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5/29/2016 5:04:36 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
YoutTube. Everyone's favorite source of random videos ranging from lists, reaction videos, animations, music, let's plays, and people complaining. However, there has been quite a bit of controversy surrounding YouTube's "fair use" laws. Because of their policies, people having been abusing its copy-right system. "Content Creators receiving copyright strikes has been increasingly notable since late 2013 following changes to the copyright system, beginning with Day One: Garry"s Incident, a situation in which the creators of the game Day One: Garry"s Incident flagged a review by popular gaming channel, TotalBiscuit"s, negative review of said game. The situation garnered a negative reaction towards the copyright system, following TotalBiscuit"s video following the incident." YouTubers' videos are being flagged, with popular channels having multiple flags a day, and have their videos taken down and sometimes their channels even been shut down for an extended period of time.

"#WTFU (aka Where"s The Fair Use) is an online campaign in response to Youtube copyright system and addresses how people and companies can easily file fraudulent claims on a Youtube video and how Youtube needs to rebuild its copyright system.This lead many people to believe the Youtube completely disregards Fair Use[2] and Freedom of Speech. This was a result after many videos, and even accounts/channels, were taken off the Youtube site, despite being made under Fair Use." http://knowyourmeme.com...

So what exactly is the problem? The videos posted explain it pretty well, especially the Nostalgia Critic's, but most of you are probably too lazy to watch any of them. Anyway, because of YouTube's fair use system, copyright allegations are extremely easy to make. Content ID triggers an automatic copyright claim on behalf of the copyright holder on YouTube and subsequently freezes all revenue streams, for all parties, regardless of the legitimacy of the underlying claim. People are able to demand videos be taken down and even sue other channels because they "claim" there was a copyright infringement. Usually, the plaintiffs actually sue channels because they made videos they don't like (such as what happened with Total Biscuit) or they are only interested in making easy money and ruining someone else's channel. By shifting the neutral presumption accompanied with fair use against the uploader, Content ID effectively overrides judicial precedent. When a video is flagged, a channel flagged, or a channel sued, the uploader is practically treated as a criminal by YouTube. This results in devastating consequences, as stated before, for YouTubers who try to make a living off of YouTube. In the h3 video, you can see that the plaintiffs try to scare/blackmail the channels into giving them money so they don't have to go to court. http://scholarship.law.duke.edu...

According to Forbes, "YouTube has become increasingly antagonistic towards its user base and jumped gleefully into bed with big corporations...this response from YouTube is bizarrely harsh, especially when historically this kind of thing has never been an issue." http://www.forbes.com...

So, what are your thoughts on this "copyright disaster" situation on YouTube that has been raging for quite sometime? Do you think YouTube will eventually change its policies (considering they do sometimes cave when too many users are upset)? What do you think could be improved, or do you think the system is fine as is? Discuss.
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5/29/2016 5:57:54 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
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YoutTube. Everyone's favorite source of random videos ranging from lists, reaction videos, animations, music, let's plays, and people complaining. However, there has been quite a bit of controversy surrounding YouTube's "fair use" laws. Because of their policies, people having been abusing its copy-right system. "Content Creators receiving copyright strikes has been increasingly notable since late 2013 following changes to the copyright system, beginning with Day One: Garry"s Incident, a situation in which the creators of the game Day One: Garry"s Incident flagged a review by popular gaming channel, TotalBiscuit"s, negative review of said game. The situation garnered a negative reaction towards the copyright system, following TotalBiscuit"s video following the incident." YouTubers' videos are being flagged, with popular channels having multiple flags a day, and have their videos taken down and sometimes their channels even been shut down for an extended period of time.

"#WTFU (aka Where"s The Fair Use) is an online campaign in response to Youtube copyright system and addresses how people and companies can easily file fraudulent claims on a Youtube video and how Youtube needs to rebuild its copyright system.This lead many people to believe the Youtube completely disregards Fair Use[2] and Freedom of Speech. This was a result after many videos, and even accounts/channels, were taken off the Youtube site, despite being made under Fair Use." http://knowyourmeme.com...

So what exactly is the problem? The videos posted explain it pretty well, especially the Nostalgia Critic's, but most of you are probably too lazy to watch any of them. Anyway, because of YouTube's fair use system, copyright allegations are extremely easy to make. Content ID triggers an automatic copyright claim on behalf of the copyright holder on YouTube and subsequently freezes all revenue streams, for all parties, regardless of the legitimacy of the underlying claim. People are able to demand videos be taken down and even sue other channels because they "claim" there was a copyright infringement. Usually, the plaintiffs actually sue channels because they made videos they don't like (such as what happened with Total Biscuit) or they are only interested in making easy money and ruining someone else's channel. By shifting the neutral presumption accompanied with fair use against the uploader, Content ID effectively overrides judicial precedent. When a video is flagged, a channel flagged, or a channel sued, the uploader is practically treated as a criminal by YouTube. This results in devastating consequences, as stated before, for YouTubers who try to make a living off of YouTube. In the h3 video, you can see that the plaintiffs try to scare/blackmail the channels into giving them money so they don't have to go to court. http://scholarship.law.duke.edu...

According to Forbes, "YouTube has become increasingly antagonistic towards its user base and jumped gleefully into bed with big corporations...this response from YouTube is bizarrely harsh, especially when historically this kind of thing has never been an issue." http://www.forbes.com...

So, what are your thoughts on this "copyright disaster" situation on YouTube that has been raging for quite sometime? Do you think YouTube will eventually change its policies (considering they do sometimes cave when too many users are upset)? What do you think could be improved, or do you think the system is fine as is? Discuss.

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5/30/2016 3:37:17 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 5:04:36 PM, PetersSmith wrote:










YoutTube. Everyone's favorite source of random videos ranging from lists, reaction videos, animations, music, let's plays, and people complaining. However, there has been quite a bit of controversy surrounding YouTube's "fair use" laws. Because of their policies, people having been abusing its copy-right system. "Content Creators receiving copyright strikes has been increasingly notable since late 2013 following changes to the copyright system, beginning with Day One: Garry"s Incident, a situation in which the creators of the game Day One: Garry"s Incident flagged a review by popular gaming channel, TotalBiscuit"s, negative review of said game. The situation garnered a negative reaction towards the copyright system, following TotalBiscuit"s video following the incident." YouTubers' videos are being flagged, with popular channels having multiple flags a day, and have their videos taken down and sometimes their channels even been shut down for an extended period of time.

"#WTFU (aka Where"s The Fair Use) is an online campaign in response to Youtube copyright system and addresses how people and companies can easily file fraudulent claims on a Youtube video and how Youtube needs to rebuild its copyright system.This lead many people to believe the Youtube completely disregards Fair Use[2] and Freedom of Speech. This was a result after many videos, and even accounts/channels, were taken off the Youtube site, despite being made under Fair Use." http://knowyourmeme.com...

So what exactly is the problem? The videos posted explain it pretty well, especially the Nostalgia Critic's, but most of you are probably too lazy to watch any of them. Anyway, because of YouTube's fair use system, copyright allegations are extremely easy to make. Content ID triggers an automatic copyright claim on behalf of the copyright holder on YouTube and subsequently freezes all revenue streams, for all parties, regardless of the legitimacy of the underlying claim. People are able to demand videos be taken down and even sue other channels because they "claim" there was a copyright infringement. Usually, the plaintiffs actually sue channels because they made videos they don't like (such as what happened with Total Biscuit) or they are only interested in making easy money and ruining someone else's channel. By shifting the neutral presumption accompanied with fair use against the uploader, Content ID effectively overrides judicial precedent. When a video is flagged, a channel flagged, or a channel sued, the uploader is practically treated as a criminal by YouTube. This results in devastating consequences, as stated before, for YouTubers who try to make a living off of YouTube. In the h3 video, you can see that the plaintiffs try to scare/blackmail the channels into giving them money so they don't have to go to court. http://scholarship.law.duke.edu...

According to Forbes, "YouTube has become increasingly antagonistic towards its user base and jumped gleefully into bed with big corporations...this response from YouTube is bizarrely harsh, especially when historically this kind of thing has never been an issue." http://www.forbes.com...

So, what are your thoughts on this "copyright disaster" situation on YouTube that has been raging for quite sometime? Do you think YouTube will eventually change its policies (considering they do sometimes cave when too many users are upset)? What do you think could be improved, or do you think the system is fine as is? Discuss.

I made a thread about this back in March ;_;
But I did discuss this with some friends, and thought of something.
For youtubers who are uploading videos that may get flagged as copyright, I feel like YouTube should have something for them. For example, when uploading a video, there are a few options. If it's original content, you can click that, making it now your content, and adding any kind of information to make it valid (if needed for a song or something).
As for people like NostalgiaCritic, there could be another option, in which they upload stuff...exactly as they upload it now, but when doing so, they can fill out any copyright information, making it fair use.

And along with that YouTube needs to actually look into flagged videos, and see if anything is actually being infringed. If it is, then they can take action. If it is not, then the accuser can either face some kind of impending punishment, or get nothing from it (preferably both). This can include things like "if this happens two more times, your flagging priviledges will be revoked", or something along those lines.
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5/30/2016 3:48:21 AM
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Be careful not to react to anything unless you want to get sued.
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5/30/2016 1:12:47 PM
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At 5/30/2016 3:48:21 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
Be careful not to react to anything unless you want to get sued.

Haha. Is that a fine bros reference?
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5/30/2016 2:26:20 PM
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At 5/30/2016 1:12:47 PM, NothingSpecial99 wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:48:21 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
Be careful not to react to anything unless you want to get sued.

Haha. Is that a fine bros reference?

Sure is
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

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5/30/2016 11:40:03 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 2:26:20 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 5/30/2016 1:12:47 PM, NothingSpecial99 wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:48:21 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
Be careful not to react to anything unless you want to get sued.

Haha. Is that a fine bros reference?

Sure is

How in the world did they manage to trademark the word "react"? How was this approved by the United States Patent and Trademark Office?

In all seriousness, it's a shame that a Youtube channel would stoop to these levels. I was actually a fan of the fine bros' content since the very beginning with their first kids react to _____________ videos.
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5/30/2016 11:43:47 PM
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At 5/30/2016 3:48:21 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
Be careful not to react to anything unless you want to get sued.

Chemists must be in for some real trouble.
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5/31/2016 8:43:47 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 11:43:47 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:48:21 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
Be careful not to react to anything unless you want to get sued.

Chemists must be in for some real trouble.

That was a good one.
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5/31/2016 8:44:18 PM
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At 5/30/2016 11:40:03 PM, NothingSpecial99 wrote:
At 5/30/2016 2:26:20 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 5/30/2016 1:12:47 PM, NothingSpecial99 wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:48:21 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
Be careful not to react to anything unless you want to get sued.

Haha. Is that a fine bros reference?

Sure is

How in the world did they manage to trademark the word "react"? How was this approved by the United States Patent and Trademark Office?

In all seriousness, it's a shame that a Youtube channel would stoop to these levels. I was actually a fan of the fine bros' content since the very beginning with their first kids react to _____________ videos.

They said that they came up with the reaction video genre, so they can trademark it and thus anyone that does a reaction video in that specific way will have to pay money to them.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.