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charleslb
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11/20/2010 1:50:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
What Does Our Interest in the Upcoming Royal Wedding Tell Us About Ourselves?

Well, another member of the British royal family is getting married and the media hoopla machine is in overdrive! On both sides of the Atlantic tabloid rags and TV shows are stoking the public's interest in the upcoming nuptials. But exactly what cultural statement does all this interest in a royal wedding make about us?

To state the facts of the matter, the "constitutional monarchies" of Britain, Spain, Sweden, The Netherlands, etc. are anachronistic vestiges of an age when countries were ruled by dictators with a crown. Well, what were kings & queens when they had power but dictators with crowns and an arrogant sense of entitlement to wear them?

Despite the democratic zeitgeist having been in vogue for some time now, some countries have retained figurehead royal families out of a misguided sense of history and tradition. People's senselessly nostalgic attachment to the past prevents them from letting go of the pomp, ceremony, and romance associated with royalty. The historical reality of butchers like Henry VIII and Ivan the Terrible doesn't seem to make much of a dent in our sentimental, idealized image of the regal sovereigns of yesteryear.

Royal rulers, princes, dukes, earls, etc. were Tony Soprano in robes and jerkins. They were an oppressive ruling class that literally lorded their higher status and socio-political dominance over the rest of society. They do not deserve to be remembered fondly, nor should modern day royals be overly romanticized. We should never let it slip our minds that the only reason today's royals aren't visiting hardship and pain on us is that they've been declawed and defanged.

But many of us do seem to admire and follow the private lives of today's impotent imperators. Apparently the values and worldview of democracy haven't completely overwritten the centuries of socio-cultural programming that our ancestors were subjected to, programming designed to make them servilely respectful of their higher ups in the power structure of society. What's more, the romantic interest of modern people in royalty is also symptomatic of the fact that the socio-cultural programming hasn't ever stopped. Despite our façade of being a democratic society we're still taught to respect and esteem our modern ruling elite.

Of course that elite is no longer a pedigreed nobility, nowadays it's a self-appointed moneyed aristocracy. But the idea that the high status of the rich in society is somehow legitimate and confers respectability is still being ingrained in our brains. Yes, we're conditioned to be okay with the reality that we don't have a socially level and just system. Thanks to our political upbringing we don't really, as a society, seem to believe all that much in egalitarianism. Once upon a time the slogan of the democratic movement was liberté, égalité, fraternite, today "liberty" is just another buzzword in the rhetoric of our faux representative system, and equality and brotherhood, well, these concepts have taken on a pinko coloration in many people's eyes.

To the extent that they do value equality, Americans like to fool themselves that their society is classless, or that everyone is a part of the great inclusive middle class. This has always been rubbish of course, and increasingly the middle class is disappearing, giving way to a society more starkly divided into a favored few haves, and masses of extremely less fortunate have-nots. But then we have our forms of escapism, which includes consuming tabloid fluff about the likes of Princess Grace and now Prince William and his fiancée. Yes, thanks to the royals and other celebrities we don't have to dwell on the hard facts of life under capitalism, we can let our thoughts be occupied with all the glamour and romance and lifestyles of the rich & famous.

What our interest in the upcoming royal wedding says about us, the message that it sends to the folks at the top of the socio-economic food chain, is that they have our minds right where they want them, in a place of apathetic acceptance of our own station in society, and romantic idealization of those above us.
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11/20/2010 4:01:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'm interested on the basis that I find Kate Middleton quite attractive.
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11/20/2010 4:18:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Darn, I saw this in my news feed and thought it would it be one of Eggleston's hilarious rants. Now I'm disappointed. :(
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11/20/2010 4:20:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 4:04:53 PM, Ren wrote:
How did you even come up with so many words to write on such a subject?

Lmao!
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11/20/2010 5:22:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 4:18:30 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Darn, I saw this in my news feed and thought it would it be one of Eggleston's hilarious rants. Now I'm disappointed. :(

This.
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11/20/2010 5:33:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 5:22:30 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 11/20/2010 4:18:30 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Darn, I saw this in my news feed and thought it would it be one of Eggleston's hilarious rants. Now I'm disappointed. :(

This.

If they get married during the week, us Brits will get a day off work, but the thoughtless bastards will probably follow tradition and get married on a Saturday instead.

Still, the Queen's getting on a bit now and there's a 5 in 7 chance that she'll snuff it on a weekday...finger's crossed.

What? She has to die sometime...
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11/20/2010 11:27:25 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 1:50:28 PM, charleslb wrote:
I am a boring, blathering dullard who thinks being anti-monarchist is cool and edgy.

Each to their own I guess.
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11/20/2010 11:29:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 5:33:55 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 11/20/2010 5:22:30 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 11/20/2010 4:18:30 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Darn, I saw this in my news feed and thought it would it be one of Eggleston's hilarious rants. Now I'm disappointed. :(

This.

If they get married during the week, us Brits will get a day off work, but the thoughtless bastards will probably follow tradition and get married on a Saturday instead.

As long as it does not clash with mine, though presumably we won't be using the same venue or have overlapping guest lists.


Still, the Queen's getting on a bit now and there's a 5 in 7 chance that she'll snuff it on a weekday...finger's crossed.

What? She has to die sometime...

You socialistic swine!
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11/22/2010 10:38:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
"The Bishop of Willesden, the Rt Rev Pete Broadbent, said the marriage would last about seven years.

'We need a party in Calais (France) for all good republicans who can't stand the nauseating tosh that surrounds this event,' he wrote of the wedding day."

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11/22/2010 10:42:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/22/2010 10:38:49 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
"The Bishop of Willesden, the Rt Rev Pete Broadbent, said the marriage would last about seven years.

'We need a party in Calais (France) for all good republicans who can't stand the nauseating tosh that surrounds this event,' he wrote of the wedding day."

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

What a prick. He will presumably resign from the Royalist institution he works for right?
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11/22/2010 10:58:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/22/2010 10:42:13 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 11/22/2010 10:38:49 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
"The Bishop of Willesden, the Rt Rev Pete Broadbent, said the marriage would last about seven years.

'We need a party in Calais (France) for all good republicans who can't stand the nauseating tosh that surrounds this event,' he wrote of the wedding day."

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

What a prick. He will presumably resign from the Royalist institution he works for right?

Bearing in mind the Queen is the Head of the Church of England and, therefore, his ultimate boss (if you don't count God) I don't think he'll have much choice!
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11/22/2010 11:08:20 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/22/2010 10:58:08 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 11/22/2010 10:42:13 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 11/22/2010 10:38:49 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
"The Bishop of Willesden, the Rt Rev Pete Broadbent, said the marriage would last about seven years.

'We need a party in Calais (France) for all good republicans who can't stand the nauseating tosh that surrounds this event,' he wrote of the wedding day."

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

What a prick. He will presumably resign from the Royalist institution he works for right?

Bearing in mind the Queen is the Head of the Church of England and, therefore, his ultimate boss (if you don't count God) I don't think he'll have much choice!

Exactly, or will he choose to resign in the event that Prince William becomes his God, sorry... ascends the throne.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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11/25/2010 4:33:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/23/2010 4:16:56 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
FRIDAY 29th April!

DAY OFF WORK!

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

Not for me.
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12/6/2010 10:05:36 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/4/2010 10:27:21 PM, True2GaGa wrote:
I estimate they'll be divorced within 5 years.

Probably about right: the trouble is the Prince couldn't marry just anyone, he had to find a girl from his own elevated social circle - and in my experience posh birds aren't very nice (either to look at or to talk to).
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12/6/2010 1:27:15 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/6/2010 10:05:36 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 12/4/2010 10:27:21 PM, True2GaGa wrote:
I estimate they'll be divorced within 5 years.

Probably about right: the trouble is the Prince couldn't marry just anyone, he had to find a girl from his own elevated social circle - and in my experience posh birds aren't very nice (either to look at or to talk to).

She is a commoner.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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12/8/2010 11:36:08 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/20/2010 11:27:25 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 11/20/2010 1:50:28 PM, charleslb wrote:
I am a boring, blathering dullard who thinks being anti-monarchist is cool and edgy.

Each to their own I guess.

And then there are those who think that being a caustic, cynical belittler makes them cool and witty. Each to their own way of getting their ego off I guess (and even if, for argument's sake, I were to agree that we're all just getting our egos off, well, some ways are still more meritable than others).
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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12/8/2010 11:40:14 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/6/2010 1:27:15 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 12/6/2010 10:05:36 AM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 12/4/2010 10:27:21 PM, True2GaGa wrote:
I estimate they'll be divorced within 5 years.

Probably about right: the trouble is the Prince couldn't marry just anyone, he had to find a girl from his own elevated social circle - and in my experience posh birds aren't very nice (either to look at or to talk to).

She is a commoner.

A commoner? Depends on how you define that, she isn't titled nobility, and some of her ancestors were "common laborers", but her parents are millionaire business owners, live in a £1million house, sent her to what's often described as the "elite" Marlborough College, etc., and then add to this the fact that some of her ancestors were wealthy cloth merchants and you can hardly view her as the middle-class girl next door!

But let's remember that pretty Kate and the question of her social status in British society isn't really all that relevant to the thesis of this thread. I'll restate the thesis of the thread in a nutshell: The public's fascination with the upcoming nuptials of a Prince of the realm reminds us that just below all our modern democratic values and thinking lies and lurks ten thousand years of conditioning to respect and idolize the elite of one's society. And that this accretion of our acculturation to bow and scrape before our betters is not a harmlessly quaint throw back to an age of royal pomp and ceremony, it also inclines us to accept the unequal socio-economic status quo and power structure of our society, i.e. it helps inoculate our minds to consent to continue the unfair disparities of our system.

Thus does all the media hoopla surrounding the weddings, relationships, and lives of royals feed into our socio-cultural brainwashing to know and keep our place, and to allow the elite to keep their place above us, in other words, it helps perpetuate the whole class structure of society. Therefore it's a regrettable mistake for working-class people to get caught up in the fluffy coverage of royal weddings and other doings, it only serves to help lock us into a subordinate position in the socio-economic food chain.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.