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4/15/2016 4:23:46 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
I agree a lot of porn is needlessly aggressive, and often times just cartoonish. This is why I make a point of being affectionate towards all the actresses in the porn I star in.
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4/15/2016 5:07:00 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 4:23:46 AM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
I agree a lot of porn is needlessly aggressive, and often times just cartoonish. This is why I make a point of being affectionate towards all the actresses in the porn I star in.

Amazing response.
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4/15/2016 5:11:17 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 5:07:00 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 4/15/2016 4:23:46 AM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
I agree a lot of porn is needlessly aggressive, and often times just cartoonish. This is why I make a point of being affectionate towards all the actresses in the porn I star in.

Amazing response.

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4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".
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4/15/2016 5:58:13 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

wow - we actually agree on something! :)
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4/15/2016 11:40:39 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

So you are against a woman making a conscious choice to use her body in a fashion she sees fit, while bolstering your own conservative value? Stop repressing women! How dare you!

See also: some women find their porn career empowering, etc.
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4/15/2016 11:58:57 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 4:23:46 AM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
I agree a lot of porn is needlessly aggressive, and often times just cartoonish. This is why I make a point of being affectionate towards all the actresses in the porn I star in.

+1, amazing reply.

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4/15/2016 3:14:25 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

Which category of porn is objectifying women? If all, is this also the case in femdom porn?
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4/15/2016 3:41:08 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 3:14:25 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

Which category of porn is objectifying women? If all, is this also the case in femdom porn?

Shhhh shshshsh.

Not yet. I want to see if porn is objectifying or empowering.
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4/15/2016 4:01:33 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 3:41:08 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:14:25 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

Which category of porn is objectifying women? If all, is this also the case in femdom porn?

Shhhh shshshsh.

Not yet. I want to see if porn is objectifying or empowering.

Come on. It's an axiom that all male porn actors are living their dreams, while all female porn actresses are forced to do their jobs. Even in amateur porn.
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4/15/2016 4:17:09 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 11:40:39 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

So you are against a woman making a conscious choice to use her body in a fashion she sees fit, while bolstering your own conservative value? Stop repressing women! How dare you!

See also: some women find their porn career empowering, etc.

You're one of the two people to call me a conservative. I'm not basing my views on pornography on conservative values. This isn't "repressing" them, this is to stop the subordination of women. And as for that latter part, erotica would still exist, but if a woman finds things like being urinated on "empowering" then there's clearly something wrong with them.
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4/15/2016 4:19:14 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 3:14:25 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

Which category of porn is objectifying women? If all, is this also the case in femdom porn?

Categories where women are presented dehumanized as sexual objects, women are presented as sexual objects who enjoy humiliation or pain, women are presented as sexual objects experiencing sexual pleasure in rape, incest, or other sexual assault, women are presented as sexual objects tied up or cut up or mutilated or bruised or physically hurt, and women are presented in scenarios of degradation, humiliation, injury, torture, shown as filthy or inferior, bleeding, bruised or hurt in a context that makes these conditions sexual.
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4/15/2016 4:21:45 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 4:19:14 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:14:25 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

Which category of porn is objectifying women? If all, is this also the case in femdom porn?

Categories where women are presented dehumanized as sexual objects, women are presented as sexual objects who enjoy humiliation or pain, women are presented as sexual objects experiencing sexual pleasure in rape, incest, or other sexual assault, women are presented as sexual objects tied up or cut up or mutilated or bruised or physically hurt, and women are presented in scenarios of degradation, humiliation, injury, torture, shown as filthy or inferior, bleeding, bruised or hurt in a context that makes these conditions sexual.

Porn sounds nuts.
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4/15/2016 4:45:45 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 4:17:09 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 11:40:39 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

So you are against a woman making a conscious choice to use her body in a fashion she sees fit, while bolstering your own conservative value? Stop repressing women! How dare you!

See also: some women find their porn career empowering, etc.

You're one of the two people to call me a conservative. I'm not basing my views on pornography on conservative values. This isn't "repressing" them, this is to stop the subordination of women. And as for that latter part, erotica would still exist, but if a woman finds things like being urinated on "empowering" then there's clearly something wrong with them.

How would you suggest promoting Erotica to replace the other forms?
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4/15/2016 4:50:40 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 4:45:45 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 4/15/2016 4:17:09 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 11:40:39 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

So you are against a woman making a conscious choice to use her body in a fashion she sees fit, while bolstering your own conservative value? Stop repressing women! How dare you!

See also: some women find their porn career empowering, etc.

You're one of the two people to call me a conservative. I'm not basing my views on pornography on conservative values. This isn't "repressing" them, this is to stop the subordination of women. And as for that latter part, erotica would still exist, but if a woman finds things like being urinated on "empowering" then there's clearly something wrong with them.

How would you suggest promoting Erotica to replace the other forms?

Having the porn industry begin advertising it and encouraging a different approach to porn, whilst also slowly demonizing the harmful forms of porn. Awareness programs would help, as well as personal accounts of the harms of the porn industry like the one from Linda Lovelace. It would be extremely difficult, but when it becomes more and more mainstream things would be much easier.
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4/15/2016 4:56:36 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 4:19:14 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:14:25 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

Which category of porn is objectifying women? If all, is this also the case in femdom porn?

Categories where women are presented dehumanized as sexual objects, women are presented as sexual objects who enjoy humiliation or pain, women are presented as sexual objects experiencing sexual pleasure in rape, incest, or other sexual assault, women are presented as sexual objects tied up or cut up or mutilated or bruised or physically hurt, and women are presented in scenarios of degradation, humiliation, injury, torture, shown as filthy or inferior, bleeding, bruised or hurt in a context that makes these conditions sexual.

There is porn where same things happen to men, sometimes where the woman is the dominant one. Is this objectifying too? And didn't you know of the enormous amount of women and men who actually enjoy being humiliated in that way? Is the consensuality of the actors in the porn still not a reason to accept it?
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4/15/2016 4:58:18 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 4:17:09 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 11:40:39 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

So you are against a woman making a conscious choice to use her body in a fashion she sees fit, while bolstering your own conservative value? Stop repressing women! How dare you!

See also: some women find their porn career empowering, etc.

You're one of the two people to call me a conservative. I'm not basing my views on pornography on conservative values. This isn't "repressing" them, this is to stop the subordination of women. And as for that latter part, erotica would still exist, but if a woman finds things like being urinated on "empowering" then there's clearly something wrong with them.

They're calling you a conservative because policing sexuality for someone's 'own good' is an essentially conservative position. It's always been a hallmark of conservative attacks on what they considered vulgar or subversive. It's the same argument used against interracial relationships; there 'must be something wrong' with a white woman who subjects herself to 'degradation.' It strips people of agency in the name of preserving prevalent public sensibilities. Are there problems with the porn industry? Yes. But they won't be addressed by trying to tell people what they can and cannot enjoy.

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4/15/2016 5:09:55 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

This response does a good job of illuminating some of the contradictions inherent to feminism on the issue of female sexuality....
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4/15/2016 5:25:08 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 11:40:39 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

So you are against a woman making a conscious choice to use her body in a fashion she sees fit, while bolstering your own conservative value? Stop repressing women! How dare you!

See also: some women find their porn career empowering, etc.

That's because fat whale like feminists are annoyed when they see skinny young women getting grinded on when they can't even get a blind man.
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4/15/2016 8:34:11 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 4:19:14 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:14:25 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

Which category of porn is objectifying women? If all, is this also the case in femdom porn?

Categories where women are presented dehumanized as sexual objects, women are presented as sexual objects who enjoy humiliation or pain, women are presented as sexual objects experiencing sexual pleasure in rape, incest, or other sexual assault, women are presented as sexual objects tied up or cut up or mutilated or bruised or physically hurt, and women are presented in scenarios of degradation, humiliation, injury, torture, shown as filthy or inferior, bleeding, bruised or hurt in a context that makes these conditions sexual.

Ah, so then only men can be objectified.

Yay equality?
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4/15/2016 8:35:58 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 4:17:09 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 11:40:39 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

So you are against a woman making a conscious choice to use her body in a fashion she sees fit, while bolstering your own conservative value? Stop repressing women! How dare you!

See also: some women find their porn career empowering, etc.

You're one of the two people to call me a conservative. I'm not basing my views on pornography on conservative values. This isn't "repressing" them, this is to stop the subordination of women. And as for that latter part, erotica would still exist, but if a woman finds things like being urinated on "empowering" then there's clearly something wrong with them.

Again, judging some one else's ability to feel empowered by calling it wrong.

How dare you.
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4/15/2016 9:58:40 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

I think thats where I would stand too.
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4/15/2016 9:59:42 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 4:23:46 AM, RyuuKyuzo wrote:
I agree a lot of porn is needlessly aggressive, and often times just cartoonish. This is why I make a point of being affectionate towards all the actresses in the porn I star in.

feel for you mate
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4/15/2016 10:07:58 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 11:40:39 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

So you are against a woman making a conscious choice to use her body in a fashion she sees fit, while bolstering your own conservative value? Stop repressing women! How dare you!

This lies in the assumption that being a prostitute is an ideal, which simply isn't true. The only reason people are (sensibly) prostitutes, is because they have no where else to turn to.

See also: some women find their porn career empowering, etc.

This is interesting, though I would think it would be much the opposite.
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4/15/2016 10:15:23 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 4:56:36 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 4/15/2016 4:19:14 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:14:25 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

Which category of porn is objectifying women? If all, is this also the case in femdom porn?

Categories where women are presented dehumanized as sexual objects, women are presented as sexual objects who enjoy humiliation or pain, women are presented as sexual objects experiencing sexual pleasure in rape, incest, or other sexual assault, women are presented as sexual objects tied up or cut up or mutilated or bruised or physically hurt, and women are presented in scenarios of degradation, humiliation, injury, torture, shown as filthy or inferior, bleeding, bruised or hurt in a context that makes these conditions sexual.

There is porn where same things happen to men, sometimes where the woman is the dominant one. Is this objectifying too? And didn't you know of the enormous amount of women and men who actually enjoy being humiliated in that way? Is the consensuality of the actors in the porn still not a reason to accept it?

If someone actually enjoys being humiliated or harmed in that kind of way then they are masochistic and that can be a paraphilic disorder (Sexual masochism disorder according to the DSM V).
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4/15/2016 10:17:30 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 8:34:11 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/15/2016 4:19:14 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:14:25 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

Which category of porn is objectifying women? If all, is this also the case in femdom porn?

Categories where women are presented dehumanized as sexual objects, women are presented as sexual objects who enjoy humiliation or pain, women are presented as sexual objects experiencing sexual pleasure in rape, incest, or other sexual assault, women are presented as sexual objects tied up or cut up or mutilated or bruised or physically hurt, and women are presented in scenarios of degradation, humiliation, injury, torture, shown as filthy or inferior, bleeding, bruised or hurt in a context that makes these conditions sexual.

Ah, so then only men can be objectified.

Yay equality?

Oh wow, a man playing the victim role and crying discrimination. When did I even imply this? No one should be "objectified". Fine, go ahead and change it to "men/women". Happy? Or are you going to continue to be a Masculist?
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4/15/2016 10:22:14 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 4:17:09 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 11:40:39 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

So you are against a woman making a conscious choice to use her body in a fashion she sees fit, while bolstering your own conservative value? Stop repressing women! How dare you!

See also: some women find their porn career empowering, etc.

You're one of the two people to call me a conservative. I'm not basing my views on pornography on conservative values. This isn't "repressing" them, this is to stop the subordination of women. And as for that latter part, erotica would still exist, but if a woman finds things like being urinated on "empowering" then there's clearly something wrong with them.

1. So they should despite how much they like it be forbidden to perform this only because you don't like it?
2. Why is a man enjoying same treatment not disordered? You're painting women as confused and not knowing what's best to them. Which is in no way different than how extremely patriarchal cultures view them.
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4/15/2016 10:25:27 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 10:22:14 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 4/15/2016 4:17:09 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 11:40:39 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

So you are against a woman making a conscious choice to use her body in a fashion she sees fit, while bolstering your own conservative value? Stop repressing women! How dare you!

See also: some women find their porn career empowering, etc.

You're one of the two people to call me a conservative. I'm not basing my views on pornography on conservative values. This isn't "repressing" them, this is to stop the subordination of women. And as for that latter part, erotica would still exist, but if a woman finds things like being urinated on "empowering" then there's clearly something wrong with them.

1. So they should despite how much they like it be forbidden to perform this only because you don't like it?
2. Why is a man enjoying same treatment not disordered? You're painting women as confused and not knowing what's best to them. Which is in no way different than how extremely patriarchal cultures view them.

Again, you assume I'm discriminating against men here. If they enjoy being urinated on, then clearly there's an issue there as well. The patriarchy is the one that would instill the values that it's okay for a woman to be objectified and then they wouldn't see anything wrong with it.
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4/15/2016 10:33:01 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 10:25:27 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 10:22:14 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 4/15/2016 4:17:09 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 11:40:39 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/15/2016 5:41:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:39:44 AM, Hayd wrote:
I found this video pretty interesting, I'm not sure I agree with it though, I'm still undecided.
https://www.youtube.com...

Over the past year or two as I became even more of a feminist, I started questioning my position on pornography. I felt that some feminists had a point in saying that it is objectification of women, and some of it can be cruel, unusual, and demeaning. However, I also realize that no official would ever be able to take away men's porn. So I think actually a compromise could be made one day to limit the types of "porn" that could be produced, without banning it entirely. In sum, pro "erotica" and against "porn".

So you are against a woman making a conscious choice to use her body in a fashion she sees fit, while bolstering your own conservative value? Stop repressing women! How dare you!

See also: some women find their porn career empowering, etc.

You're one of the two people to call me a conservative. I'm not basing my views on pornography on conservative values. This isn't "repressing" them, this is to stop the subordination of women. And as for that latter part, erotica would still exist, but if a woman finds things like being urinated on "empowering" then there's clearly something wrong with them.

1. So they should despite how much they like it be forbidden to perform this only because you don't like it?
2. Why is a man enjoying same treatment not disordered? You're painting women as confused and not knowing what's best to them. Which is in no way different than how extremely patriarchal cultures view them.

Again, you assume I'm discriminating against men here.

You specifically wrote about women first and how porn is demeaning to women.

If they enjoy being urinated on, then clearly there's an issue there as well.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5) of the American Psychiatric Association indicates that a person may have a masochistic sexual interest and that the diagnosis of Sexual Masochism Disorder would only apply to individuals also report psychosocial difficulties because of it.

Someone allegedly being disordered is solely not an argument for forbidding what they want to do. If it were, you wouldn't see people with Downs syndrome on TV.

The patriarchy is the one that would instill the values that it's okay for a woman to be objectified and then they wouldn't see anything wrong with it.

Which also happens to objectified men in porn.