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clucas
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11/29/2010 4:25:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
People always say its only a bad thing, and its only going to lead to more conflict. But is it always neccesairly harmful or can it sometimes be justified?
Thoughts?
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11/29/2010 4:27:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 4:25:39 PM, clucas wrote:
People always say its only a bad thing, and its only going to lead to more conflict. But is it always neccesairly harmful or can it sometimes be justified?
Thoughts?

The difference between revenge and justice.
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11/29/2010 4:29:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 4:27:37 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 11/29/2010 4:25:39 PM, clucas wrote:
People always say its only a bad thing, and its only going to lead to more conflict. But is it always neccesairly harmful or can it sometimes be justified?
Thoughts?

The difference between revenge and justice.

There is a difference, or can revenge be considered justice?
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11/29/2010 4:32:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 4:29:34 PM, clucas wrote:
At 11/29/2010 4:27:37 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 11/29/2010 4:25:39 PM, clucas wrote:
People always say its only a bad thing, and its only going to lead to more conflict. But is it always neccesairly harmful or can it sometimes be justified?
Thoughts?

The difference between revenge and justice.

There is a difference, or can revenge be considered justice?

That depends on who is looking at it.

Justice must be done based purely on fact and not on emotion. Revenge is the emotional cousin, and as such can often be wrong or overdone.
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clucas
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11/29/2010 4:35:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 4:32:22 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 11/29/2010 4:29:34 PM, clucas wrote:
At 11/29/2010 4:27:37 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 11/29/2010 4:25:39 PM, clucas wrote:
People always say its only a bad thing, and its only going to lead to more conflict. But is it always neccesairly harmful or can it sometimes be justified?
Thoughts?

The difference between revenge and justice.

There is a difference, or can revenge be considered justice?

That depends on who is looking at it.

Justice must be done based purely on fact and not on emotion. Revenge is the emotional cousin, and as such can often be wrong or overdone.

But your are saying that it is not always neccesairly a bad thing? I agree that it can, if not usually, be overdone and cause more conflict. But do you believe there are situations where it can be not be considered wrong?
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11/29/2010 4:43:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 4:37:45 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Justice is when someone receives what he is owed; revenge is when someone is given what he deserves.

But technically couldnt somebody be owed revenge of some sort?
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11/29/2010 4:48:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 4:37:45 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Justice is when someone receives what he is owed; revenge is when someone is given what he deserves.

Was that on a bumper sticker on the highway? lol
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11/29/2010 4:53:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 4:48:21 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 11/29/2010 4:37:45 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Justice is when someone receives what he is owed; revenge is when someone is given what he deserves.

Was that on a bumper sticker on the highway? lol

Not that I'm aware of. It was just a clever rhetorical ploy on my part with a pinch of truth.
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11/29/2010 4:55:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 4:53:04 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 11/29/2010 4:48:21 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 11/29/2010 4:37:45 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Justice is when someone receives what he is owed; revenge is when someone is given what he deserves.

Was that on a bumper sticker on the highway? lol

Not that I'm aware of. It was just a clever rhetorical ploy on my part with a pinch of truth.

I could actually see that on a bumper sticker aha. Of course most topics arent about revenge.
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11/29/2010 7:27:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Revenge is like ice-cream, it's sweet and it's best served COLD. ^_-
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11/29/2010 7:34:30 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 7:27:34 PM, tvellalott wrote:
Revenge is like ice-cream, it's sweet and it's best served COLD. ^_-
I've never understood that saying. How do you serve revenge cold? What happens if revenge gets hot? Is revenge edible? How do you go about eating revenge?
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11/29/2010 7:40:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 4:55:40 PM, clucas wrote:
At 11/29/2010 4:53:04 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 11/29/2010 4:48:21 PM, OreEle wrote:
At 11/29/2010 4:37:45 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
Justice is when someone receives what he is owed; revenge is when someone is given what he deserves.

Was that on a bumper sticker on the highway? lol

Not that I'm aware of. It was just a clever rhetorical ploy on my part with a pinch of truth.

I could actually see that on a bumper sticker aha. Of course most topics arent about revenge.

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I will finance a bumper sticker like that... Just kidding... But, seriously I will. Maybe even t-shirts.
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11/29/2010 7:50:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 7:34:30 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/29/2010 7:27:34 PM, tvellalott wrote:
Revenge is like ice-cream, it's sweet and it's best served COLD. ^_-
I've never understood that saying. How do you serve revenge cold? What happens if revenge gets hot? Is revenge edible? How do you go about eating revenge?

Erm, it means that the act of revenge is best when it happens well after the original act occured, to allow the targets of said revenge so as to allow for the element of surprise.
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11/29/2010 7:53:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 7:50:40 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 11/29/2010 7:34:30 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/29/2010 7:27:34 PM, tvellalott wrote:
Revenge is like ice-cream, it's sweet and it's best served COLD. ^_-
I've never understood that saying. How do you serve revenge cold? What happens if revenge gets hot? Is revenge edible? How do you go about eating revenge?

Erm, it means that the act of revenge is best when it happens well after the original act occured, to allow the targets of said revenge so as to allow for the element of surprise.
Really? I thought it meant by committing your revenge in cold blood, or something.
Ah well. Thanks for letting me know.
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11/29/2010 8:00:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 7:53:16 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/29/2010 7:50:40 PM, tvellalott wrote:
At 11/29/2010 7:34:30 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/29/2010 7:27:34 PM, tvellalott wrote:
Revenge is like ice-cream, it's sweet and it's best served COLD. ^_-
I've never understood that saying. How do you serve revenge cold? What happens if revenge gets hot? Is revenge edible? How do you go about eating revenge?

Erm, it means that the act of revenge is best when it happens well after the original act occured, to allow the targets of said revenge so as to allow for the element of surprise.
Really? I thought it meant by committing your revenge in cold blood, or something.
Ah well. Thanks for letting me know.

That's what I thought too, but both work.
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innomen
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11/30/2010 10:17:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Revenge is not good, and it borders self-righteousness. It's taking joy in punishment, or perhaps justice, but has nothing to do with justice itself. Those who can rise above it are better for it.
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11/30/2010 10:19:12 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/30/2010 10:17:40 AM, innomen wrote:
Revenge is not good, and it borders self-righteousness. It's taking joy in punishment, or perhaps justice, but has nothing to do with justice itself. Those who can rise above it are better for it.

HEY! I was gonna say that but you beat me to it. Expect full retaliation!
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11/30/2010 10:22:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/30/2010 10:20:14 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:19:23 AM, MarquisX wrote:
"Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

Please don't...

why not? It's absolutely true.
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11/30/2010 10:24:48 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/30/2010 10:22:00 AM, MarquisX wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:20:14 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:19:23 AM, MarquisX wrote:
"Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

Please don't...

why not? It's absolutely true.

People take that bible verse out of context so much, including gandhi. Now all of a sudden people quote it. It is so dumb.
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11/30/2010 10:34:27 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/30/2010 10:24:48 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:22:00 AM, MarquisX wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:20:14 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:19:23 AM, MarquisX wrote:
"Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

Please don't...

why not? It's absolutely true.

People take that bible verse out of context so much, including gandhi. Now all of a sudden people quote it. It is so dumb.
Haha more than half the quotes used today have been taken out of context or even credited to the wrong person. Doesn't mean its dumb. When talking about revenge, this quote sums up the truth better than any other could. It's elementary my dear Watson
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11/30/2010 10:45:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/29/2010 4:25:39 PM, clucas wrote:
People always say its only a bad thing, and its only going to lead to more conflict. But is it always neccesairly harmful or can it sometimes be justified?
Thoughts?

If it leads to future conflict then you have not done it right.
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11/30/2010 11:07:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/30/2010 10:22:00 AM, MarquisX wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:20:14 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:19:23 AM, MarquisX wrote:
"Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

Please don't...

why not? It's absolutely true.

No, it isn't. Just like trading value for value doesn't make the whole world broke. The second eye pays off the debt of the first eye. Neutral account. No further action needed after two eyes.
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11/30/2010 11:08:33 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
granted, it's a terrible philosophy (far more rational to simply kill someone if they poke out your eye intentionally, since they'll probably do it again otherwise; and if they do it accidentally, get a cease and desist order and cash compensation rather than increasing their accident rate) but it certainly doesn't make the whole world blind.
It came to be at its height. It was commanded to command. It was a capital before its first stone was laid. It was a monument to the spirit of man.
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11/30/2010 11:11:09 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/30/2010 11:07:05 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:22:00 AM, MarquisX wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:20:14 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:19:23 AM, MarquisX wrote:
"Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

Please don't...

why not? It's absolutely true.

No, it isn't. Just like trading value for value doesn't make the whole world broke. The second eye pays off the debt of the first eye. Neutral account. No further action needed after two eyes.

If I kill your family member, then you kill one if mine do you really think that will be the end of it? Same thing vice versa
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11/30/2010 11:15:12 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/30/2010 11:11:09 AM, MarquisX wrote:
At 11/30/2010 11:07:05 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:22:00 AM, MarquisX wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:20:14 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:19:23 AM, MarquisX wrote:
"Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

Please don't...

why not? It's absolutely true.

No, it isn't. Just like trading value for value doesn't make the whole world broke. The second eye pays off the debt of the first eye. Neutral account. No further action needed after two eyes.

If I kill your family member, then you kill one if mine do you really think that will be the end of it? Same thing vice versa

Happens all the time. If you kill my family member, you go to jail and get executed. How often does your family come after me? Rarely.
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11/30/2010 11:24:47 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/30/2010 11:15:12 AM, OreEle wrote:
At 11/30/2010 11:11:09 AM, MarquisX wrote:
At 11/30/2010 11:07:05 AM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:22:00 AM, MarquisX wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:20:14 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/30/2010 10:19:23 AM, MarquisX wrote:
"Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

Please don't...

why not? It's absolutely true.

No, it isn't. Just like trading value for value doesn't make the whole world broke. The second eye pays off the debt of the first eye. Neutral account. No further action needed after two eyes.

If I kill your family member, then you kill one if mine do you really think that will be the end of it? Same thing vice versa

Happens all the time. If you kill my family member, you go to jail and get executed. How often does your family come after me? Rarely.
That's justice not revenge.
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11/30/2010 11:46:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
revenge to a certain degree is justified. Take for instance a child in elementary school who gets beat up by a bully. does it end there, I think not. The child will exact his/her revenge whether by public humiliation of said bully, or by beating the crap out of the bully so that it insights fear of bullying the child ever again.
Sure it could lead to more conflict later down the road, conflict builds character, or punishment by the parents/school. In the end the child learns to stand up for his/her self and the bully also learns that they aren't invincible.

homicide, and or physical torture are immoral ways of handling revenge.
While mental and social distuction is more fun anyways.
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