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ESocialBookworm
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3/18/2016 6:49:20 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Should this teacher be removed from the education system, or left because she was "expressing her opinion" and did not actively threaten anyone?

The Naparima College teacher embroiled in controversy over a recording in which she calls for the shooting deaths of atheists and disparaging gays remains at the school as the Education Ministry probes the case. The teacher is, however, not allowed to interface with pupils. Ministry officials said the teacher was required to be at the San Fernando school as the investigation is being conducted, but would not attend classes until a decision is taken by the ministry. The woman is heard discussing homosexuality with her pupils. She likened homosexuals to atheists (people who deny or disbelieve in the existence of God). She said, "You see me, give me a gun and I will fix all the problems in the world. I will shoot both of them first and then their offspring. Do not tell me there is not a God."
Excerpt from http://www.trinidadexpress.com...
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3/18/2016 6:52:53 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
The teacher's entire rant:
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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3/18/2016 6:53:56 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
"I took a thrashing from the teachers yesterday. And I bring this to you all for you all to see the level of struggle that we face. Just as I am a teacher, I am a parent. I treat with my children at home the same way I treat with the students here. So do not as a teacher come to me and say, "Miss, you cannot have an assembly like that because the American Psychological Association says..."
"From the time you put "American" there I will say pack your so-and-so bags and go America... that being gay is a disposition that you are born with. Therefore it is acceptable children, people do not become gay just so and that was not my point. My issue is when you turn 18 or 21 and you out there, you can take a man, you can take a woman, you can take a dog, a cat, a goat, a sheep, I don"t care. You"re a grown man and you make a grown man decision. When you are here as a child, it is my obligation to protect you from what are wrong things," she said.
Source: http://www.trinidadexpress.com...
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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3/18/2016 6:57:30 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Nikesha Dublin-Fraser:
"So it appears that the problem is not so much what she said is how she said it ? or is it both.However , which ever it is, something clearly wrong with the hearing of some of you all. This teacher said nothing that is not true and what is actually taking place in most schools in T&T right now. where are the concern youth group coming to talk to the students about their sexuality and the choices they make in life.But want to come down on the teaching for saying the truth. Miss i would like to shake your hand."

Emi Reid:
"I am pretty sure she could have told them that homosexuality is wrong without saying that she could fix all the problems in the world if you gave her a gun, and that she'd shoot the parents and the offspring. It may not be a hate speech but it damn well is inappropriate and disrespectful."

Kevin Walcott
"*stueps* Is everything from the west trinis want to adopt? There is a growing trend where if anyone says something you disagree with it is considered hate speech. Social justice warriors, political correctness and feminism. Those are cults that would put Jim Jones to shame. She ain't say anything hateful. She expressed her opinion in an effort to give her student more information so they could make better decisions hat will affect their lives. What teachers are supposed to do. So she's against homosexuality. So what? *stueps*"

Shiva Alexander
"She said irreligious people and their offspring should be shot. What do you define as hate speech if not declaring a group you dislike should be purged?"

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Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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3/18/2016 7:30:20 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Yeah, that is not someone that should be teaching.
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3/18/2016 7:34:30 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/18/2016 6:53:56 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
"From the time you put "American" there I will say pack your so-and-so bags and go America..."

Do you know what that is?

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3/18/2016 10:33:46 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/18/2016 6:49:20 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Should this teacher be removed from the education system, or left because she was "expressing her opinion" and did not actively threaten anyone?

The Naparima College teacher embroiled in controversy over a recording in which she calls for the shooting deaths of atheists and disparaging gays remains at the school as the Education Ministry probes the case. The teacher is, however, not allowed to interface with pupils. Ministry officials said the teacher was required to be at the San Fernando school as the investigation is being conducted, but would not attend classes until a decision is taken by the ministry. The woman is heard discussing homosexuality with her pupils. She likened homosexuals to atheists (people who deny or disbelieve in the existence of God). She said, "You see me, give me a gun and I will fix all the problems in the world. I will shoot both of them first and then their offspring. Do not tell me there is not a God."
Excerpt from http://www.trinidadexpress.com...



Give a little more context. Did she say it in front of students or was it something that she said in private but was recorded by somebody and made public without her consent? Or was it something like a Facebook post?
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3/18/2016 11:27:36 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/18/2016 10:33:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/18/2016 6:49:20 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Should this teacher be removed from the education system, or left because she was "expressing her opinion" and did not actively threaten anyone?

The Naparima College teacher embroiled in controversy over a recording in which she calls for the shooting deaths of atheists and disparaging gays remains at the school as the Education Ministry probes the case. The teacher is, however, not allowed to interface with pupils. Ministry officials said the teacher was required to be at the San Fernando school as the investigation is being conducted, but would not attend classes until a decision is taken by the ministry. The woman is heard discussing homosexuality with her pupils. She likened homosexuals to atheists (people who deny or disbelieve in the existence of God). She said, "You see me, give me a gun and I will fix all the problems in the world. I will shoot both of them first and then their offspring. Do not tell me there is not a God."
Excerpt from http://www.trinidadexpress.com...



Give a little more context. Did she say it in front of students or was it something that she said in private but was recorded by somebody and made public without her consent? Or was it something like a Facebook post?

She said it to students, and it was recorded.
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3/19/2016 12:19:49 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/18/2016 10:33:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/18/2016 6:49:20 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Should this teacher be removed from the education system, or left because she was "expressing her opinion" and did not actively threaten anyone?

The Naparima College teacher embroiled in controversy over a recording in which she calls for the shooting deaths of atheists and disparaging gays remains at the school as the Education Ministry probes the case. The teacher is, however, not allowed to interface with pupils. Ministry officials said the teacher was required to be at the San Fernando school as the investigation is being conducted, but would not attend classes until a decision is taken by the ministry. The woman is heard discussing homosexuality with her pupils. She likened homosexuals to atheists (people who deny or disbelieve in the existence of God). She said, "You see me, give me a gun and I will fix all the problems in the world. I will shoot both of them first and then their offspring. Do not tell me there is not a God."
Excerpt from http://www.trinidadexpress.com...



Give a little more context. Did she say it in front of students or was it something that she said in private but was recorded by somebody and made public without her consent? Or was it something like a Facebook post?

IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, one of the two happened:
1. She had a "homophobic" rant in assembly. That was the rant. So yes, in front of students.
2. She had a "homophobic" rant in assembly, which she was reprimanded for by other teachers and the principal. The video was recorded when she was discussing it with her students.

EITHER WAY: You can *literally* hear the students talking in the video. So yes, she was speaking to students.
Solonkr~
I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not,
I care about how to solve problems,
which is what everyone else should also care about.

Ken~
In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it.

Me~
"BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY
MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL"

SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE

P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches.
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3/19/2016 2:50:27 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 12:19:49 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
At 3/18/2016 10:33:46 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/18/2016 6:49:20 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Should this teacher be removed from the education system, or left because she was "expressing her opinion" and did not actively threaten anyone?

The Naparima College teacher embroiled in controversy over a recording in which she calls for the shooting deaths of atheists and disparaging gays remains at the school as the Education Ministry probes the case. The teacher is, however, not allowed to interface with pupils. Ministry officials said the teacher was required to be at the San Fernando school as the investigation is being conducted, but would not attend classes until a decision is taken by the ministry. The woman is heard discussing homosexuality with her pupils. She likened homosexuals to atheists (people who deny or disbelieve in the existence of God). She said, "You see me, give me a gun and I will fix all the problems in the world. I will shoot both of them first and then their offspring. Do not tell me there is not a God."
Excerpt from http://www.trinidadexpress.com...



Give a little more context. Did she say it in front of students or was it something that she said in private but was recorded by somebody and made public without her consent? Or was it something like a Facebook post?

IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, one of the two happened:
1. She had a "homophobic" rant in assembly. That was the rant. So yes, in front of students.
2. She had a "homophobic" rant in assembly, which she was reprimanded for by other teachers and the principal. The video was recorded when she was discussing it with her students.

EITHER WAY: You can *literally* hear the students talking in the video. So yes, she was speaking to students.

Yeah then, she should probably be fired. She went far beyond simply expressing disagreement with another belief system.
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3/19/2016 7:25:03 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/18/2016 6:49:20 PM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Should this teacher be removed from the education system, or left because she was "expressing her opinion" and did not actively threaten anyone?

The Naparima College teacher embroiled in controversy over a recording in which she calls for the shooting deaths of atheists and disparaging gays remains at the school as the Education Ministry probes the case. The teacher is, however, not allowed to interface with pupils. Ministry officials said the teacher was required to be at the San Fernando school as the investigation is being conducted, but would not attend classes until a decision is taken by the ministry. The woman is heard discussing homosexuality with her pupils. She likened homosexuals to atheists (people who deny or disbelieve in the existence of God). She said, "You see me, give me a gun and I will fix all the problems in the world. I will shoot both of them first and then their offspring. Do not tell me there is not a God."
Excerpt from http://www.trinidadexpress.com...

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A teacher is supposed to try to objectively teach. Providing a biased, offensive, and violent viewpoint to students is deplorable and unacceptable. In my highschool a teacher couldn't even post a picture of themselves drinking at a party. This rant clearly crosses the line.
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3/20/2016 3:19:44 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
That teacher threatened violence. That is generally enough to remove someone from the profession, or at least it should be.
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