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Axonly
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5/7/2016 12:20:43 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
http://www.worldbank.org...

"East Asia saw the most dramatic reduction in extreme poverty, from 80 percent in 1981 to 7.2 percent in 2012"

This made me so much happier.
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5/7/2016 6:32:29 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/7/2016 12:20:43 PM, Axonly wrote:
http://www.worldbank.org...

"East Asia saw the most dramatic reduction in extreme poverty, from 80 percent in 1981 to 7.2 percent in 2012"

This made me so much happier.

Me too :)
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5/7/2016 6:35:03 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
This is interesting, but my concern are the more than half of all Americans who make less that thirty thousand dollars per year.
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5/12/2016 3:59:27 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/7/2016 6:35:03 PM, YYW wrote:
This is interesting, but my concern are the more than half of all Americans who make less that thirty thousand dollars per year.

That's 30 thousand tacos.

Yum.
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5/13/2016 7:20:10 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/7/2016 6:35:03 PM, YYW wrote:
This is interesting, but my concern are the more than half of all Americans who make less that thirty thousand dollars per year.
Making less than $30,000 isn't a problem if we know how to budget our finances. I think people who make more money are jealous that we can make do with less materialistically and be happier with what we have. I'm not one of those people who are "poor" who hate the rich, I actually pity some of them for needing wealth to feel complete.

What I'm saying is I could become rich and still be happy, but many rich people NEED to maintain their wealth, since they depend on it for happiness. Why do the rich hate the poor in America?

BTW, I'm happy about the news in the OP.
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5/13/2016 10:42:23 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
If the studies were true then the world should be getting better. Why is it not? Because of the IMF and World Banks. This article covers the harm of the world bank.

http://www.globalenvision.org...

" Most Scholars and human rights activists contend that the Bank's aggressive dealings with developing nations, which were often ruled by dictatorial regimes, exacerbated the developing world's growing debt crisis, devastated local ecologies and indigenous communities. "

I believe that these statics are deceitful and do not show the true state of the world.
something I will look into further.
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5/13/2016 11:02:53 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Personally I am a fan of Noam Chomsky, who claims in his article.

Chomsky gave several examples to support his claim that the World Bank and the IMF continue to make erroneous predictions about economic situations. He even poked fun at the tendency the organizations have for writing new theorems without empirical data. "Every crisis spawns new models," Chomsky quipped.
"It depends on what the public decides to do, but it will not happen easily," Chomsky said
http://tech.mit.edu...

I am not a big fan of using other peoples work, but it shows that there is enough compelling reason to doubt the statistics of the World Bank as a source for measuring the well being of countries and their citizens
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5/13/2016 11:35:35 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/13/2016 10:42:23 PM, Rightreform wrote:
If the studies were true then the world should be getting better. Why is it not? Because of the IMF and World Banks. This article covers the harm of the world bank.

http://www.globalenvision.org...

" Most Scholars and human rights activists contend that the Bank's aggressive dealings with developing nations, which were often ruled by dictatorial regimes, exacerbated the developing world's growing debt crisis, devastated local ecologies and indigenous communities. "

I believe that these statics are deceitful and do not show the true state of the world.
something I will look into further.

Here's some more proof the world poverty situation is getting better:

http://www.economist.com...

http://www.pewresearch.org...

https://ourworldindata.org...

http://www.economist.com...
Meh!
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5/14/2016 8:30:21 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/13/2016 11:35:35 PM, Axonly wrote:
At 5/13/2016 10:42:23 PM, Rightreform wrote:
If the studies were true then the world should be getting better. Why is it not? Because of the IMF and World Banks. This article covers the harm of the world bank.

http://www.globalenvision.org...

" Most Scholars and human rights activists contend that the Bank's aggressive dealings with developing nations, which were often ruled by dictatorial regimes, exacerbated the developing world's growing debt crisis, devastated local ecologies and indigenous communities. "

I believe that these statics are deceitful and do not show the true state of the world.
something I will look into further.

Here's some more proof the world poverty situation is getting better:

http://www.economist.com...

http://www.pewresearch.org...

https://ourworldindata.org...

http://www.economist.com...

So are you defending the actions of the world bank? Do you deny what they are doing to nations that they claim to be helping? Putting extreme conditions on the government and creating HARMFUL ECONOMIC SYSTEMS. The definition of poverty does not include just money although income is used as an indicator for poverty, but it is the condition in which people exist it can indicate a lack of fundamental services, sanitation and healthcare that is available to people.

Exaggeration and misinformation about poverty obscure the nature, extent, and causes of real material deprivation, thereby hampering the development of well-targeted, effective programs to reduce the problem.
The statement that 'poverty is the principal cause of hunger' is, though correct, unsatisfying.
Harmful economic systems. Hunger Notes believes that a principal underlying cause of poverty and hunger is the ordinary operation of the economic and political systems in the world. Essentially control over resources and income is based on military, political, and economic power that typically ends up in the hands of a minority, who live well, while those at the bottom barely survive, if they do. We have described the operation of this system in more detail in our special section on Harmful economic systems.
http://www.worldhunger.org...
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5/14/2016 9:05:16 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Look I am not perfect, I can be wrong sometimes, but we have a majority of critical thinkers on this debate site. I do see promising stats. I have to question what are they studying and how much of the truth can these studies show. I look at the world health organization and I see the most recent stats, they seem progressive, but I need to see the big picture what is really going on in the economy. Are we being duped in a big power struggle? I see grave concerns for the future.

When bourgeois economists talk of "globalization" they are trying to give the impression that capitalism can be consciously controlled and unified by the rules that mark the world market. What really happens is just the opposite: the realities of the world market impose their own laws, but in a framework dominated by the desperate efforts of each national capital to escape them and to push all their weight onto their rivals.
The present "globalized" world market is not a framework for progress and unification but of anarchy and disintegration. The tendency of decadent capitalism is towards the break-up of the world market, under the powerful centrifugal forces of the national economies structured by hypertrophied states which try to protect with all means (including military) the product of their exploitation of the workers against the assault of their competitors.
http://en.internationalism.org...

http://www.worldhunger.org...
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5/14/2016 9:14:42 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/14/2016 8:30:21 AM, Rightreform wrote:
At 5/13/2016 11:35:35 PM, Axonly wrote:
At 5/13/2016 10:42:23 PM, Rightreform wrote:
If the studies were true then the world should be getting better. Why is it not? Because of the IMF and World Banks. This article covers the harm of the world bank.

http://www.globalenvision.org...

" Most Scholars and human rights activists contend that the Bank's aggressive dealings with developing nations, which were often ruled by dictatorial regimes, exacerbated the developing world's growing debt crisis, devastated local ecologies and indigenous communities. "

I believe that these statics are deceitful and do not show the true state of the world.
something I will look into further.

Here's some more proof the world poverty situation is getting better:

http://www.economist.com...

http://www.pewresearch.org...

https://ourworldindata.org...

http://www.economist.com...

So are you defending the actions of the world bank? Do you deny what they are doing to nations that they claim to be helping? Putting extreme conditions on the government and creating HARMFUL ECONOMIC SYSTEMS. The definition of poverty does not include just money although income is used as an indicator for poverty, but it is the condition in which people exist it can indicate a lack of fundamental services, sanitation and healthcare that is available to people.

Exaggeration and misinformation about poverty obscure the nature, extent, and causes of real material deprivation, thereby hampering the development of well-targeted, effective programs to reduce the problem.
The statement that 'poverty is the principal cause of hunger' is, though correct, unsatisfying.
Harmful economic systems. Hunger Notes believes that a principal underlying cause of poverty and hunger is the ordinary operation of the economic and political systems in the world. Essentially control over resources and income is based on military, political, and economic power that typically ends up in the hands of a minority, who live well, while those at the bottom barely survive, if they do. We have described the operation of this system in more detail in our special section on Harmful economic systems.
http://www.worldhunger.org...

I just wanted to point out that poverty is getting reduced, you are just avoiding the point.
Meh!
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5/14/2016 5:03:23 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/14/2016 9:14:42 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 5/14/2016 8:30:21 AM, Rightreform wrote:
At 5/13/2016 11:35:35 PM, Axonly wrote:
At 5/13/2016 10:42:23 PM, Rightreform wrote:
If the studies were true then the world should be getting better. Why is it not? Because of the IMF and World Banks. This article covers the harm of the world bank.

http://www.globalenvision.org...

" Most Scholars and human rights activists contend that the Bank's aggressive dealings with developing nations, which were often ruled by dictatorial regimes, exacerbated the developing world's growing debt crisis, devastated local ecologies and indigenous communities. "

I believe that these statics are deceitful and do not show the true state of the world.
something I will look into further.

Here's some more proof the world poverty situation is getting better:

http://www.economist.com...

http://www.pewresearch.org...

https://ourworldindata.org...

http://www.economist.com...

So are you defending the actions of the world bank? Do you deny what they are doing to nations that they claim to be helping? Putting extreme conditions on the government and creating HARMFUL ECONOMIC SYSTEMS. The definition of poverty does not include just money although income is used as an indicator for poverty, but it is the condition in which people exist it can indicate a lack of fundamental services, sanitation and healthcare that is available to people.

Exaggeration and misinformation about poverty obscure the nature, extent, and causes of real material deprivation, thereby hampering the development of well-targeted, effective programs to reduce the problem.
The statement that 'poverty is the principal cause of hunger' is, though correct, unsatisfying.
Harmful economic systems. Hunger Notes believes that a principal underlying cause of poverty and hunger is the ordinary operation of the economic and political systems in the world. Essentially control over resources and income is based on military, political, and economic power that typically ends up in the hands of a minority, who live well, while those at the bottom barely survive, if they do. We have described the operation of this system in more detail in our special section on Harmful economic systems.
http://www.worldhunger.org...

I just wanted to point out that poverty is getting reduced, you are just avoiding the point.

On the contrary " the impact is underestimated because of too narrow a focus"
Just because you could show me the wealth of the nation goes up you avoid the issue because land is taken over, goods are exported, and the city takes over the village. Locals are subjected to grievous oppression. through capitalist mercantilism.
"This pattern continues until the present placing profit over people. . The consistency of the record is no less impressive than the rhetoric hailing the latest showcase for democracy and capitalism as an "economic miracle"-and what the rhetoric regularly conceals.".
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