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12/5/2010 10:33:01 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Fnord is the typographic representation of disinformation or irrelevant information intending to misdirect, with the implication of a worldwide conspiracy. The word was coined as a nonsensical term with religious undertones in the Discordian religious text Principia Discordia (1965) by Kerry Thornley and Greg Hill, but was popularized by The Illuminatus! Trilogy (1975) of satirical conspiracy fiction novels by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson.

In these novels, the interjection "fnord" is given hypnotic power over the unenlightened. Under the Illuminati program, children in grade school are taught to be unable to consciously see the word "fnord". For the rest of their lives, every appearance of the word subconsciously generates a feeling of uneasiness and confusion, and prevents rational consideration of the subject. This results in a perpetual low-grade state of fear in the populace. The Government acts on the premise that a fearful populace keeps them in power.

In the Shea/Wilson construct, fnords are scattered liberally in the text of newspapers and magazines, causing fear and anxiety in those following current events. However, there are no fnords in the advertisements, encouraging a consumerist society. It is implied in the books that fnord is not the actual word used for this task, but merely a substitute, since most readers would be unable to see the actual word.

To see the fnords means to be unaffected by the supposed hypnotic power of the word or, more loosely, of other fighting words. A more common expression of the concept would be "to read between the lines." The phrase "I have seen the fnords" was famously graffitied on a railway bridge (known locally as Anarchy Bridge) between Earlsdon and Coventry (U.K.) city centre throughout the 1980s and 1990s, until the bridge was upgraded. The bridge and the phrase were mentioned in the novel A Touch of Love by Jonathan Coe.

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An interesting hypothetical. Discuss.
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Ren
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12/5/2010 11:53:06 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
So, tell me. What are the requirements of the individuals that have the privilege of understanding the system well enough to be aware of and identify fnords?
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12/5/2010 11:55:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/5/2010 11:53:06 PM, Ren wrote:
So, tell me. What are the requirements of the individuals that have the privilege of understanding the system well enough to be aware of and identify fnords?

Trouble-makers such as these can only be explained as having a blessing from Eris.
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12/6/2010 12:02:07 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/5/2010 11:55:59 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/5/2010 11:53:06 PM, Ren wrote:
So, tell me. What are the requirements of the individuals that have the privilege of understanding the system well enough to be aware of and identify fnords?

Trouble-makers such as these can only be explained as having a blessing from Eris.

The very leash of society is an instrument of chaos?
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12/6/2010 12:08:25 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:02:07 AM, Ren wrote:
At 12/5/2010 11:55:59 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/5/2010 11:53:06 PM, Ren wrote:
So, tell me. What are the requirements of the individuals that have the privilege of understanding the system well enough to be aware of and identify fnords?

Trouble-makers such as these can only be explained as having a blessing from Eris.

The very leash of society is an instrument of chaos?

I do not understand your question. Good job. Discord is strong with this one. No wonder you are the only one besides me to see the thread so far.
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Ren
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12/6/2010 12:33:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:08:25 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:02:07 AM, Ren wrote:
At 12/5/2010 11:55:59 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/5/2010 11:53:06 PM, Ren wrote:
So, tell me. What are the requirements of the individuals that have the privilege of understanding the system well enough to be aware of and identify fnords?

Trouble-makers such as these can only be explained as having a blessing from Eris.

The very leash of society is an instrument of chaos?

I do not understand your question. Good job. Discord is strong with this one. No wonder you are the only one besides me to see the thread so far.

A fnord would be both a limitation as well as a means of control; effectively, a leash.

Eris was a goddess of chaos in various cultures, with various spellings (Aris, Aeris, Eris, etc.).

So, I guess I was checking whether I understood your reference. I guess I didn't.
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12/6/2010 3:10:42 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:33:03 PM, Ren wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:08:25 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:02:07 AM, Ren wrote:
At 12/5/2010 11:55:59 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/5/2010 11:53:06 PM, Ren wrote:
So, tell me. What are the requirements of the individuals that have the privilege of understanding the system well enough to be aware of and identify fnords?

Trouble-makers such as these can only be explained as having a blessing from Eris.

The very leash of society is an instrument of chaos?

I do not understand your question. Good job. Discord is strong with this one. No wonder you are the only one besides me to see the thread so far.

A fnord would be both a limitation as well as a means of control; effectively, a leash.

Eris was a goddess of chaos in various cultures, with various spellings (Aris, Aeris, Eris, etc.).

So, I guess I was checking whether I understood your reference. I guess I didn't.

Google Discordianism.
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12/6/2010 3:11:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/6/2010 3:07:41 PM, Atheism wrote:
This thread should belong in the spam thread.

Yay, verily! Another person can see the thread!

Besides my recent replies this thread is meant to be serious.
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Ren
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12/6/2010 4:34:14 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/6/2010 3:10:42 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:33:03 PM, Ren wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:08:25 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:02:07 AM, Ren wrote:
At 12/5/2010 11:55:59 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/5/2010 11:53:06 PM, Ren wrote:
So, tell me. What are the requirements of the individuals that have the privilege of understanding the system well enough to be aware of and identify fnords?

Trouble-makers such as these can only be explained as having a blessing from Eris.

The very leash of society is an instrument of chaos?

I do not understand your question. Good job. Discord is strong with this one. No wonder you are the only one besides me to see the thread so far.

A fnord would be both a limitation as well as a means of control; effectively, a leash.

Eris was a goddess of chaos in various cultures, with various spellings (Aris, Aeris, Eris, etc.).

So, I guess I was checking whether I understood your reference. I guess I didn't.

Google Discordianism.

Alright, I'm going to throw out a guess that it's some philosophical perspective that assumes chaos governs reality. Checking.

...yep.

How could there be rules amidst chaos?

Bear in mind that, without rules, there's no sciences.
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12/6/2010 7:52:56 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/6/2010 4:34:14 PM, Ren wrote:
At 12/6/2010 3:10:42 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:33:03 PM, Ren wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:08:25 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:02:07 AM, Ren wrote:
At 12/5/2010 11:55:59 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/5/2010 11:53:06 PM, Ren wrote:
So, tell me. What are the requirements of the individuals that have the privilege of understanding the system well enough to be aware of and identify fnords?

Trouble-makers such as these can only be explained as having a blessing from Eris.

The very leash of society is an instrument of chaos?

I do not understand your question. Good job. Discord is strong with this one. No wonder you are the only one besides me to see the thread so far.

A fnord would be both a limitation as well as a means of control; effectively, a leash.

Eris was a goddess of chaos in various cultures, with various spellings (Aris, Aeris, Eris, etc.).

So, I guess I was checking whether I understood your reference. I guess I didn't.

Google Discordianism.

Alright, I'm going to throw out a guess that it's some philosophical perspective that assumes chaos governs reality. Checking.

...yep.

How could there be rules amidst chaos?

Bear in mind that, without rules, there's no sciences.

DOGMA III - HISTORY #2, "COSMOGONY" - Principia Discordia

In the beginning there was VOID, who had two daughters; one (the smaller) was that of BEING, named ERIS, and one (the larger) was of NON-BEING, named ANERIS. (To this day, the fundamental truth that Aneris is the larger is apparent to all who compare the great number of things that do not exist with the comparatively small number of things that do exist.)

Eris had been born pregnant, and after 55 years (Goddesses have an unusually long gestation period-- longer even than elephants), Her pregnancy bore the fruits of many things. These things were composed of the Five Basic Elements, SWEET, BOOM, PUNGENT, PRICKLE, and ORANGE. Aneris, however, had been created sterile. When she saw Eris enjoying Herself so greatly with all of the existent things She had borne, Aneris became jealous and finally one day she stole some existent things and changed them into non- existent things and claimed them as her own children. This deeply hurt Eris, who felt that Her sister was unjust (being so much larger anyway) to deny Her her small joy. And so She made herself swell again to bear more things. And She swore that no matter how many of her begotten that Aneris would steal, She would beget more. And, in return, Aneris swore that no matter how many existent things Eris brought forth, she would eventually find them and turn them into non-existent things for her own. (And to this day, things appear and disappear in this very manner.)

At first, the things brought forth by Eris were in a state of chaos and went in every which way, but by the by She began playing with them and ordered some of them just to see what would happen. Some pretty things arose from this play and for the next five zillion years She amused Herself by creating order. And so She grouped some things with others and some groups with others, and big groups with little groups, and all combinations until She had many grand schemes which delighted Her.

Engrossed in establishing order, She finally one day noticed disorder (previously not apparent because everything was chaos). There were many ways in which chaos was ordered and many ways in which it was not.

"Hah," She thought, "Here shall be a new game."

And She taught order and disorder to play with each other in contest games, and to take turns amusing each other. She named the side of disorder after Herself, "ERISTIC" because Being is anarchic. And then, in a mood of sympathy for Her lonely sister, She named the other side "ANERISTIC" which flattered Aneris and smoothed the friction a little that was between them.

Now all of this time, Void was somewhat disturbed. He felt unsatisfied for he had created only physical existence and physical non- existence, and had neglected the spiritual. As he contemplated this, a great Quiet was caused and he went into a state of Deep Sleep which lasted for 5 eras. At the end of this ordeal, he begat a brother to Eris and Aneris, that of SPIRITUALITY, who had no name at all.

When the sisters heard this, they both confronted Void and pleaded that he not forget them, his First Born. And so Void decreed thus:

That this brother, having no form, was to reside with Aneris in Non-Being and then to leave her and, so that he might play with order and disorder, reside with Eris in Being. But Eris became filled with sorrow when She heard this and then began to weep.

"Why are you despondent?" demanded Void, "Your new brother will have his share with you." "But Father, Aneris and I have been arguing, and she will take him from me when she discovers him, and cause him to return to Non- Being." "I see,"replied Void, "Then I decree the following:

"When your brother leaves the residence of Being, he shall not reside again in Non-Being, but shall return to Me, Void, from whence he came. You girls may bicker as you wish, but My son is your Brother and We are all of Myself."

And so it is that we, as men, do not exist until we do; and then it is that we play with our world of existent things, and order and disorder them, and so it shall be that non-existence shall take us back from existence and that nameless spirituality shall return to Void, like a tired child home from a very wild circus.
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12/7/2010 5:23:57 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/6/2010 3:11:43 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/6/2010 3:07:41 PM, Atheism wrote:
This thread should belong in the spam thread.

Yay, verily! Another person can see the thread!

Besides my recent replies this thread is meant to be serious.
But you cannot be serious. It goes against your principles. Why would you establish something that contradicts your nature?
I miss the old members.
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12/7/2010 2:43:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/7/2010 5:23:57 AM, Atheism wrote:
At 12/6/2010 3:11:43 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 12/6/2010 3:07:41 PM, Atheism wrote:
This thread should belong in the spam thread.

Yay, verily! Another person can see the thread!

Besides my recent replies this thread is meant to be serious.
But you cannot be serious. It goes against your principles. Why would you establish something that contradicts your nature?

Because if there were any truth to the post, then you wouldn't understand it, it would make you uncomfortable, and you would generally avoid it.

In other words, he meant to present to the post seriously, but ultimately, it's a huge joke.

What I didn't understand, was his reference to Discordanism, but I'm pretty sure I understand it, now. At first, I thought it was because it aligns more with his personal beliefs, but within a construct that has such a heavy-handed means of control, people that can think above that control are agents of chaos. So, his response was simply facetious within the scope of the joke.
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12/7/2010 4:50:07 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
Simultaniously alternating.
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