histrionics are beyond absurd at this point.

Sure, but I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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3/10/2016 2:25:14 AM
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At 3/10/2016 1:29:20 AM, Rosalie wrote:
Welcome to California, the land of Hate! Lol.

I'm surprised someone who's from California feels that way. Was it your experience that people are generally hateful in CA?
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3/10/2016 2:27:25 AM
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4 in my immediate area. It surprises me there aren't more in one sense - because my area is VERY multicultural - but not in another sense. Because Sacramento is one of the most integrated cities in America.

http://sacramentopress.com...
http://content.time.com...

Growing up, I didn't even realize that it wasn't considered kosher in a lot of places to have friends of different races. I only realized this when I got older and started meeting not from around my area. Even in the 'hood here we have some multicultural gangs.
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3/10/2016 3:36:49 AM
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At 3/10/2016 1:10:17 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 3/10/2016 1:01:46 AM, Maikuru wrote:
A map of the currently operating hate groups in the US by state:

https://www.splcenter.org...

How many hate groups are in your state? What kinds?

Holy crap, there are that many in the Bay Area and Los Angeles? On hindsight, it makes sense because more diversity does provide more opportunity for people to develop hate if the environment is one that encourages segregation - gangs and such.

Yeah. You don't need to organize a whole group to hate blacks if there are no blacks around, right? Just talk about it over dinner lol
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3/10/2016 4:04:41 AM
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At 3/10/2016 2:27:25 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
4 in my immediate area. It surprises me there aren't more in one sense - because my area is VERY multicultural - but not in another sense. Because Sacramento is one of the most integrated cities in America.

http://sacramentopress.com...
http://content.time.com...

Growing up, I didn't even realize that it wasn't considered kosher in a lot of places to have friends of different races. I only realized this when I got older and started meeting not from around my area. Even in the 'hood here we have some multicultural gangs.

Cool. I'll read the articles when I can but do you think the integration is the key to Sacramento's success?
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3/10/2016 4:20:02 AM
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At 3/10/2016 4:04:41 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/10/2016 2:27:25 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
4 in my immediate area. It surprises me there aren't more in one sense - because my area is VERY multicultural - but not in another sense. Because Sacramento is one of the most integrated cities in America.

http://sacramentopress.com...
http://content.time.com...

Growing up, I didn't even realize that it wasn't considered kosher in a lot of places to have friends of different races. I only realized this when I got older and started meeting not from around my area. Even in the 'hood here we have some multicultural gangs.

Cool. I'll read the articles when I can but do you think the integration is the key to Sacramento's success?

Definitely. It won't make much of an impact on racial attitudes if you have a diverse city that is highly racially segregated. I have a friend from Chicago and we were talking about this - he was something to the effect of "Yeah, we have all different kinds of races and cultures there, but they don't really interact with each other on a mass scale. Being out here is kind of a shock to see this happening on a large scale. And it's just so normal to you guys...."
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3/10/2016 4:24:04 AM
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I don't want to make it sound like we're some racial, multicultural utopia with no problems along those lines, but from what I've seen, Sac has a lot less of those problems them a lot of other cities and I think integration has a lot to do with that.
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3/10/2016 4:26:27 AM
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At 3/10/2016 4:20:02 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:04:41 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/10/2016 2:27:25 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
4 in my immediate area. It surprises me there aren't more in one sense - because my area is VERY multicultural - but not in another sense. Because Sacramento is one of the most integrated cities in America.

http://sacramentopress.com...
http://content.time.com...

Growing up, I didn't even realize that it wasn't considered kosher in a lot of places to have friends of different races. I only realized this when I got older and started meeting not from around my area. Even in the 'hood here we have some multicultural gangs.

Cool. I'll read the articles when I can but do you think the integration is the key to Sacramento's success?

Definitely. It won't make much of an impact on racial attitudes if you have a diverse city that is highly racially segregated. I have a friend from Chicago and we were talking about this - he was something to the effect of "Yeah, we have all different kinds of races and cultures there, but they don't really interact with each other on a mass scale. Being out here is kind of a shock to see this happening on a large scale. And it's just so normal to you guys...."

Show your buddy this cool dot map of Chicago. It literally paints a picture of the segregation.

http://www.radicalcartography.net...
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3/10/2016 4:28:06 AM
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At 3/10/2016 1:10:17 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 3/10/2016 1:01:46 AM, Maikuru wrote:
A map of the currently operating hate groups in the US by state:

https://www.splcenter.org...

How many hate groups are in your state? What kinds?

Holy crap, there are that many in the Bay Area and Los Angeles? On hindsight, it makes sense because more diversity does provide more opportunity for people to develop hate if the environment is one that encourages segregation - gangs and such.

You can overlay the hate group map with this map, which shows the demographic breakdown of the US (from 2010):

http://demographics.coopercenter.org...

...for more cool interactions.
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3/10/2016 4:54:27 AM
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At 3/10/2016 4:26:27 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:20:02 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:04:41 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/10/2016 2:27:25 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
4 in my immediate area. It surprises me there aren't more in one sense - because my area is VERY multicultural - but not in another sense. Because Sacramento is one of the most integrated cities in America.

http://sacramentopress.com...
http://content.time.com...

Growing up, I didn't even realize that it wasn't considered kosher in a lot of places to have friends of different races. I only realized this when I got older and started meeting not from around my area. Even in the 'hood here we have some multicultural gangs.

Cool. I'll read the articles when I can but do you think the integration is the key to Sacramento's success?

Definitely. It won't make much of an impact on racial attitudes if you have a diverse city that is highly racially segregated. I have a friend from Chicago and we were talking about this - he was something to the effect of "Yeah, we have all different kinds of races and cultures there, but they don't really interact with each other on a mass scale. Being out here is kind of a shock to see this happening on a large scale. And it's just so normal to you guys...."

Show your buddy this cool dot map of Chicago. It literally paints a picture of the segregation.

http://www.radicalcartography.net...

Lol, wow, he wasn't kidding about how racially segregated Chicago is. Geez.

Made me curious so I looked up Sacramento:

http://mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com...
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3/10/2016 4:58:04 AM
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At 3/10/2016 4:54:27 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:26:27 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:20:02 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/10/2016 4:04:41 AM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/10/2016 2:27:25 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
4 in my immediate area. It surprises me there aren't more in one sense - because my area is VERY multicultural - but not in another sense. Because Sacramento is one of the most integrated cities in America.

http://sacramentopress.com...
http://content.time.com...

Growing up, I didn't even realize that it wasn't considered kosher in a lot of places to have friends of different races. I only realized this when I got older and started meeting not from around my area. Even in the 'hood here we have some multicultural gangs.

Cool. I'll read the articles when I can but do you think the integration is the key to Sacramento's success?

Definitely. It won't make much of an impact on racial attitudes if you have a diverse city that is highly racially segregated. I have a friend from Chicago and we were talking about this - he was something to the effect of "Yeah, we have all different kinds of races and cultures there, but they don't really interact with each other on a mass scale. Being out here is kind of a shock to see this happening on a large scale. And it's just so normal to you guys...."

Show your buddy this cool dot map of Chicago. It literally paints a picture of the segregation.

http://www.radicalcartography.net...

Lol, wow, he wasn't kidding about how racially segregated Chicago is. Geez.

Made me curious so I looked up Sacramento:

http://mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com...

You can immediately see the blurred edges between more prominent areas in Sacramento, as opposed to the stark lines of Chicago. They say change happens at the fringes and this looks like an instance where that is literally what is happening.
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3/10/2016 4:59:48 AM
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At 3/10/2016 4:26:27 AM, Maikuru wrote:
Show your buddy this cool dot map of Chicago. It literally paints a picture of the segregation.

http://www.radicalcartography.net...

Is a residential map the way to figure out segregation though? I don't know about others but I rarely interact with my neighbors and even my parents don't know many people that live next to them.

People's major interactions tend to be at work with their colleagues, clients, customers, superiors, and subordinates so if someone is working in an all-white or all-black company, that would be true segregation, even more than a neighborhood being a particular way. I'll admit though that the ridiculous neatness of the Chicago segregation map is a bit disturbing - almost like a picture that a kid can color in.