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4/22/2016 5:24:01 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Both Huxley and Orwell envisioned a bleak future with two opposite sides of the coin. Aldous Huxley wrote Brave New World, where perpetual flood of irrelevant and trivial information distracts people from taking interest in anything of importance. In this future, governments encourage mass distribution of entertainment, as it pacifies the people and diverts attention away from political issues. Our transfixtion with entertainment would drown our desire for real knowledge, and society would allow itself to be consumed solely with that which is amusing, disregarding anything of importance. The government will control the people through inflicting pleasure.

George Orwell wrote 1984, where he warned of a future in which the people are controlled by an oppressive government that restricted and regulated the spread of information. In Orwell's world, communication would be limited between people to prevent conspiring against the government. The destruction and ban of information and media would limit knowledge, and truth would be concealed through repressive control. The government will control the people through inflicting pain.

So, which do you think is a more accurate depiction of the future? Which is more plausible at the rate society is going? Or are both far-fetched and false? Which do you find to be more interesting? Can you see any signs of either in today's society? Which are their strong points and/or weak points? Discuss.
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4/22/2016 7:35:03 AM
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At 4/22/2016 5:24:01 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Both Huxley and Orwell envisioned a bleak future with two opposite sides of the coin. Aldous Huxley wrote Brave New World, where perpetual flood of irrelevant and trivial information distracts people from taking interest in anything of importance. In this future, governments encourage mass distribution of entertainment, as it pacifies the people and diverts attention away from political issues. Our transfixtion with entertainment would drown our desire for real knowledge, and society would allow itself to be consumed solely with that which is amusing, disregarding anything of importance. The government will control the people through inflicting pleasure.

George Orwell wrote 1984, where he warned of a future in which the people are controlled by an oppressive government that restricted and regulated the spread of information. In Orwell's world, communication would be limited between people to prevent conspiring against the government. The destruction and ban of information and media would limit knowledge, and truth would be concealed through repressive control. The government will control the people through inflicting pain.

So, which do you think is a more accurate depiction of the future? Which is more plausible at the rate society is going? Or are both far-fetched and false? Which do you find to be more interesting? Can you see any signs of either in today's society? Which are their strong points and/or weak points? Discuss.

Brave New World mostly, but the two blend to some degree. It's the end result of unrestrained hedonism; the complete elimination of shame as a social lash, which Huxley skewered in BNW, has now almost become reality. Harlan Ellison, in the introduction to his 'Glass Teat' compilations, made the argument that television was beginning to fulfill that role, and that the internet is finishing the job.
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4/22/2016 12:21:39 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 5:24:01 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Both Huxley and Orwell envisioned a bleak future with two opposite sides of the coin. Aldous Huxley wrote Brave New World, where perpetual flood of irrelevant and trivial information distracts people from taking interest in anything of importance.

I think this is very much the case. Facebook, Smartphones, Xbox and all kinds of electronics have engulfed at least generation z, and certainly engulfs a lot of the other generations (and of course, there will be exceptions among those groups).

In this future, governments encourage mass distribution of entertainment, as it pacifies the people and diverts attention away from political issues.

I'm not sure that people ever care that much about politics. I think that the average person only cares about politics such as what is in it for him/her. I can't substantiated this opinion with sources, though, so please keep that in mind.

Our transfixtion with entertainment would drown our desire for real knowledge, and society would allow itself to be consumed solely with that which is amusing, disregarding anything of importance.

Instant gratification is a virus amongst us -- I 100% agree with your sentence here.

The government will control the people through inflicting pleasure.

Maybe...


George Orwell wrote 1984, where he warned of a future in which the people are controlled by an oppressive government that restricted and regulated the spread of information. In Orwell's world, communication would be limited between people to prevent conspiring against the government.

We're not there yet, but perhaps we're getting there.

The destruction and ban of information and media would limit knowledge, and truth would be concealed through repressive control. The government will control the people through inflicting pain.

I don't think this is true.


So, which do you think is a more accurate depiction of the future? Which is more plausible at the rate society is going? Or are both far-fetched and false? Which do you find to be more interesting? Can you see any signs of either in today's society? Which are their strong points and/or weak points? Discuss.

Huxley's is far more representative of America's overall society today. Orwell's may well come to fruition in America, and may well be prevalent in other countries. Huxley's is more interesting because the idea of being controlled through a positive emotion (i.e. pleasure) seems contradictory. I am not sure what is meant by "strong and/or weak" points. Do you mean which are accurate? I think all of it could be accurate, given different societies and values.

Also, in thinking about this, I realised how much I rely on my intuition, lol.
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4/22/2016 2:26:59 PM
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At 4/22/2016 5:24:01 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Both Huxley and Orwell envisioned a bleak future with two opposite sides of the coin. Aldous Huxley wrote Brave New World, where perpetual flood of irrelevant and trivial information distracts people from taking interest in anything of importance. In this future, governments encourage mass distribution of entertainment, as it pacifies the people and diverts attention away from political issues. Our transfixtion with entertainment would drown our desire for real knowledge, and society would allow itself to be consumed solely with that which is amusing, disregarding anything of importance. The government will control the people through inflicting pleasure.

George Orwell wrote 1984, where he warned of a future in which the people are controlled by an oppressive government that restricted and regulated the spread of information. In Orwell's world, communication would be limited between people to prevent conspiring against the government. The destruction and ban of information and media would limit knowledge, and truth would be concealed through repressive control. The government will control the people through inflicting pain.

So, which do you think is a more accurate depiction of the future? Which is more plausible at the rate society is going? Or are both far-fetched and false? Which do you find to be more interesting? Can you see any signs of either in today's society? Which are their strong points and/or weak points? Discuss.

Nice post Agent Smith.
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4/22/2016 2:54:50 PM
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I don't know which is more likely, but the first sounds more effective.
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4/22/2016 4:15:58 PM
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At 4/22/2016 2:26:59 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 4/22/2016 5:24:01 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
Both Huxley and Orwell envisioned a bleak future with two opposite sides of the coin. Aldous Huxley wrote Brave New World, where perpetual flood of irrelevant and trivial information distracts people from taking interest in anything of importance. In this future, governments encourage mass distribution of entertainment, as it pacifies the people and diverts attention away from political issues. Our transfixtion with entertainment would drown our desire for real knowledge, and society would allow itself to be consumed solely with that which is amusing, disregarding anything of importance. The government will control the people through inflicting pleasure.

George Orwell wrote 1984, where he warned of a future in which the people are controlled by an oppressive government that restricted and regulated the spread of information. In Orwell's world, communication would be limited between people to prevent conspiring against the government. The destruction and ban of information and media would limit knowledge, and truth would be concealed through repressive control. The government will control the people through inflicting pain.

So, which do you think is a more accurate depiction of the future? Which is more plausible at the rate society is going? Or are both far-fetched and false? Which do you find to be more interesting? Can you see any signs of either in today's society? Which are their strong points and/or weak points? Discuss.

Nice post Agent Smith.

Shh, I don't want Emmarie getting any ideas from that.
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