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Diqiucun_Cunmin
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6/1/2016 6:55:27 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
http://www.latimes.com...

Gunshots were heard, and two people died, one of whom may have been the murderer.
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6/1/2016 7:32:33 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 6:55:27 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
http://www.latimes.com...

Gunshots were heard, and two people died, one of whom may have been the murderer.

Sh!t like this pisses me off. We have people dropping like flies every day in crime-heavy Chicago neighborhoods, but a gun goes off on a university campus and the entire police force shuts down the city. Do you hear a peep out of liberals then, who are apparently so concerned about privilege and oppression? When society has such a grotesquely disparate response to violence targeting one socioeconomic group, but that group happens to be bourgeois college students, they suddenly aren't so strident any more. If we lived in an equitable society, nobody would bat an eye at mass shootings until the real gun violence problems (50% of which are suicides, the rest of which are overwhelmingly murders with handguns) were addressed. Cowards and pampered hypocrites.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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6/1/2016 8:40:31 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 7:32:33 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:55:27 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
http://www.latimes.com...

Gunshots were heard, and two people died, one of whom may have been the murderer.

Sh!t like this pisses me off. We have people dropping like flies every day in crime-heavy Chicago neighborhoods, but a gun goes off on a university campus and the entire police force shuts down the city. Do you hear a peep out of liberals then, who are apparently so concerned about privilege and oppression? When society has such a grotesquely disparate response to violence targeting one socioeconomic group, but that group happens to be bourgeois college students, they suddenly aren't so strident any more. If we lived in an equitable society, nobody would bat an eye at mass shootings until the real gun violence problems (50% of which are suicides, the rest of which are overwhelmingly murders with handguns) were addressed. Cowards and pampered hypocrites.

School shootings that are terroristic in nature make the headlines pretty much regardless of the socioeconomic background of the victims. They just make for better stories than your typical crime (remember the Dylann Roof incident?). If the amount of attention stories received actually reflected their intrinsic importance the news would look very different across the board. I think the disparate response has less to do with the fact that people are "pampared hypocrites" and more to do with the fact that people are more interested in being entertained by the news than they are in using it to inform themselves about issues that matter. That's not to say that the phenomenon you describe doesn't happen (a murder in the Upper East Side of Manhattan is bound to receive more airtime than a murder in the Bronx, partly because it's a rarer event and partly because the victim is probably of higher status..."somewhere important is under attack" vs "poor people died whatever"). If the news covered stories in order of their importance, the Chicago crime problem would probably be ignored entirely and we'd spend half our time talking about global warming or something.
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6/1/2016 8:58:19 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 8:40:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/1/2016 7:32:33 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:55:27 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
http://www.latimes.com...

Gunshots were heard, and two people died, one of whom may have been the murderer.

Sh!t like this pisses me off. We have people dropping like flies every day in crime-heavy Chicago neighborhoods, but a gun goes off on a university campus and the entire police force shuts down the city. Do you hear a peep out of liberals then, who are apparently so concerned about privilege and oppression? When society has such a grotesquely disparate response to violence targeting one socioeconomic group, but that group happens to be bourgeois college students, they suddenly aren't so strident any more. If we lived in an equitable society, nobody would bat an eye at mass shootings until the real gun violence problems (50% of which are suicides, the rest of which are overwhelmingly murders with handguns) were addressed. Cowards and pampered hypocrites.

School shootings that are terroristic in nature make the headlines pretty much regardless of the socioeconomic background of the victims. They just make for better stories than your typical crime (remember the Dylann Roof incident?). If the amount of attention stories received actually reflected their intrinsic importance the news would look very different across the board. I think the disparate response has less to do with the fact that people are "pampared hypocrites" and more to do with the fact that people are more interested in being entertained by the news than they are in using it to inform themselves about issues that matter. That's not to say that the phenomenon you describe doesn't happen (a murder in the Upper East Side of Manhattan is bound to receive more airtime than a murder in the Bronx, partly because it's a rarer event and partly because the victim is probably of higher status..."somewhere important is under attack" vs "poor people died whatever"). If the news covered stories in order of their importance, the Chicago crime problem would probably be ignored entirely and we'd spend half our time talking about global warming or something.

I was more pissed off about the ridiculously disproportionate police response, no doubt prompted by the hand-wringing of the affluent.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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6/2/2016 1:56:29 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/1/2016 8:40:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/1/2016 7:32:33 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:55:27 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
http://www.latimes.com...

Gunshots were heard, and two people died, one of whom may have been the murderer.

Sh!t like this pisses me off. We have people dropping like flies every day in crime-heavy Chicago neighborhoods, but a gun goes off on a university campus and the entire police force shuts down the city. Do you hear a peep out of liberals then, who are apparently so concerned about privilege and oppression? When society has such a grotesquely disparate response to violence targeting one socioeconomic group, but that group happens to be bourgeois college students, they suddenly aren't so strident any more. If we lived in an equitable society, nobody would bat an eye at mass shootings until the real gun violence problems (50% of which are suicides, the rest of which are overwhelmingly murders with handguns) were addressed. Cowards and pampered hypocrites.

School shootings that are terroristic in nature make the headlines pretty much regardless of the socioeconomic background of the victims. They just make for better stories than your typical crime (remember the Dylann Roof incident?). If the amount of attention stories received actually reflected their intrinsic importance the news would look very different across the board.
Lol I only knew because about it because a UCLA friend posted about it on Facebook... I googled the news story afterwards.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
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6/2/2016 6:01:13 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/2/2016 1:56:29 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/1/2016 8:40:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/1/2016 7:32:33 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:55:27 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
http://www.latimes.com...

Gunshots were heard, and two people died, one of whom may have been the murderer.

Sh!t like this pisses me off. We have people dropping like flies every day in crime-heavy Chicago neighborhoods, but a gun goes off on a university campus and the entire police force shuts down the city. Do you hear a peep out of liberals then, who are apparently so concerned about privilege and oppression? When society has such a grotesquely disparate response to violence targeting one socioeconomic group, but that group happens to be bourgeois college students, they suddenly aren't so strident any more. If we lived in an equitable society, nobody would bat an eye at mass shootings until the real gun violence problems (50% of which are suicides, the rest of which are overwhelmingly murders with handguns) were addressed. Cowards and pampered hypocrites.

School shootings that are terroristic in nature make the headlines pretty much regardless of the socioeconomic background of the victims. They just make for better stories than your typical crime (remember the Dylann Roof incident?). If the amount of attention stories received actually reflected their intrinsic importance the news would look very different across the board.
Lol I only knew because about it because a UCLA friend posted about it on Facebook... I googled the news story afterwards.

Is your point that the news don't focus on stories like these, or that you don't pay attention to them?
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6/3/2016 1:18:24 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/2/2016 6:01:13 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/2/2016 1:56:29 AM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
At 6/1/2016 8:40:31 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 6/1/2016 7:32:33 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 6/1/2016 6:55:27 PM, Diqiucun_Cunmin wrote:
http://www.latimes.com...

Gunshots were heard, and two people died, one of whom may have been the murderer.

Sh!t like this pisses me off. We have people dropping like flies every day in crime-heavy Chicago neighborhoods, but a gun goes off on a university campus and the entire police force shuts down the city. Do you hear a peep out of liberals then, who are apparently so concerned about privilege and oppression? When society has such a grotesquely disparate response to violence targeting one socioeconomic group, but that group happens to be bourgeois college students, they suddenly aren't so strident any more. If we lived in an equitable society, nobody would bat an eye at mass shootings until the real gun violence problems (50% of which are suicides, the rest of which are overwhelmingly murders with handguns) were addressed. Cowards and pampered hypocrites.

School shootings that are terroristic in nature make the headlines pretty much regardless of the socioeconomic background of the victims. They just make for better stories than your typical crime (remember the Dylann Roof incident?). If the amount of attention stories received actually reflected their intrinsic importance the news would look very different across the board.
Lol I only knew because about it because a UCLA friend posted about it on Facebook... I googled the news story afterwards.

Is your point that the news don't focus on stories like these, or that you don't pay attention to them?

My point was that I can't tell if the news focused on them, and that my posting this was not motivated by the news focusing on them.
The thing is, I hate relativism. I hate relativism more than I hate everything else, excepting, maybe, fibreglass powerboats... What it overlooks, to put it briefly and crudely, is the fixed structure of human nature. - Jerry Fodor

Don't be a stat cynic:
http://www.debate.org...

Response to conservative views on deforestation:
http://www.debate.org...

Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com...