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MarquisX
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11/27/2010 5:30:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Ok DDO I was faced with a problem the other day and its bothered me. The other day I'm with my wife in pizza hut. We order and sit down and we start talking and stuff. I then noticed this guy, maybe about 27 years old, with his girlfriend who was no more than 14. They were laughing and kissing and being downright annoying that all new couples seem to just plan out. then he started to feel her up. and everyone in the pizza hut noticed. and the story gets sicker. another girls walks in with what I assume to be her mom. the new girl recognizes the first from school and they start talking. the second girl is wearing a shirt that reads"Waianae Intermediate School". right then I wanted to say something. but I didn't. I didn't do a Damn thing. does this make me a bad person? its just that she seemed happy. who am I to tell her its wrong?
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11/27/2010 5:32:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
You didn't do anything wrong.
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11/27/2010 5:33:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/27/2010 5:30:18 PM, MarquisX wrote:
Ok DDO I was faced with a problem the other day and its bothered me. The other day I'm with my wife in pizza hut. We order and sit down and we start talking and stuff. I then noticed this guy, maybe about 27 years old, with his girlfriend who was no more than 14. They were laughing and kissing and being downright annoying that all new couples seem to just plan out. then he started to feel her up. and everyone in the pizza hut noticed. and the story gets sicker. another girls walks in with what I assume to be her mom. the new girl recognizes the first from school and they start talking. the second girl is wearing a shirt that reads"Waianae Intermediate School". right then I wanted to say something. but I didn't. I didn't do a Damn thing. does this make me a bad person? its just that she seemed happy. who am I to tell her its wrong?

Personally, I wouldn't want to start a problem because a guy like that is generally shady. As much as I would like to lecture someone as base as that, I would probably do something like walk past him to the bathroom and make a strange face and some weird noises. I do that with smokers- if we're walking towards each other, I take a very deep, audible breath, cover my mouth and divert my path to walk around them. I'm not sure if it makes a difference, but I do know that I have at least done something on my part.
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11/27/2010 6:09:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
You staring at me the whole time put me off both my molestation and my pizza.

Seriously, no. They were adults whatever the law says. Leave them to it.
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11/27/2010 6:47:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/27/2010 5:30:18 PM, MarquisX wrote:
Ok DDO I was faced with a problem the other day and its bothered me. The other day I'm with my wife in pizza hut. We order and sit down and we start talking and stuff. I then noticed this guy, maybe about 27 years old, with his girlfriend who was no more than 14. They were laughing and kissing and being downright annoying that all new couples seem to just plan out. then he started to feel her up. and everyone in the pizza hut noticed. and the story gets sicker. another girls walks in with what I assume to be her mom. the new girl recognizes the first from school and they start talking. the second girl is wearing a shirt that reads"Waianae Intermediate School". right then I wanted to say something. but I didn't. I didn't do a Damn thing. does this make me a bad person? its just that she seemed happy. who am I to tell her its wrong?

Speaking up would have taken courage but probably accomplished nothing at all in the situation. To have really made a difference you might have gotten on your cellphone and quietly called the cops (quietly, not out of cowardice but to avoid tipping them off that the police might be showing up). When the police had finished sorting out the situation perhaps nothing would have changed in this girl's life, or perhaps everything would have changed, who knows. But I think if there's anything effective you could and should have done it's calling the authorities, not confronting and denouncing them to demonstrate how gutsy and morally upstanding you are.
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11/27/2010 6:49:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/27/2010 6:09:14 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
You staring at me the whole time put me off both my molestation and my pizza.


Seriously, no. They were adults whatever the law says. Leave them to it.

Did you read all of his post, they were not all adults, one might have been a 14 year old girl.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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11/27/2010 6:56:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Charles appears to be an intolerant person who wants to foist his conception of morality upon others, who are minding their own business. What a conservative.
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11/27/2010 7:02:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/27/2010 6:49:47 PM, charleslb wrote:
At 11/27/2010 6:09:14 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
You staring at me the whole time put me off both my molestation and my pizza.


Seriously, no. They were adults whatever the law says. Leave them to it.

Did you read all of his post, they were not all adults, one might have been a 14 year old girl.

Exactly.
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11/27/2010 7:03:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/27/2010 6:56:40 PM, Reasoning wrote:
Charles appears to be an intolerant person who wants to foist his conception of morality upon others, who are minding their own business. What a conservative.

You can't really hold to a moral position without resorting to a little bit of foisting every now and then.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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11/27/2010 7:28:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/27/2010 5:30:18 PM, MarquisX wrote:
Ok DDO I was faced with a problem the other day and its bothered me. The other day I'm with my wife in pizza hut. We order and sit down and we start talking and stuff. I then noticed this guy, maybe about 27 years old, with his girlfriend who was no more than 14. They were laughing and kissing and being downright annoying that all new couples seem to just plan out. then he started to feel her up. and everyone in the pizza hut noticed. and the story gets sicker. another girls walks in with what I assume to be her mom. the new girl recognizes the first from school and they start talking. the second girl is wearing a shirt that reads"Waianae Intermediate School". right then I wanted to say something. but I didn't. I didn't do a Damn thing. does this make me a bad person? its just that she seemed happy. who am I to tell her its wrong?

LOL, you were SO on the show What Would You Do. They have episodes just like that.
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11/27/2010 7:29:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
ew, nvm

You're in Hawaii - the age of consent there is 14, so it's not even illegal. Wtf. weird
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11/27/2010 10:43:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Since you live in Hawaii, and that is legal, then you should not try to interfere with their relationship.
Just because your morals say that what they are doing is wrong does not give you the right to try and force your morals upon them.
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11/27/2010 11:19:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/27/2010 10:43:45 PM, Atheism wrote:
Since you live in Hawaii, and that is legal, then you should not try to interfere with their relationship.
Just because your morals say that what they are doing is wrong does not give you the right to try and force your morals upon them.

That's my point. I just wanted to know if I was right. I mean not to be vulgar but I was watching porn at 14. And that's illegal do how could I be a some white knight with my playboy in the closet? And I didn't know that about Hawaii. I just got here....
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11/28/2010 12:12:23 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/27/2010 11:19:34 PM, MarquisX wrote:
At 11/27/2010 10:43:45 PM, Atheism wrote:
Since you live in Hawaii, and that is legal, then you should not try to interfere with their relationship.
Just because your morals say that what they are doing is wrong does not give you the right to try and force your morals upon them.

That's my point. I just wanted to know if I was right.
If you mean that you were right in not doing anything, then yes.
I mean not to be vulgar but I was watching porn at 14. And that's illegal so how could I be a some white knight with my playboy in the closet?
Just because something is illegal does not make it immoral.
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11/28/2010 12:52:03 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/27/2010 5:30:18 PM, MarquisX wrote:
Ok DDO I was faced with a problem the other day and its bothered me. The other day I'm with my wife in pizza hut. We order and sit down and we start talking and stuff. I then noticed this guy, maybe about 27 years old, with his girlfriend who was no more than 14. They were laughing and kissing and being downright annoying that all new couples seem to just plan out. then he started to feel her up. and everyone in the pizza hut noticed. and the story gets sicker. another girls walks in with what I assume to be her mom. the new girl recognizes the first from school and they start talking. the second girl is wearing a shirt that reads"Waianae Intermediate School". right then I wanted to say something. but I didn't. I didn't do a Damn thing. does this make me a bad person? its just that she seemed happy. who am I to tell her its wrong?

Doesn't make you a bad person, MIGHT make you a coward, but then if the girl wasn't there under duress then for her at least it's something she wants to do.

Besides which, you don't know for sure that they were a couple, the guy could have just been your typical creepy Uncle.
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11/28/2010 5:39:21 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/28/2010 12:52:03 AM, Veridas wrote:
At 11/27/2010 5:30:18 PM, MarquisX wrote:
Ok DDO I was faced with a problem the other day and its bothered me. The other day I'm with my wife in pizza hut. We order and sit down and we start talking and stuff. I then noticed this guy, maybe about 27 years old, with his girlfriend who was no more than 14. They were laughing and kissing and being downright annoying that all new couples seem to just plan out. then he started to feel her up. and everyone in the pizza hut noticed. and the story gets sicker. another girls walks in with what I assume to be her mom. the new girl recognizes the first from school and they start talking. the second girl is wearing a shirt that reads"Waianae Intermediate School". right then I wanted to say something. but I didn't. I didn't do a Damn thing. does this make me a bad person? its just that she seemed happy. who am I to tell her its wrong?

Doesn't make you a bad person, MIGHT make you a coward, but then if the girl wasn't there under duress then for her at least it's something she wants to do.

Besides which, you don't know for sure that they were a couple, the guy could have just been your typical creepy Uncle.
Whoa I wasn't afraid of the guy. Just didn't want to break up their happiness
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11/28/2010 5:00:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Congratulations on not informing to the gestapo.
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11/28/2010 6:27:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
How young would the girl have to be for you to intervene?
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11/29/2010 6:12:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/28/2010 5:39:21 AM, MarquisX wrote:
At 11/28/2010 12:52:03 AM, Veridas wrote:
At 11/27/2010 5:30:18 PM, MarquisX wrote:
Ok DDO I was faced with a problem the other day and its bothered me. The other day I'm with my wife in pizza hut. We order and sit down and we start talking and stuff. I then noticed this guy, maybe about 27 years old, with his girlfriend who was no more than 14. They were laughing and kissing and being downright annoying that all new couples seem to just plan out. then he started to feel her up. and everyone in the pizza hut noticed. and the story gets sicker. another girls walks in with what I assume to be her mom. the new girl recognizes the first from school and they start talking. the second girl is wearing a shirt that reads"Waianae Intermediate School". right then I wanted to say something. but I didn't. I didn't do a Damn thing. does this make me a bad person? its just that she seemed happy. who am I to tell her its wrong?

Doesn't make you a bad person, MIGHT make you a coward, but then if the girl wasn't there under duress then for her at least it's something she wants to do.

Besides which, you don't know for sure that they were a couple, the guy could have just been your typical creepy Uncle.
Whoa I wasn't afraid of the guy. Just didn't want to break up their happiness

You still didn't do anything though, did you.

Cowardice is not the admittance of fear, cowardice is the admittance to doing nothing.
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11/29/2010 8:16:23 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/27/2010 5:30:18 PM, MarquisX wrote:
Ok DDO I was faced with a problem the other day and its bothered me. The other day I'm with my wife in pizza hut. We order and sit down and we start talking and stuff. I then noticed this guy, maybe about 27 years old, with his girlfriend who was no more than 14. They were laughing and kissing and being downright annoying that all new couples seem to just plan out. then he started to feel her up. and everyone in the pizza hut noticed. and the story gets sicker. another girls walks in with what I assume to be her mom. the new girl recognizes the first from school and they start talking. the second girl is wearing a shirt that reads"Waianae Intermediate School". right then I wanted to say something. but I didn't. I didn't do a Damn thing. does this make me a bad person? its just that she seemed happy. who am I to tell her its wrong?

You didn't do anything wrong....her parents however should keep a better watch on a 14 year old girl being with someone who could be her father. This is totally the fault of the parents and the man. He is grown and should know better than to feel up a child, because that is what she is, even if she was enjoying herself he was in the wrong.
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11/29/2010 9:19:12 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 6:12:49 AM, Veridas wrote:
At 11/28/2010 5:39:21 AM, MarquisX wrote:
At 11/28/2010 12:52:03 AM, Veridas wrote:
At 11/27/2010 5:30:18 PM, MarquisX wrote:
Ok DDO I was faced with a problem the other day and its bothered me. The other day I'm with my wife in pizza hut. We order and sit down and we start talking and stuff. I then noticed this guy, maybe about 27 years old, with his girlfriend who was no more than 14. They were laughing and kissing and being downright annoying that all new couples seem to just plan out. then he started to feel her up. and everyone in the pizza hut noticed. and the story gets sicker. another girls walks in with what I assume to be her mom. the new girl recognizes the first from school and they start talking. the second girl is wearing a shirt that reads"Waianae Intermediate School". right then I wanted to say something. but I didn't. I didn't do a Damn thing. does this make me a bad person? its just that she seemed happy. who am I to tell her its wrong?

Doesn't make you a bad person, MIGHT make you a coward, but then if the girl wasn't there under duress then for her at least it's something she wants to do.

Besides which, you don't know for sure that they were a couple, the guy could have just been your typical creepy Uncle.
Whoa I wasn't afraid of the guy. Just didn't want to break up their happiness

You still didn't do anything though, did you.

Cowardice is not the admittance of fear, cowardice is the admittance to doing nothing.

Under that logic, you're a coward if you don't jump in front of a car and stop it from hitting a dog.

He's wasn't saying he was afraid to act; he was saying that the couple looked happy and he didn't feel what they were doing was morally wrong.

Failure to act AGAINST your own beliefs cannot possibly be called cowardice. Acting against your own beliefs is called irrationality.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into - Jonathan Swift (paraphrase)
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11/30/2010 6:41:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 9:19:12 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 11/29/2010 6:12:49 AM, Veridas wrote:

You still didn't do anything though, did you.

Cowardice is not the admittance of fear, cowardice is the admittance to doing nothing.

Under that logic, you're a coward if you don't jump in front of a car and stop it from hitting a dog.

He's wasn't saying he was afraid to act; he was saying that the couple looked happy and he didn't feel what they were doing was morally wrong.

Failure to act AGAINST your own beliefs cannot possibly be called cowardice. Acting against your own beliefs is called irrationality.

Sigh.

Alright, I'll play your little game.

1: The dog example is flawed, for the dog that is a life or death scenario, Marquis' example was that of a moral dilemma in which he admits he wanted to do something but didn't. That is cowardice, not saving a dog may or may not be cowardice depending on the situation.

2: Happiness is arbitrary, and if happiness is excuse enough to commit immoral activities then why are we jailing rapists?

3: The action he failed to take wasn't against his beliefs, Marquis clearly considers the entire event, in his own words "sick" and he doesn't believe the situation was consistent with his own personal morals, and he still failed to act. Even if his objection was against his moral beliefs, there was a potential paedophile sat in a restaurant GROPING an underage girl, what the f*ck kind of morality do you have where you can possibly think of a scenario where objecting to that is morally wrong?

Do better. Think harder. Next time you decide to argue morals with me you better make absolutely f*cking sure you have god himself on your side.
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11/30/2010 10:07:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/30/2010 6:41:24 AM, Veridas wrote:
At 11/29/2010 9:19:12 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 11/29/2010 6:12:49 AM, Veridas wrote:

You still didn't do anything though, did you.

Cowardice is not the admittance of fear, cowardice is the admittance to doing nothing.

Under that logic, you're a coward if you don't jump in front of a car and stop it from hitting a dog.

He's wasn't saying he was afraid to act; he was saying that the couple looked happy and he didn't feel what they were doing was morally wrong.

Failure to act AGAINST your own beliefs cannot possibly be called cowardice. Acting against your own beliefs is called irrationality.

Sigh.

Alright, I'll play your little game.

1: The dog example is flawed, for the dog that is a life or death scenario, Marquis' example was that of a moral dilemma in which he admits he wanted to do something but didn't. That is cowardice, not saving a dog may or may not be cowardice depending on the situation.

2: Happiness is arbitrary, and if happiness is excuse enough to commit immoral activities then why are we jailing rapists?

3: The action he failed to take wasn't against his beliefs, Marquis clearly considers the entire event, in his own words "sick" and he doesn't believe the situation was consistent with his own personal morals, and he still failed to act. Even if his objection was against his moral beliefs, there was a potential paedophile sat in a restaurant GROPING an underage girl, what the f*ck kind of morality do you have where you can possibly think of a scenario where objecting to that is morally wrong?

Do better. Think harder. Next time you decide to argue morals with me you better make absolutely f*cking sure you have god himself on your side.
I want to play. ok first you misunderstood everything. the reason I did not act was not because I was afraid, it was because I believe in happiness. At 14, you know what makes you happy and what doesnt. if she looked victimized, I would have intervened. I stayed true to my beliefs. I was conflicted because I thought what he was doing was illegal. also #2 example is so flawed it hurts. We jail rapists because they hurt people. The man in the pizza hut wasn't hurting anyone. Are you suggesting rape victims are happy? Who taught you how to woo girls? This guys idea of romance is if he wakes the girl up before he starts having sex with her...
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11/30/2010 10:48:55 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/30/2010 6:41:24 AM, Veridas wrote:
there was a potential paedophile sat in a restaurant GROPING an underage girl, what the f*ck kind of morality do you have where you can possibly think of a scenario where objecting to that is morally wrong?


Hello.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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11/30/2010 8:08:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/30/2010 10:48:55 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 11/30/2010 6:41:24 AM, Veridas wrote:
there was a potential paedophile sat in a restaurant GROPING an underage girl, what the f*ck kind of morality do you have where you can possibly think of a scenario where objecting to that is morally wrong?


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11/30/2010 9:36:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/30/2010 6:41:24 AM, Veridas wrote:
At 11/29/2010 9:19:12 AM, bluesteel wrote:
At 11/29/2010 6:12:49 AM, Veridas wrote:

You still didn't do anything though, did you.

Cowardice is not the admittance of fear, cowardice is the admittance to doing nothing.

Under that logic, you're a coward if you don't jump in front of a car and stop it from hitting a dog.

He's wasn't saying he was afraid to act; he was saying that the couple looked happy and he didn't feel what they were doing was morally wrong.

Failure to act AGAINST your own beliefs cannot possibly be called cowardice. Acting against your own beliefs is called irrationality.

Sigh.

Alright, I'll play your little game.

1: The dog example is flawed, for the dog that is a life or death scenario, Marquis' example was that of a moral dilemma in which he admits he wanted to do something but didn't. That is cowardice, not saving a dog may or may not be cowardice depending on the situation.

2: Happiness is arbitrary, and if happiness is excuse enough to commit immoral activities then why are we jailing rapists?

3: The action he failed to take wasn't against his beliefs, Marquis clearly considers the entire event, in his own words "sick" and he doesn't believe the situation was consistent with his own personal morals, and he still failed to act. Even if his objection was against his moral beliefs, there was a potential paedophile sat in a restaurant GROPING an underage girl, what the f*ck kind of morality do you have where you can possibly think of a scenario where objecting to that is morally wrong?

Do better. Think harder. Next time you decide to argue morals with me you better make absolutely f*cking sure you have god himself on your side.

lol, I doubt you want to actually debate me. Scoreboard

Have you heard of a "speaking for others kritik"? You've misrepresented MarquisX's position. He said he also saw the merit in letting her be happy, since she has the right to make her own decisions.

He's also now answered for himself - he clearly doesn't agree with your characterization of his argument.

It's legal for someone 18+ in Hawaii to have sex with someone who is 14+. This is not statutory rape. I will definitely debate you on the morality of equating statutory rape with non-consensual rape (which you do here). I'd also consider debating you on which age of consent is moral vs. immoral.

I'll also debate you on your original thesis, which is that it is cowardly not to act when you are morally conflicted.
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12/1/2010 3:30:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
MarquisX said:
I want to play. ok first you misunderstood everything, the reason I did not act was not because I was afraid,

Request denied, it's clear from this first sentence that you didn't read my last post.

Marquis X said:
it was because I believe in happiness

Pass the bong, dude.

MarquisX said:
At 14, you know what makes you happy and what doesnt

AhahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAhehehehehehHEHEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

MarquisX said:
if she looked victimized, I would have intervened

Oh yeah, I bet all paedophiles want anything except to have their victims look victimised, I bet absolutely none of them attempt to get their victims to look comfortable or happy when in a public place, that'd just be...what was your word?...oh yeah, sick!

MarquisX said:
I stayed true to my beliefs

Apparantely not since you believed, once again, that the entire scenario was sick.

MarquisX said:
I was conflicted because I thought what he was doing was illegal.

So, wait, your beliefs contradict law? Oh wow.

MarquisX said:
also #2 example is so flawed it hurts. We jail rapists because they hurt people

Yes, thank you Captain Obvious, my point was the rapists commit that crime because it makes them happy, the point stands.

MarquisX said:
The man in the pizza hut wasn't hurting anyone

At that precise moment, or maybe he was, you clearly don't know. Besides which you are again the one that called the entire episode sick, and you're the one that clearly felt it was so bad that you started a thread on an internet forum to get some moral backing for your choice to sit on your @ss and do nothing when faced with a potential paedophile.

MarquisX said:
Are you suggesting rape victims are happy?

I take it back, you aren't Captain Obvious, you're Captain Oblivious.

MarquisX said:
Who taught you how to woo girls?

Who said I was straight?

MarquisX said:
This guys idea of romance is if he wakes the girl up before he starts having sex with her...

guy's, as in in posession of the aforementioned "guy." If you're going to try to insult me, use good punctuation.

Cerebral_Narcissist said:
Hello.

Yeah but you're freaking weird, and I thought we sprayed this forum for weirdos.
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12/1/2010 3:48:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
bluesteel said:
lol, I doubt you want to actually debate me. Scoreboard

Implying that playing a game equates to debating.

bluesteel said:
You've misrepresented MarquisX's position. He said he also saw the merit in letting her be happy, since she has the right to make her own decisions.

I misrepresented nothing, I attacked his moral position and I highlighted the particular part of it that best supports my argument, that's called taking a leaf out of someone's book and bitchslapping them with it.

bluesteel said:
He's also now answered for himself - he clearly doesn't agree with your characterization of his argument

Well of course not, he came here for support, not criticism, why on earth should he stand for being *gasp* criticised?

bluesteel said:
It's legal for someone 18+ in Hawaii to have sex with someone who is 14+. This is not statutory rape

Are you really going to play that card?

Really?

http://www.dumblaws.com...

bluesteel said:
I will definitely debate you on the morality of equating statutory rape with non-consensual rape

Wait a minute, non-consensual rape? As opposed to...say...consensual rape?

Regardless, now you're the one misrepresenting. Not once have I said that the guy was definitely going to rape the girl, what we have to go on is Marquis' testimony, my issue is the fact that he believed it to be wrong and did nothing, and you're p!ssing about trying to justify a moral position by not actually looking at it but instead choosing simply to criticise me.

Nice.

bluesteel said:
I'd also consider debating you on which age of consent is moral vs. immoral.

Please tell me you aren't a P.E teacher.

bluesteel said:
I'll also debate you on your original thesis, which is that it is cowardly not to act when you are morally conflicted.

Again with the misrepresentation. That wasn't my thesis. My statement, not thesis, on cowardice is as follows. To not act when action is required, whether fear is present or not. Contrarywise, I believe that bravery is to be afraid but to act anyway.
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12/1/2010 8:00:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/1/2010 7:01:25 AM, OreEle wrote:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov...

Just so everyone knows what the law is, my goodness.

Not perfect but not too bad.

Still leads to manifestly absurd situations however.
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