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4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

This prompted me to wonder the same thing. So...

Why DO people choose to be homosexual?

Keep in mind I'm asking why people choose to be romantically and/or sexually involved with someone of the same gender, NOT referring to attraction or preference here.
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4/11/2016 4:41:26 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

This prompted me to wonder the same thing. So...

Why DO people choose to be homosexual?

Keep in mind I'm asking why people choose to be romantically and/or sexually involved with someone of the same gender, NOT referring to attraction or preference here.

I don't know why, personally, but I think it's morbid curiosity.
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4/11/2016 5:36:42 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 4:41:26 PM, roun12 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

This prompted me to wonder the same thing. So...

Why DO people choose to be homosexual?

Keep in mind I'm asking why people choose to be romantically and/or sexually involved with someone of the same gender, NOT referring to attraction or preference here.

I don't know why, personally, but I think it's morbid curiosity.

I'm only asking because other people asked and I wanted to know what people think.
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4/11/2016 5:37:39 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 4:53:46 PM, Daedal wrote:
Cos they want to get laid and don't fancy the opposite sex.

But why choose to do that when they could just as easily be with someone of the opposite sex?

Why pay any attention to your attraction to the same sex at all?
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4/11/2016 5:37:59 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
This is the second thread you've started along these lines, so it seems to be important to you to show that homosexuality is a choice rather than something innate, and that it is the act which is the defining issue: that if people don't act on their feelings then they're not gay.

That's a bit wierd imho. Who cares about other people's motives for their sex lives, in fact who really cares about other people's sex lives at all?

I'm assuming here that you're not gay (tell me if I'm wrong). Have you considered that you may be a repressed homosexual? In that case, if you will not/cannot come to terms with your sexuality, then by saying that people are not gay unless they act on that impulse, absolves you from needing to acknowledge your own situation?

Just a thought for you to take or leave.
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4/11/2016 6:00:15 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

Homosexuality isn't a choice.

This prompted me to wonder the same thing. So...

Why DO people choose to be homosexual?

Again, homosexuality isn't a choice.

Keep in mind I'm asking why people choose to be romantically and/or sexually involved with someone of the same gender, NOT referring to attraction or preference here.
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4/11/2016 6:11:56 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 5:37:39 PM, zoinks wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:53:46 PM, Daedal wrote:
Cos they want to get laid and don't fancy the opposite sex.

But why choose to do that when they could just as easily be with someone of the opposite sex?

Why pay any attention to your attraction to the same sex at all?

Cos it's nicer, and more fun, and .... why not?

Note: ignore the duplicate below.
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4/11/2016 6:48:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 6:00:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

Homosexuality isn't a choice.

How would you define "choice" here?

This prompted me to wonder the same thing. So...

Why DO people choose to be homosexual?

Again, homosexuality isn't a choice.

Keep in mind I'm asking why people choose to be romantically and/or sexually involved with someone of the same gender, NOT referring to attraction or preference here.
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4/11/2016 7:25:38 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 6:48:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:00:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

Homosexuality isn't a choice.

How would you define "choice" here?

Being a homosexual isn't your fault. In this scenario and in this particular context I would define the sentence as a whole as being able to make the decision between being attracted to one sex or the other. Homosexuality is the result of specific abnormalities in genetic makeup and makeup of DNA (by using the word 'abnormality' I am not intending to be offensive, I am using the word to mean that it is uncommon and isn't usual - not that it is a negative thing).
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4/11/2016 7:29:45 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 7:25:38 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:48:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:00:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

Homosexuality isn't a choice.

How would you define "choice" here?

Being a homosexual isn't your fault. In this scenario and in this particular context I would define the sentence as a whole as being able to make the decision between being attracted to one sex or the other. Homosexuality is the result of specific abnormalities in genetic makeup and makeup of DNA (by using the word 'abnormality' I am not intending to be offensive, I am using the word to mean that it is uncommon and isn't usual - not that it is a negative thing).

So you're saying that same-sex attraction is not a choice.
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4/11/2016 7:30:30 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 7:29:45 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/11/2016 7:25:38 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:48:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:00:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

Homosexuality isn't a choice.

How would you define "choice" here?

Being a homosexual isn't your fault. In this scenario and in this particular context I would define the sentence as a whole as being able to make the decision between being attracted to one sex or the other. Homosexuality is the result of specific abnormalities in genetic makeup and makeup of DNA (by using the word 'abnormality' I am not intending to be offensive, I am using the word to mean that it is uncommon and isn't usual - not that it is a negative thing).

So you're saying that same-sex attraction is not a choice.

Correct.
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4/11/2016 7:32:56 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 7:30:30 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 7:29:45 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/11/2016 7:25:38 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:48:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:00:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

Homosexuality isn't a choice.

How would you define "choice" here?

Being a homosexual isn't your fault. In this scenario and in this particular context I would define the sentence as a whole as being able to make the decision between being attracted to one sex or the other. Homosexuality is the result of specific abnormalities in genetic makeup and makeup of DNA (by using the word 'abnormality' I am not intending to be offensive, I am using the word to mean that it is uncommon and isn't usual - not that it is a negative thing).

So you're saying that same-sex attraction is not a choice.

Correct.

I would argue that a person with homosexual tendencies can recondiion himself so that same-sex attractions are fleeting and momentary instead of all-consuming and that he can become capable of finding pleasure in female sexual characteristics.
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4/11/2016 7:34:37 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 7:32:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/11/2016 7:30:30 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 7:29:45 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/11/2016 7:25:38 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:48:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:00:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

Homosexuality isn't a choice.

How would you define "choice" here?

Being a homosexual isn't your fault. In this scenario and in this particular context I would define the sentence as a whole as being able to make the decision between being attracted to one sex or the other. Homosexuality is the result of specific abnormalities in genetic makeup and makeup of DNA (by using the word 'abnormality' I am not intending to be offensive, I am using the word to mean that it is uncommon and isn't usual - not that it is a negative thing).

So you're saying that same-sex attraction is not a choice.

Correct.

I would argue that a person with homosexual tendencies can recondiion himself so that same-sex attractions are fleeting and momentary instead of all-consuming and that he can become capable of finding pleasure in female sexual characteristics.

Well then you'd be arguing against humanities scientific understanding of homosexuality and it's primary cause.
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4/11/2016 8:04:57 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 5:37:59 PM, Daedal wrote:
This is the second thread you've started along these lines, so it seems to be important to you to show that homosexuality is a choice rather than something innate, and that it is the act which is the defining issue: that if people don't act on their feelings then they're not gay.

There's always at least one person (and often many more) who insist upon jumping to conclusions or reading something into what's being said that simply isn't there.

You probably won't be the last, but you are the first to do it here with that little piece of mostly fiction.

That's a bit wierd imho.

What's weird is that you feel the need to insist something is in what I said other than what I said.

Who cares about other people's motives for their sex lives, in fact who really cares about other people's sex lives at all?

I care about that which is logical; that is to say, I care about those things which can affect myself, the people I care about, and the world around me.

I'm assuming here that you're not gay (tell me if I'm wrong). Have you considered that you may be a repressed homosexual? In that case, if you will not/cannot come to terms with your sexuality, then by saying that people are not gay unless they act on that impulse, absolves you from needing to acknowledge your own situation?

Just a thought for you to take or leave.

Or perhaps I'm just someone who wants to have a question answered, without anything else "hidden" in what I say. Yeah, maybe that.
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4/11/2016 8:06:47 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 6:00:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

Homosexuality isn't a choice.

Go back and re-read the first post. We're past that and discussing it for the choice it is. Don't go off topic by trying to re-hash something that's over.

This prompted me to wonder the same thing. So...

Why DO people choose to be homosexual?

Again, homosexuality isn't a choice.

Again, we're discussing it for the choice it is.

Keep in mind I'm asking why people choose to be romantically and/or sexually involved with someone of the same gender, NOT referring to attraction or preference here.

See this part you didn't respond to? That says we're discussing the choice. Maybe read it.
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4/11/2016 8:07:56 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 6:11:56 PM, Daedal wrote:
At 4/11/2016 5:37:39 PM, zoinks wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:53:46 PM, Daedal wrote:
Cos they want to get laid and don't fancy the opposite sex.

But why choose to do that when they could just as easily be with someone of the opposite sex?

Why pay any attention to your attraction to the same sex at all?

Cos it's nicer, and more fun, and .... why not?

Note: ignore the duplicate below.

Why is it supposedly nicer? Why do you have to do whatever you think is nicer if it supposedly causes so many other issues?
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4/11/2016 8:08:39 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 6:48:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:00:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

Homosexuality isn't a choice.

How would you define "choice" here?

Do you or do you not choose who you are with in a romantic and/or sexual way? That's what we're talking about here.
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4/11/2016 8:09:30 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 7:25:38 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:48:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:00:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

Homosexuality isn't a choice.

How would you define "choice" here?

Being a homosexual isn't your fault. In this scenario and in this particular context I would define the sentence as a whole as being able to make the decision between being attracted to one sex or the other.

We're not talking about attraction here but about choice of romantic and/or sexual partner.
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4/11/2016 8:10:54 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 7:32:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/11/2016 7:30:30 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 7:29:45 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/11/2016 7:25:38 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:48:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:00:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

Homosexuality isn't a choice.

How would you define "choice" here?

Being a homosexual isn't your fault. In this scenario and in this particular context I would define the sentence as a whole as being able to make the decision between being attracted to one sex or the other. Homosexuality is the result of specific abnormalities in genetic makeup and makeup of DNA (by using the word 'abnormality' I am not intending to be offensive, I am using the word to mean that it is uncommon and isn't usual - not that it is a negative thing).

So you're saying that same-sex attraction is not a choice.

Correct.

I would argue that a person with homosexual tendencies can recondiion himself so that same-sex attractions are fleeting and momentary instead of all-consuming and that he can become capable of finding pleasure in female sexual characteristics.

I'm wondering why one would want to choose a homosexual partner if it causes so many other potential issues in other areas of life. After all, no matter if you are more attracted to those of the same gender, you can always select a different partner if it means that much to you for whatever other reasons.
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4/11/2016 8:27:55 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

This prompted me to wonder the same thing. So...

Why DO people choose to be homosexual?

Keep in mind I'm asking why people choose to be romantically and/or sexually involved with someone of the same gender, NOT referring to attraction or preference here.

You can't choose whether you are homosexual, but you can choose whether or not you act on it.

If you are a homosexual woman who chooses to have sexual relationships with men, you are still a homosexual.
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4/11/2016 8:47:04 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 8:06:47 PM, zoinks wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:00:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

Homosexuality isn't a choice.

Go back and re-read the first post. We're past that and discussing it for the choice it is. Don't go off topic by trying to re-hash something that's over.

This prompted me to wonder the same thing. So...

Why DO people choose to be homosexual?

Again, homosexuality isn't a choice.

Again, we're discussing it for the choice it is.

Keep in mind I'm asking why people choose to be romantically and/or sexually involved with someone of the same gender, NOT referring to attraction or preference here.

See this part you didn't respond to? That says we're discussing the choice. Maybe read it.

It's imposdible for me to discuss why homosexuals are attracted to each other without mentioning genetics. That like making a forum for the topic 1+1=3 and then telling all the people that correct you that there posts are irrelevant. You OP is faced with a logical fallacy and is scientifically incorrect you can't seriously discuss a topic that is untrue which is why I pointed that out.
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4/11/2016 10:47:25 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Meth.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/12/2016 11:34:57 AM
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Anyone who defines themselves by their sexual behavior is probably a pervert.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/12/2016 1:52:07 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/11/2016 8:07:56 PM, zoinks wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:11:56 PM, Daedal wrote:
At 4/11/2016 5:37:39 PM, zoinks wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:53:46 PM, Daedal wrote:
Cos they want to get laid and don't fancy the opposite sex.

But why choose to do that when they could just as easily be with someone of the opposite sex?

Why pay any attention to your attraction to the same sex at all?

Cos it's nicer, and more fun, and .... why not?

Note: ignore the duplicate below.

Why is it supposedly nicer? Why do you have to do whatever you think is nicer if it supposedly causes so many other issues?

What other issues does it cause?
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4/12/2016 1:53:25 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/11/2016 8:04:57 PM, zoinks wrote:
At 4/11/2016 5:37:59 PM, Daedal wrote:
This is the second thread you've started along these lines, so it seems to be important to you to show that homosexuality is a choice rather than something innate, and that it is the act which is the defining issue: that if people don't act on their feelings then they're not gay.

There's always at least one person (and often many more) who insist upon jumping to conclusions or reading something into what's being said that simply isn't there.

You probably won't be the last, but you are the first to do it here with that little piece of mostly fiction.

That's a bit wierd imho.

What's weird is that you feel the need to insist something is in what I said other than what I said.

Who cares about other people's motives for their sex lives, in fact who really cares about other people's sex lives at all?

I care about that which is logical; that is to say, I care about those things which can affect myself, the people I care about, and the world around me.

I'm assuming here that you're not gay (tell me if I'm wrong). Have you considered that you may be a repressed homosexual? In that case, if you will not/cannot come to terms with your sexuality, then by saying that people are not gay unless they act on that impulse, absolves you from needing to acknowledge your own situation?

Just a thought for you to take or leave.

Or perhaps I'm just someone who wants to have a question answered, without anything else "hidden" in what I say. Yeah, maybe that.

Maybe not. Maybe you should look deeper.
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4/12/2016 3:17:52 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

This prompted me to wonder the same thing. So...

Why DO people choose to be homosexual?

Keep in mind I'm asking why people choose to be romantically and/or sexually involved with someone of the same gender, NOT referring to attraction or preference here.

Are you confident you are trying to get a question asked?

As it stands, you are laying planks for a agenda, specifically your agenda.
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4/12/2016 3:34:05 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/11/2016 8:27:55 PM, janesix wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

This prompted me to wonder the same thing. So...

Why DO people choose to be homosexual?

Keep in mind I'm asking why people choose to be romantically and/or sexually involved with someone of the same gender, NOT referring to attraction or preference here.

You can't choose whether you are homosexual, but you can choose whether or not you act on it.

You can't be a homosexual (or a heterosexual, or any sexuality for that matter) if you never take action to select a romantic and/or sexual partner. It's just not possible.

If you are a homosexual woman who chooses to have sexual relationships with men, you are still a homosexual.

I hate when people spew this kind of ridiculous BS.

There's no such thing as a homosexual woman having sexual relationships with men.

Such a woman would be heterosexual based upon her actions, as there is literally nothing to define her as anything else.

Bottom line - no one has any logical reason to care what your desires or attractions are if you don't act on them. IN FACT, most of the time people won't even know what your desires or attractions are if you don't act on them.
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4/12/2016 3:40:45 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/11/2016 8:47:04 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 8:06:47 PM, zoinks wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:00:15 PM, famousdebater wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:25:50 PM, zoinks wrote:
Several people have asked an interesting question in another thread...

Why would anyone choose to be homosexual?

Homosexuality isn't a choice.

Go back and re-read the first post. We're past that and discussing it for the choice it is. Don't go off topic by trying to re-hash something that's over.

This prompted me to wonder the same thing. So...

Why DO people choose to be homosexual?

Again, homosexuality isn't a choice.

Again, we're discussing it for the choice it is.

Keep in mind I'm asking why people choose to be romantically and/or sexually involved with someone of the same gender, NOT referring to attraction or preference here.

See this part you didn't respond to? That says we're discussing the choice. Maybe read it.

It's imposdible for me to discuss why homosexuals are attracted to each other without mentioning genetics.

Since we're NOT discussing why anyone is attracted to anyone, but rather why they choose the partners they choose, your statement here is irrelevant.

That like making a forum for the topic 1+1=3 and then telling all the people that correct you that there posts are irrelevant.

No. It's like creating a forum to discuss why people live in a particular neighborhood despite the risks and having someone like you respond and decide to discuss the fact they all seem to like the same breed of dog, even though there's nothing to connect the two. It's completely off topic.

You OP is faced with a logical fallacy and is scientifically incorrect you can't seriously discuss a topic that is untrue which is why I pointed that out.

The original post is entirely logical. Point out how a fallacy supposedly exists if you believe otherwise, and remember "because I say so" isn't going to fly.

It is also scientifically correct. Point out how people don't choose their romantic and/or sexual partners if you believe otherwise.

The posts are true. You just don't agree with them and are trying to cause problems.