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4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

http://www.debate.org...

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4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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4/20/2016 5:07:18 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

What makes you say this? What indicates that medical innovation is heading towards this?

Also, would you agree that at the moment, abortion is permissible because we are not yet at the stage wherein abortion is not needed to save a mother's life?
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

http://www.debate.org...

The opponent didn't respond:

http://www.debate.org...

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4/20/2016 5:25:52 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/20/2016 5:07:18 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

What makes you say this? What indicates that medical innovation is heading towards this?

Improvements in modern medicine indicate this.


Also, would you agree that at the moment, abortion is permissible because we are not yet at the stage wherein abortion is not needed to save a mother's life?

Yes, of course.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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4/20/2016 5:34:33 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/20/2016 5:25:52 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:07:18 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

What makes you say this? What indicates that medical innovation is heading towards this?

Improvements in modern medicine indicate this.

May I request that you explicitly state these improvements? Are these new concoctions? New equipment?



Also, would you agree that at the moment, abortion is permissible because we are not yet at the stage wherein abortion is not needed to save a mother's life?

Yes, of course.

Mmm okay. So you know of instances or studies wherein abortions take place to save a mother's life?
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

http://www.debate.org...

The opponent didn't respond:

http://www.debate.org...

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http://www.debate.org...
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4/20/2016 5:43:39 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/20/2016 5:34:33 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:25:52 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:07:18 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

What makes you say this? What indicates that medical innovation is heading towards this?

Improvements in modern medicine indicate this.

May I request that you explicitly state these improvements? Are these new concoctions? New equipment?

Do you really expect me to state specific improvements in medicine when it's so apparent already? New vaccines, antibiotics, advanced medical services and procedures, etc.



Also, would you agree that at the moment, abortion is permissible because we are not yet at the stage wherein abortion is not needed to save a mother's life?

Yes, of course.

Mmm okay. So you know of instances or studies wherein abortions take place to save a mother's life?

I'm pro abortion in all cases, I hope you know that.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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4/20/2016 5:55:42 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/20/2016 5:43:39 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:34:33 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:25:52 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:07:18 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

What makes you say this? What indicates that medical innovation is heading towards this?

Improvements in modern medicine indicate this.

May I request that you explicitly state these improvements? Are these new concoctions? New equipment?

Do you really expect me to state specific improvements in medicine when it's so apparent already?

I don't agree that it is apparent. I can agree that it is apparent that technology is advancing, but to say that in this specific field *and* with regards to this specific topic (abortion), I don't think that it is apparent. You don't have to if you can't do it -- I'm only asking nicely.

New vaccines, antibiotics, advanced medical services and procedures, etc.

What specifically?




Also, would you agree that at the moment, abortion is permissible because we are not yet at the stage wherein abortion is not needed to save a mother's life?

Yes, of course.

Mmm okay. So you know of instances or studies wherein abortions take place to save a mother's life?

I'm pro abortion in all cases, I hope you know that.

This doesn't answer my question...
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

http://www.debate.org...

The opponent didn't respond:

http://www.debate.org...

No response:

http://www.debate.org...
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4/20/2016 12:19:37 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
I am not overly impressed with the response so far, and I will explain why.

Firstly, arguing that abortion will near obsolescence due to "medical advancements", and then justifying this assertion by saying that medical advancements are "apparent", does not show how medical advancements are pushing abortion closer to obsolescence. In other words, I did not ask if medical advancement is happening, rather I specifically asked what advancements were causing this (answered without evidence) *and* I asked *how* they were doing it (not answered at all). This is akin to telling me humans need water to drink, *but not* telling me why this is the case.

Secondly, answering the question: So you know of instances or studies wherein abortions take place to save a mother's life? -, with, "I'm pro abortion in all cases, I hope you know that", does not answer the question. This non-response pertains to a visceral reaction, wherein only the side of politics is of concern, rather than the logical/evidential framework required to reach that side of politics -- highly primitive. Of course, this is a mere guess, but the point is that the question was not answered.

I am not sure if people are more lackadaisical on the forums, but this response is rather disappointing...
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

http://www.debate.org...

The opponent didn't respond:

http://www.debate.org...

No response:

http://www.debate.org...
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4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.
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4/21/2016 8:11:47 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

Here is an example of a woman who's life was saved by having an abortion.

http://www.salon.com...

Here is some more information about why abortion is sometimes neccessary due to significant risks to the mothers health.

http://www.usatoday.com...

It's fair to say abortions due to health risks (including life threatening ones) to the mother are rare but they do happen.
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4/21/2016 10:28:24 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 12:07:58 PM, SummerHaze wrote:
I think it's mother should decide whether or not she wants that baby

Why?
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

http://www.debate.org...

The opponent didn't respond:

http://www.debate.org...

No response:

http://www.debate.org...
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4/21/2016 10:30:29 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 8:11:47 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

Here is an example of a woman who's life was saved by having an abortion.

http://www.salon.com...

Here is some more information about why abortion is sometimes neccessary due to significant risks to the mothers health.

http://www.usatoday.com...

It's fair to say abortions due to health risks (including life threatening ones) to the mother are rare but they do happen.

Yeah, they sure are rare -- I couldn't fine any! Thank you, Chloe.
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

http://www.debate.org...

The opponent didn't respond:

http://www.debate.org...

No response:

http://www.debate.org...
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4/22/2016 12:01:32 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Yes, especially when those who are less likely to raise their kids well and instill moral values get the abortions.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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4/22/2016 2:18:09 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Do you have sources for this?
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

http://www.debate.org...

The opponent didn't respond:

http://www.debate.org...

No response:

http://www.debate.org...
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4/22/2016 4:12:21 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 2:18:09 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Do you have sources for this?

He's going to quote freakonomics... I think it is pretty much garbage, but it works in simple debates.
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4/22/2016 4:24:01 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 2:18:09 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Do you have sources for this?

Yes I do.
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4/22/2016 4:24:50 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 4:24:01 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/22/2016 2:18:09 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Do you have sources for this?

Yes I do.

May I please see them?
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

http://www.debate.org...

The opponent didn't respond:

http://www.debate.org...

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4/22/2016 4:28:44 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 4:24:50 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:24:01 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/22/2016 2:18:09 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Do you have sources for this?

Yes I do.

May I please see them?

Donohue and Levitt study
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4/22/2016 4:30:28 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 4:28:44 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:24:50 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:24:01 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/22/2016 2:18:09 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Do you have sources for this?

Yes I do.

May I please see them?

Donohue and Levitt study

I've seen that one -- it's quite good.

Thank you, nonetheless.
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

http://www.debate.org...

The opponent didn't respond:

http://www.debate.org...

No response:

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4/22/2016 4:30:55 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 4:12:21 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 2:18:09 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Do you have sources for this?

He's going to quote freakonomics... I think it is pretty much garbage, but it works in simple debates.

What's wrong with freakonomics?
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

http://www.debate.org...

The opponent didn't respond:

http://www.debate.org...

No response:

http://www.debate.org...
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4/22/2016 5:02:33 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 4:30:55 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:12:21 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 2:18:09 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Do you have sources for this?

He's going to quote freakonomics... I think it is pretty much garbage, but it works in simple debates.

What's wrong with freakonomics?

There have been many critiques of it, some like the broken window effect, etc. But I would point to Chile. They made Abortion illegal in 1989. According to Freakonomics we should be into a steady rise in crime. The stats don't agree.

Additionally, he says it is good for economics. Only in the short term... there is a reason why Japan is in a continual economic downward spiral. A person's maximum spending power is in their 50s. Japan's baby boom happen in the 1930s, not post war. Their economy peaked in the 80s. Our economy is struggling now that we are entering a demographic winter due to a lack of self-replacement. Any economic gain is a relatively short lived effect.

https://www.youtube.com...
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4/22/2016 5:21:20 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 5:02:33 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:30:55 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:12:21 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 2:18:09 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Do you have sources for this?

He's going to quote freakonomics... I think it is pretty much garbage, but it works in simple debates.

What's wrong with freakonomics?

There have been many critiques of it, some like the broken window effect, etc.

Fair enough.

But I would point to Chile. They made Abortion illegal in 1989. According to Freakonomics we should be into a steady rise in crime. The stats don't agree.

I'll have to take your word for it...


Additionally, he says it is good for economics. Only in the short term... there is a reason why Japan is in a continual economic downward spiral. A person's maximum spending power is in their 50s. Japan's baby boom happen in the 1930s, not post war. Their economy peaked in the 80s. Our economy is struggling now that we are entering a demographic winter due to a lack of self-replacement. Any economic gain is a relatively short lived effect.

I hardly think a Youtube video is likely to be a good source for this...


https://www.youtube.com...
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

http://www.debate.org...

The opponent didn't respond:

http://www.debate.org...

No response:

http://www.debate.org...
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4/22/2016 5:22:35 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 5:21:20 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:02:33 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:30:55 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:12:21 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 2:18:09 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Do you have sources for this?

He's going to quote freakonomics... I think it is pretty much garbage, but it works in simple debates.

What's wrong with freakonomics?

There have been many critiques of it, some like the broken window effect, etc.

Fair enough.

But I would point to Chile. They made Abortion illegal in 1989. According to Freakonomics we should be into a steady rise in crime. The stats don't agree.

I'll have to take your word for it...


Additionally, he says it is good for economics. Only in the short term... there is a reason why Japan is in a continual economic downward spiral. A person's maximum spending power is in their 50s. Japan's baby boom happen in the 1930s, not post war. Their economy peaked in the 80s. Our economy is struggling now that we are entering a demographic winter due to a lack of self-replacement. Any economic gain is a relatively short lived effect.

I hardly think a Youtube video is likely to be a good source for this...

And a forum wherein one is making quick points is hardly the place for an in-depth analysis of the situation.

https://www.youtube.com...
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4/22/2016 5:23:48 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 5:22:35 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:21:20 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:02:33 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:30:55 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:12:21 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 2:18:09 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Do you have sources for this?

He's going to quote freakonomics... I think it is pretty much garbage, but it works in simple debates.

What's wrong with freakonomics?

There have been many critiques of it, some like the broken window effect, etc.

Fair enough.

But I would point to Chile. They made Abortion illegal in 1989. According to Freakonomics we should be into a steady rise in crime. The stats don't agree.

I'll have to take your word for it...


Additionally, he says it is good for economics. Only in the short term... there is a reason why Japan is in a continual economic downward spiral. A person's maximum spending power is in their 50s. Japan's baby boom happen in the 1930s, not post war. Their economy peaked in the 80s. Our economy is struggling now that we are entering a demographic winter due to a lack of self-replacement. Any economic gain is a relatively short lived effect.

I hardly think a Youtube video is likely to be a good source for this...

And a forum wherein one is making quick points is hardly the place for an in-depth analysis of the situation.

Forums are what you make of them.


https://www.youtube.com...
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

http://www.debate.org...

The opponent didn't respond:

http://www.debate.org...

No response:

http://www.debate.org...
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4/22/2016 5:32:15 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 5:23:48 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:22:35 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:21:20 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:02:33 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:30:55 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:12:21 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 2:18:09 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Do you have sources for this?

He's going to quote freakonomics... I think it is pretty much garbage, but it works in simple debates.

What's wrong with freakonomics?

There have been many critiques of it, some like the broken window effect, etc.

Fair enough.

But I would point to Chile. They made Abortion illegal in 1989. According to Freakonomics we should be into a steady rise in crime. The stats don't agree.

I'll have to take your word for it...


Additionally, he says it is good for economics. Only in the short term... there is a reason why Japan is in a continual economic downward spiral. A person's maximum spending power is in their 50s. Japan's baby boom happen in the 1930s, not post war. Their economy peaked in the 80s. Our economy is struggling now that we are entering a demographic winter due to a lack of self-replacement. Any economic gain is a relatively short lived effect.

I hardly think a Youtube video is likely to be a good source for this...

And a forum wherein one is making quick points is hardly the place for an in-depth analysis of the situation.

Forums are what you make of them.


https://www.youtube.com...

Are you American. ?
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4/22/2016 5:34:53 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 5:32:15 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:23:48 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:22:35 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:21:20 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:02:33 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:30:55 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:12:21 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 2:18:09 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Do you have sources for this?

He's going to quote freakonomics... I think it is pretty much garbage, but it works in simple debates.

What's wrong with freakonomics?

There have been many critiques of it, some like the broken window effect, etc.

Fair enough.

But I would point to Chile. They made Abortion illegal in 1989. According to Freakonomics we should be into a steady rise in crime. The stats don't agree.

I'll have to take your word for it...


Additionally, he says it is good for economics. Only in the short term... there is a reason why Japan is in a continual economic downward spiral. A person's maximum spending power is in their 50s. Japan's baby boom happen in the 1930s, not post war. Their economy peaked in the 80s. Our economy is struggling now that we are entering a demographic winter due to a lack of self-replacement. Any economic gain is a relatively short lived effect.

I hardly think a Youtube video is likely to be a good source for this...

And a forum wherein one is making quick points is hardly the place for an in-depth analysis of the situation.

Forums are what you make of them.


https://www.youtube.com...

Are you American. ?

Why?
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

http://www.debate.org...

The opponent didn't respond:

http://www.debate.org...

No response:

http://www.debate.org...
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4/22/2016 5:47:35 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 5:34:53 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:32:15 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:23:48 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:22:35 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:21:20 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:02:33 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:30:55 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/22/2016 4:12:21 AM, Geogeer wrote:
At 4/22/2016 2:18:09 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
At 4/21/2016 7:41:54 PM, lannan13 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:02:35 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 4/20/2016 2:56:26 AM, EvanescentEfflorescence wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I've heard from a lot of people irl that abortion should be permitted to save the mother's life. However, I'm struggling to find instances/studies that show this to be the case. On the contrary, I've found dozens of sources (admittedly, many of them could be unfairly biased) wherein they explicitly say that there are no instances where an abortion is necessary to save a mother's life (the search I performed is here: https://www.google.com.au...).

What do you think?

I think that with the amount of medical innovation we have, it's much less likely as time goes on that abortion will be required to save a mother's life, or even if the mother will fall under such circumstances.

True, but abortion reduces crime and is economically beneficial.

Do you have sources for this?

He's going to quote freakonomics... I think it is pretty much garbage, but it works in simple debates.

What's wrong with freakonomics?

There have been many critiques of it, some like the broken window effect, etc.

Fair enough.

But I would point to Chile. They made Abortion illegal in 1989. According to Freakonomics we should be into a steady rise in crime. The stats don't agree.

I'll have to take your word for it...


Additionally, he says it is good for economics. Only in the short term... there is a reason why Japan is in a continual economic downward spiral. A person's maximum spending power is in their 50s. Japan's baby boom happen in the 1930s, not post war. Their economy peaked in the 80s. Our economy is struggling now that we are entering a demographic winter due to a lack of self-replacement. Any economic gain is a relatively short lived effect.

I hardly think a Youtube video is likely to be a good source for this...

And a forum wherein one is making quick points is hardly the place for an in-depth analysis of the situation.

Forums are what you make of them.


https://www.youtube.com...

Are you American. ?

Why?

You have to be
Only a American would care so much about this . Why do you thinks this is ?
It's truly amazing. Anyway I'm just taking note of only Americans making a fuss over abortion.
So when I'm asked do you have a source for this, I can use it.