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3/19/2016 10:07:18 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
"New research suggests as many as half of us will slide below the poverty line for some period of time in our lives."
http://www.salon.com...

Is this a bad thing, or is being in poverty (temporarily)...good?
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3/19/2016 10:45:33 PM
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Being in poverty is not a good thing.
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3/19/2016 10:54:03 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:52:29 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:45:33 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Being in poverty is not a good thing.

*gasp*

Well...you asked...
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3/19/2016 11:17:43 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:07:18 PM, Hayd wrote:
"New research suggests as many as half of us will slide below the poverty line for some period of time in our lives."
http://www.salon.com...

Is this a bad thing, or is being in poverty (temporarily)...good?

It's obviously not a good thing. The question then becomes. Why is this happening?
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3/19/2016 11:55:30 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:54:03 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:52:29 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:45:33 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Being in poverty is not a good thing.

*gasp*

Well...you asked...

Now that I read that for the second time it was pretty idiotic. I should read things twice more often now...
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3/19/2016 11:55:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 11:17:43 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:07:18 PM, Hayd wrote:
"New research suggests as many as half of us will slide below the poverty line for some period of time in our lives."
http://www.salon.com...

Is this a bad thing, or is being in poverty (temporarily)...good?

It's obviously not a good thing. The question then becomes. Why is this happening?

Its because we are not communist
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3/20/2016 12:33:14 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 11:55:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 11:17:43 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:07:18 PM, Hayd wrote:
"New research suggests as many as half of us will slide below the poverty line for some period of time in our lives."
http://www.salon.com...

Is this a bad thing, or is being in poverty (temporarily)...good?

It's obviously not a good thing. The question then becomes. Why is this happening?

Its because we are not communist

I'm pretty sure it's because we are creating a new slave class. By giving people more free stuff they rely on that free stuff. This will create a new slave-state.
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3/20/2016 12:48:07 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
You can't tax the poor into wealth by taxing the rich out of it. Companies are sending the expensive jobs elsewhere. The Job Market is exactly that, a market. When you because more expensive then you're worth (yes, you have to be worth your pay), and a cheaper alternative exists, you risk losing your job.

You can say we should change that system, but I would love to see someone try to write that into law.
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3/20/2016 12:50:25 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 12:48:07 AM, Unitomic wrote:
You can't tax the poor into wealth by taxing the rich out of it. Companies are sending the expensive jobs elsewhere. The Job Market is exactly that, a market. When you because more expensive then you're worth (yes, you have to be worth your pay), and a cheaper alternative exists, you risk losing your job.

You can say we should change that system, but I would love to see someone try to write that into law.

In case any one needs to know why I brought up the first sentence; because the US Government has made the mistake of thinking welfare will save the nation. Creating Jobs will help us. Not more welfare.
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3/20/2016 1:35:08 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 12:50:25 AM, Unitomic wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:48:07 AM, Unitomic wrote:
You can't tax the poor into wealth by taxing the rich out of it. Companies are sending the expensive jobs elsewhere. The Job Market is exactly that, a market. When you because more expensive then you're worth (yes, you have to be worth your pay), and a cheaper alternative exists, you risk losing your job.

You can say we should change that system, but I would love to see someone try to write that into law.

In case any one needs to know why I brought up the first sentence; because the US Government has made the mistake of thinking welfare will save the nation. Creating Jobs will help us. Not more welfare.

Really wish Gary Johnson had a chance. He has the best understanding of how to create jobs.
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3/20/2016 5:19:54 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:07:18 PM, Hayd wrote:
"New research suggests as many as half of us will slide below the poverty line for some period of time in our lives."
http://www.salon.com...

Is this a bad thing, or is being in poverty (temporarily)...good?

Not American, but I believe that you Americans will be able to prevent this from happening :)
Meh!
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3/20/2016 5:21:03 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 5:19:54 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:07:18 PM, Hayd wrote:
"New research suggests as many as half of us will slide below the poverty line for some period of time in our lives."
http://www.salon.com...

Is this a bad thing, or is being in poverty (temporarily)...good?

Not American, but I believe that you Americans will be able to prevent this from happening :)

lol. Where are you from?
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3/20/2016 5:23:03 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 5:21:03 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/20/2016 5:19:54 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:07:18 PM, Hayd wrote:
"New research suggests as many as half of us will slide below the poverty line for some period of time in our lives."
http://www.salon.com...

Is this a bad thing, or is being in poverty (temporarily)...good?

Not American, but I believe that you Americans will be able to prevent this from happening :)

lol. Where are you from?

From New Zealand :)

(That place in lord of the rings!)
Meh!
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3/20/2016 5:25:31 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 5:23:03 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 3/20/2016 5:21:03 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/20/2016 5:19:54 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:07:18 PM, Hayd wrote:
"New research suggests as many as half of us will slide below the poverty line for some period of time in our lives."
http://www.salon.com...

Is this a bad thing, or is being in poverty (temporarily)...good?

Not American, but I believe that you Americans will be able to prevent this from happening :)

lol. Where are you from?

From New Zealand :)

(That place in lord of the rings!)

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3/20/2016 5:52:34 PM
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Isn't the poverty line relative?
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3/20/2016 5:57:50 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Lots of students live near or below the poverty line, as do seniors. If I recall correctly, seniors actually account for the largest group in poverty (that data may be old).
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3/20/2016 6:01:34 PM
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At 3/20/2016 5:52:34 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
Isn't the poverty line relative?

You mean by location? Maybe. From what I understand, there are three major ways to identify one's SES:

1. By annual income: You can determine your relative bracket by whether or not your income is between 2/3rds and double the median household income. If you do, you're middle class. Much lower and you're in poverty, much higher and you're considered wealthy.

2. By assets: If you fall between $0 and $401,000 in assets, you are considered middle class. Less than that and you're in debt, more than that and you're considered wealthy.

3. By annual spending: If you spend between something like $38k and $50k on living expenses each year, you're middle class. Again, less indicates poverty and more indicates wealth.

These are different economic models, so I think they are meant to be mutually exclusive indicators.
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3/22/2016 6:00:13 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 6:01:34 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/20/2016 5:52:34 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
Isn't the poverty line relative?

You mean by location? Maybe. From what I understand, there are three major ways to identify one's SES:

1. By annual income: You can determine your relative bracket by whether or not your income is between 2/3rds and double the median household income. If you do, you're middle class. Much lower and you're in poverty, much higher and you're considered wealthy.

2. By assets: If you fall between $0 and $401,000 in assets, you are considered middle class. Less than that and you're in debt, more than that and you're considered wealthy.

3. By annual spending: If you spend between something like $38k and $50k on living expenses each year, you're middle class. Again, less indicates poverty and more indicates wealth.

These are different economic models, so I think they are meant to be mutually exclusive indicators.

So, what I mean is that since the poverty line is relative, there'll always be people below it. In that case, the fact that half of Americans will be in poverty at some point doesn't necessarily lend to pessimism, because even if they're below the poverty line, they are probably better-off than the poor of the 1960s.
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3/22/2016 6:01:32 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 12:33:14 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 11:55:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 11:17:43 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:07:18 PM, Hayd wrote:
"New research suggests as many as half of us will slide below the poverty line for some period of time in our lives."
http://www.salon.com...

Is this a bad thing, or is being in poverty (temporarily)...good?

It's obviously not a good thing. The question then becomes. Why is this happening?

Its because we are not communist

I'm pretty sure it's because we are creating a new slave class. By giving people more free stuff they rely on that free stuff. This will create a new slave-state.

Not really.
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3/22/2016 6:02:53 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 6:01:32 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:33:14 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 11:55:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 11:17:43 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:07:18 PM, Hayd wrote:
"New research suggests as many as half of us will slide below the poverty line for some period of time in our lives."
http://www.salon.com...

Is this a bad thing, or is being in poverty (temporarily)...good?

It's obviously not a good thing. The question then becomes. Why is this happening?

Its because we are not communist

I'm pretty sure it's because we are creating a new slave class. By giving people more free stuff they rely on that free stuff. This will create a new slave-state.

Not really.

It's the reverse form of Marxism. By giving you free stuff, I pratically own you. You would do whatever I say just so you keep the stuff I'm giving to you. Look at the Indians, that's what occured with him and the growing poverty class is expierencing the same thing.
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3/22/2016 6:23:40 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 6:02:53 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 6:01:32 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:33:14 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 11:55:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 11:17:43 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:07:18 PM, Hayd wrote:
"New research suggests as many as half of us will slide below the poverty line for some period of time in our lives."
http://www.salon.com...

Is this a bad thing, or is being in poverty (temporarily)...good?

It's obviously not a good thing. The question then becomes. Why is this happening?

Its because we are not communist

I'm pretty sure it's because we are creating a new slave class. By giving people more free stuff they rely on that free stuff. This will create a new slave-state.

Not really.

It's the reverse form of Marxism. By giving you free stuff, I pratically own you. You would do whatever I say just so you keep the stuff I'm giving to you. Look at the Indians, that's what occured with him and the growing poverty class is expierencing the same thing.

There is no real reason to believe this is happening today.

Surely, a return to Upton Sinclair's jungle would be worse.
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3/22/2016 6:23:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:07:18 PM, Hayd wrote:
"New research suggests as many as half of us will slide below the poverty line for some period of time in our lives."
http://www.salon.com...

Is this a bad thing, or is being in poverty (temporarily)...good?

Being in poverty temporarily isn't good, but as long as their no harm done, most people who climb out don't really look at it as the dark part of their life, at least not in my area. Its hard at the time, but the pride and perspective afterwards could be called good. I don't really think the statistic is in itself anything to be alarmed by. Unless you are the master of stability, your bound to have some ups and downs, especially at young age, and in a modest retirement. Just get back up.
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3/22/2016 6:27:40 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 6:23:40 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 6:02:53 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 6:01:32 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:33:14 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 11:55:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 11:17:43 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:07:18 PM, Hayd wrote:
"New research suggests as many as half of us will slide below the poverty line for some period of time in our lives."
http://www.salon.com...

Is this a bad thing, or is being in poverty (temporarily)...good?

It's obviously not a good thing. The question then becomes. Why is this happening?

Its because we are not communist

I'm pretty sure it's because we are creating a new slave class. By giving people more free stuff they rely on that free stuff. This will create a new slave-state.

Not really.

It's the reverse form of Marxism. By giving you free stuff, I pratically own you. You would do whatever I say just so you keep the stuff I'm giving to you. Look at the Indians, that's what occured with him and the growing poverty class is expierencing the same thing.

There is no real reason to believe this is happening today.

Surely, a return to Upton Sinclair's jungle would be worse.

Surely 1984 would be worse. Besides, theses are the very things that Saul D Alinsky wanted to happen. This very way.
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3/22/2016 6:29:05 PM
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At 3/22/2016 6:27:40 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Surely 1984 would be worse. Besides, theses are the very things that Saul D Alinsky wanted to happen. This very way.

Your fear is more like Huxley than Orwell. I don't really see either happening, tbh. Maybe those fears will arise in a two or three centuries, but that would only be wild speculation.
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3/22/2016 7:00:23 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 6:29:05 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 6:27:40 PM, lannan13 wrote:
Surely 1984 would be worse. Besides, theses are the very things that Saul D Alinsky wanted to happen. This very way.

Your fear is more like Huxley than Orwell. I don't really see either happening, tbh. Maybe those fears will arise in a two or three centuries, but that would only be wild speculation.

Either way. These pieces are beginning to fall into place whether we like it or not.
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3/23/2016 1:01:31 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 6:00:13 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 3/20/2016 6:01:34 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 3/20/2016 5:52:34 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
Isn't the poverty line relative?

You mean by location? Maybe. From what I understand, there are three major ways to identify one's SES:

1. By annual income: You can determine your relative bracket by whether or not your income is between 2/3rds and double the median household income. If you do, you're middle class. Much lower and you're in poverty, much higher and you're considered wealthy.

2. By assets: If you fall between $0 and $401,000 in assets, you are considered middle class. Less than that and you're in debt, more than that and you're considered wealthy.

3. By annual spending: If you spend between something like $38k and $50k on living expenses each year, you're middle class. Again, less indicates poverty and more indicates wealth.

These are different economic models, so I think they are meant to be mutually exclusive indicators.

So, what I mean is that since the poverty line is relative, there'll always be people below it. In that case, the fact that half of Americans will be in poverty at some point doesn't necessarily lend to pessimism, because even if they're below the poverty line, they are probably better-off than the poor of the 1960s.

Depending on how we define poverty, there don't necessarily have to be people below it, but that's really irrelevant.

I would be curious about your last comment about poverty comparisons over time. Cost of living was certainly lower during the 60's, also.
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