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6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM Posted: 1 year ago I found this last week and I was supposed to put it here before, but forgot. Now that I'm reminded, what do you guys think about this? Thoughts on this?
Are labels necessary? Are they bad? Would the world be better and more peaceful if we weren't separated by labels? Solonkr~ I don't care about whether an ideology is "necessary" or not, I care about how to solve problems, which is what everyone else should also care about. Ken~ In essence, the world is fucked up and you can either ignore it, become cynical or bitter about it. Deep down, we're all dumbassses who act like shittheads Me~ "BAILEY + SOLON = SAILEY MY SHIP SAILEY MUST SAIL" SCREW THAT SHIZ #BANNIE = BAILEY & ANNIE P.S. Shipped Sailey before it was cannon bitches. |
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6/5/2016 2:42:09 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote: Your race should not be something that defines who you are and how you should act. It should be allowed to be stated but not in a way of superiority. Like MLK said judgement should be on the content of someone's character not their race. The only thing bringing race into topics does is perpetuate discrimination off of it, it should not define someone. |
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6/5/2016 2:56:31 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:The story of my life and the philosophy that I raised my mixed kids with. We are a living example of breaking the mold of labels. |
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6/5/2016 2:57:16 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote: The video may be more relevant for multicultural societies like the US, because removing labels and the attitudes behind them can to some extent enhance social cohesion and social harmony. In relatively homogeneous societies, like the one I live in, labels are highly beneficial, as they promote unity and will also be helpful for mobilisation in times of need. I think it is well established that the only reason aliens come to earth is to slice up cows and examine inside peoples' bottoms. Unless you are a cow or suffer haemerrhoids I don't think there is anything to worry about from aliens. - keithprosser Don't be a stat cynic: http://www.debate.org... Response to conservative views on deforestation: http://www.debate.org... Topics I'd like to debate (not debating ATM): http://tinyurl.com... |
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6/5/2016 3:02:05 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 2:42:09 AM, Fernyx wrote:At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote: But race isn't even a scientific construction |
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6/5/2016 3:12:11 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote: The fact that there are people who take into consideration makes it worthy of being taken into consideration. "See now Oblivion shimmering all around us, its very tranquility deadlier than tempest. How little all our keels have troubled it." - Lord Dunsany - "Over her head the stars, the thoughts of God in the heavens, Shone on the eyes of man, who had ceased to marvel and worship" - Henry Longfellow - "We enjoy, we see nothing by direct vision; but only by reflection, and in anatomical dismemberment." - Thomas Carlyle - |
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6/5/2016 3:20:02 AM Posted: 1 year ago We need labels, how else can we describe people? What is a cop supposed to yell into his walkie when pursuing a suspect?
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6/5/2016 3:32:11 AM Posted: 1 year ago There are labels that we do not need and are generally misleading. Feminists often claim they want social equality, when feminism by definition and based off their writings believe in female supremacy generally. Egalitarians are often labeled as feminists. Other than that, positions on social issues are always divided in the U.S as liberal/conservative, when these claims are meant to refer to positions on economic issues, taxation, adn social support.
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6/5/2016 3:35:29 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote: http://www.debate.org... http://www.debate.org... http://www.debate.org... "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." - Frederick Douglass http://gotejas.com... |
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6/5/2016 4:13:46 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:They describe facts. They are informative and we're better off with having them around. Are they bad?No. Would the world be better and more peaceful if we weren't separated by labels?No. It'd be worse. #GaryJohnson2016 #TaxationisTheft #TheftisTaxation |
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6/5/2016 4:22:38 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote: That video was pretty tough to watch since it was inherently pointless. Let's break down the logic. Is calling myself Indian an example of using a made-up label? No, I'm Indian because that's where I was born. Am I called brown because that's a made-up label? No, I'm called brown because my skin is quite literally brown. See this is the kind of logic from which stems the idea that factually describing people is somehow racist or derogatory or false. #GaryJohnson2016 #TaxationisTheft #TheftisTaxation |
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6/5/2016 4:30:43 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 3:20:02 AM, Wylted wrote: Quick! Get the human dresses in clothes! If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist. |
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6/5/2016 4:32:01 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote: Considering we are the law givers of the universe, yes, labels are necessary. The only people that hate the concept of race are those who belong to a race that has contributed little to nothing to humanity and has a history of savagery or Communists. A person with black skin is a black person, regardless of how stupid (for example the moron in that video). If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist. |
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6/5/2016 4:32:04 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 3:20:02 AM, Wylted wrote: "Police are searching for a 2 legged humanoid with a torso, one head, and 2 arms." ^This is the progress SJWs want. #GaryJohnson2016 #TaxationisTheft #TheftisTaxation |
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6/5/2016 4:33:00 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 4:22:38 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote: But muh labelz If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist. |
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6/5/2016 4:34:17 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 4:33:00 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:At 6/5/2016 4:22:38 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote: Please save me from the oppression of the white man. #Whiteprivilege #GaryJohnson2016 #TaxationisTheft #TheftisTaxation |
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6/5/2016 4:42:36 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 4:22:38 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote: But Latinos are referred to as "brown" even though many of them are beige. Asians (meaning those who descend from China, Japan, Philippines etc). These are false labels based on old Eurocentric categories of foreign people. |
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6/5/2016 4:44:15 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 4:32:01 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:Your a dumba$$ - my family is tri racial - and the only race I cringe to mention being is white.At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote: |
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6/5/2016 4:45:16 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 4:42:36 AM, Hiu wrote:Beige? This is new... I've never heard a latino person referred to as brown. I fail to see the relevance of this. So someone makes a mistake, just correct them and move on. Asians (meaning those who descend from China, Japan, Philippines etc). These are false labels based on old Eurocentric categories of foreign people. Please explain how calling someone from Asia an Asian is false. #GaryJohnson2016 #TaxationisTheft #TheftisTaxation |
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6/5/2016 4:52:49 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 4:45:16 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:At 6/5/2016 4:42:36 AM, Hiu wrote:Beige? This is new... I've never heard a latino person referred to as brown. re-read the parenthesis I made specific because "orientals" were considered "yellow" and that is not true for everyone of "Asian" descent. |
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6/5/2016 4:55:47 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 4:44:15 AM, Emmarie wrote: Why?? #GaryJohnson2016 #TaxationisTheft #TheftisTaxation |
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6/5/2016 4:56:35 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 4:52:49 AM, Hiu wrote:At 6/5/2016 4:45:16 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:At 6/5/2016 4:42:36 AM, Hiu wrote:Beige? This is new... I've never heard a latino person referred to as brown. You made no mention of orientals or the term "yellow" in your previous reply. #GaryJohnson2016 #TaxationisTheft #TheftisTaxation |
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6/5/2016 5:06:24 AM Posted: 1 year ago Wow this was a dumb video. Like REALLY dumb. Also LOL at race being "invented in the 15th century"
Humans are inherently tribal and group oriented, trying to strip people of the group identities that bubble up organically only forces them to create labels of their own that are always more stupid, arbitrary, and toxic. The average black person on the street would absolutely identify as black, as they should. Getting real sick of this nihilistic tendency on the left. I wanted to write more about this video and why it is stupid but it doesn't even make an argument....what is there to say? It's a bunch of wishy-washy bullsh1t designed only to be shared on Facebook DDO Vice President #StandwithBossy #UnbanTheMadman #BetOnThett "Don't quote me, ever." -Max "My name is max. I'm not a big fan of slacks"- Max rapping "Walmart should have the opportunity to bribe a politician to it's agenda" -Max "Thett, you're really good at convincing people you're a decent person"-tulle "You fit the character of Regina George quite nicely"- Sam : At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote: : thett was right |
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6/5/2016 5:31:27 AM Posted: 1 year ago Stereotypes allow us to conceptualize society to a very basic form of understanding. It's how blacks and asians are defined. They don't apply universally, but they do allow a certain level of "understanding", albeit a bit misleading. Grouping is necessary so no offence, I'd rather live with some than none. It is completely impractical to have me shift through your identity when I have other matters to deal with. I don't think anyone can minimize and eradicate the ripples that they create so why bother taking steps to minimize them.
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6/5/2016 6:00:34 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:some are, some aren't. regarding racial ones: in a world were humans are by nature tribal - that is, the world we live in - yes Are they bad?they can be. Would the world be better and more peaceful if we weren't separated by labels?depends on how such an arrangement were to be executed. I doubt it. Ego sum qui sum. Deus lo vult. "America is ungovernable; those who served the revolution have plowed the sea." - Simon Bolivar "A healthy nation is as unconscious of its nationality as a healthy man of his bones. But if you break a nation's nationality it will think of nothing else but getting it set again." - George Bernard Shaw |
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6/5/2016 6:01:21 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 3:02:05 AM, Hiu wrote:it's socio-verbal shorthand for a given, genetically distinct population. sounds good enough to me. Ego sum qui sum. Deus lo vult. "America is ungovernable; those who served the revolution have plowed the sea." - Simon Bolivar "A healthy nation is as unconscious of its nationality as a healthy man of his bones. But if you break a nation's nationality it will think of nothing else but getting it set again." - George Bernard Shaw |
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6/5/2016 6:29:57 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 6:01:21 AM, someloser wrote:At 6/5/2016 3:02:05 AM, Hiu wrote:it's socio-verbal shorthand for a given, genetically distinct population. but humans are not that distinct genetically |
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6/5/2016 6:32:14 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 6:29:57 AM, Hiu wrote:"that distinct" being?At 6/5/2016 6:01:21 AM, someloser wrote:At 6/5/2016 3:02:05 AM, Hiu wrote:it's socio-verbal shorthand for a given, genetically distinct population. they are enough to be distinguishable on the basis of phenotype... to the point it can be used as a near-perfect proxy for said distinction. Ego sum qui sum. Deus lo vult. "America is ungovernable; those who served the revolution have plowed the sea." - Simon Bolivar "A healthy nation is as unconscious of its nationality as a healthy man of his bones. But if you break a nation's nationality it will think of nothing else but getting it set again." - George Bernard Shaw |
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6/5/2016 6:44:57 AM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 4:56:35 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:At 6/5/2016 4:52:49 AM, Hiu wrote:At 6/5/2016 4:45:16 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:At 6/5/2016 4:42:36 AM, Hiu wrote:Beige? This is new... I've never heard a latino person referred to as brown. I try to refrain from saying oriental which is why I used the parenthesis. I didn't mention Asians being considered yellow was because I wanted to make that distinction from Asians like Indians, Iranians, Pakistanis. |
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6/5/2016 1:42:06 PM Posted: 1 year ago At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote: Some labels are good, some labels are bad. This is sort of common sense. You can't deny you are black, when you are black. |