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Insulting other's based on ideology.

PetersSmith
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4/29/2016 4:24:48 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Almost everyone has an ideology. Some stick to it more than others, and some are more extreme than others. Because of this, we have hundreds of ideologies conflicting where some are a lot less tolerant than others. There's a trend in society sometimes where people try to demonize others based on their ideology. Sometimes these are strawmen, such as calling an atheist a god-hating nihilist simply because they stated they were an atheist. However, sometimes the "insult" is quite literal. I've noticed people call Bernie Sanders a socialist, when in reality he IS a self-proclaimed socialist. These "attackers" are pointing out the obvious or what was already stated, yet they use the ideology as an insult. For example, people have called me a liberal or conservative in what appeared to be an "insulting manner", believing that these ideologies (whichever one it was) is "below them" and a horrible position.

So, is pointing out someone's ideology actually an insult? Do you feel insulted when people strawman your beliefs? Do you point out ideologies in people that you hate? Why do you think people sometimes do it? Discuss.
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4/29/2016 6:31:05 PM
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At 4/29/2016 4:24:48 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Almost everyone has an ideology. Some stick to it more than others, and some are more extreme than others. Because of this, we have hundreds of ideologies conflicting where some are a lot less tolerant than others. There's a trend in society sometimes where people try to demonize others based on their ideology. Sometimes these are strawmen, such as calling an atheist a god-hating nihilist simply because they stated they were an atheist. However, sometimes the "insult" is quite literal. I've noticed people call Bernie Sanders a socialist, when in reality he IS a self-proclaimed socialist. These "attackers" are pointing out the obvious or what was already stated, yet they use the ideology as an insult. For example, people have called me a liberal or conservative in what appeared to be an "insulting manner", believing that these ideologies (whichever one it was) is "below them" and a horrible position.

So, is pointing out someone's ideology actually an insult? Do you feel insulted when people strawman your beliefs? Do you point out ideologies in people that you hate? Why do you think people sometimes do it? Discuss.

Racism and fascism can be considered an ideologies first and foremost. However, because the vast majority of people look down on racists and fascists as bad people, the usage of these terms became an insult.
A racist could theoretically refer to his opposition as an "equalist" as an insult, but because virtually nobody would consider that an insult, it would have little legitimacy.
Conservatives and Liberals generally try to turn the other side's name into an insult, but neither one at this point can be considered a legitimate insult because 2/3ds of the population does not side with one side or the other, except on some issues.
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4/29/2016 6:33:41 PM
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That is not to say that these efforts have never been successful. The term "right-wing" has become more of an insult these days than "left-wing", and the term "wingnut" is used most often to refer to Conservatives.
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4/29/2016 6:53:07 PM
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At 4/29/2016 4:24:48 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Almost everyone has an ideology. Some stick to it more than others, and some are more extreme than others. Because of this, we have hundreds of ideologies conflicting where some are a lot less tolerant than others. There's a trend in society sometimes where people try to demonize others based on their ideology. Sometimes these are strawmen, such as calling an atheist a god-hating nihilist simply because they stated they were an atheist. However, sometimes the "insult" is quite literal. I've noticed people call Bernie Sanders a socialist, when in reality he IS a self-proclaimed socialist. These "attackers" are pointing out the obvious or what was already stated, yet they use the ideology as an insult. For example, people have called me a liberal or conservative in what appeared to be an "insulting manner", believing that these ideologies (whichever one it was) is "below them" and a horrible position.

So, is pointing out someone's ideology actually an insult? Do you feel insulted when people strawman your beliefs? Do you point out ideologies in people that you hate? Why do you think people sometimes do it? Discuss.

People use labels as cognitive shortcuts, as well as to build coalition. So although in other countries, "socialist" has a very neutral meaning, in the US where it has negative connotations, using it as an insult serves to curry favour with other ignorant people who are more interested in ad hominem attacks than listening to or understanding the "socialist's" point. The same is done with the word "feminist" or the phrase "social justice warrior." It's people perverting the term and ascribing whatever negative characteristics they want to that term, and sending a bat signal to other ignoramuses to mock or ridicule anything the "feminist" or "SJW" has to say, with zero regard for content.
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