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6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
I found this last week and I was supposed to put it here before, but forgot. Now that I'm reminded, what do you guys think about this? Thoughts on this?

Are labels necessary?
Are they bad?

Would the world be better and more peaceful if we weren't separated by labels?
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6/5/2016 2:42:09 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
I found this last week and I was supposed to put it here before, but forgot. Now that I'm reminded, what do you guys think about this? Thoughts on this?

Are labels necessary?
Are they bad?

Would the world be better and more peaceful if we weren't separated by labels?



Your race should not be something that defines who you are and how you should act. It should be allowed to be stated but not in a way of superiority. Like MLK said judgement should be on the content of someone's character not their race. The only thing bringing race into topics does is perpetuate discrimination off of it, it should not define someone.
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6/5/2016 2:56:31 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
I found this last week and I was supposed to put it here before, but forgot. Now that I'm reminded, what do you guys think about this? Thoughts on this?

Are labels necessary?
Are they bad?

Would the world be better and more peaceful if we weren't separated by labels?


The story of my life and the philosophy that I raised my mixed kids with. We are a living example of breaking the mold of labels.
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6/5/2016 2:57:16 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
I found this last week and I was supposed to put it here before, but forgot. Now that I'm reminded, what do you guys think about this? Thoughts on this?

Are labels necessary?
Are they bad?

Would the world be better and more peaceful if we weren't separated by labels?



The video may be more relevant for multicultural societies like the US, because removing labels and the attitudes behind them can to some extent enhance social cohesion and social harmony. In relatively homogeneous societies, like the one I live in, labels are highly beneficial, as they promote unity and will also be helpful for mobilisation in times of need.
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6/5/2016 3:02:05 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:42:09 AM, Fernyx wrote:
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
I found this last week and I was supposed to put it here before, but forgot. Now that I'm reminded, what do you guys think about this? Thoughts on this?

Are labels necessary?
Are they bad?

Would the world be better and more peaceful if we weren't separated by labels?



Your race should not be something that defines who you are and how you should act. It should be allowed to be stated but not in a way of superiority. Like MLK said judgement should be on the content of someone's character not their race. The only thing bringing race into topics does is perpetuate discrimination off of it, it should not define someone.

But race isn't even a scientific construction
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6/5/2016 3:12:11 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
I found this last week and I was supposed to put it here before, but forgot. Now that I'm reminded, what do you guys think about this? Thoughts on this?

Are labels necessary?
Are they bad?

Would the world be better and more peaceful if we weren't separated by labels?



The fact that there are people who take into consideration makes it worthy of being taken into consideration.
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6/5/2016 3:20:02 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
We need labels, how else can we describe people? What is a cop supposed to yell into his walkie when pursuing a suspect?
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6/5/2016 3:32:11 AM
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There are labels that we do not need and are generally misleading. Feminists often claim they want social equality, when feminism by definition and based off their writings believe in female supremacy generally. Egalitarians are often labeled as feminists. Other than that, positions on social issues are always divided in the U.S as liberal/conservative, when these claims are meant to refer to positions on economic issues, taxation, adn social support.
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6/5/2016 3:35:29 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:

http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...
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6/5/2016 4:13:46 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
Are labels necessary?
They describe facts. They are informative and we're better off with having them around.
Are they bad?
No.
Would the world be better and more peaceful if we weren't separated by labels?
No. It'd be worse.
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6/5/2016 4:22:38 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:

That video was pretty tough to watch since it was inherently pointless.

Let's break down the logic.

Is calling myself Indian an example of using a made-up label?

No, I'm Indian because that's where I was born.

Am I called brown because that's a made-up label?

No, I'm called brown because my skin is quite literally brown.

See this is the kind of logic from which stems the idea that factually describing people is somehow racist or derogatory or false.
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6/5/2016 4:30:43 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 3:20:02 AM, Wylted wrote:
We need labels, how else can we describe people? What is a cop supposed to yell into his walkie when pursuing a suspect?

Quick! Get the human dresses in clothes!
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6/5/2016 4:32:01 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
I found this last week and I was supposed to put it here before, but forgot. Now that I'm reminded, what do you guys think about this? Thoughts on this?

Are labels necessary?
Are they bad?

Would the world be better and more peaceful if we weren't separated by labels?



Considering we are the law givers of the universe, yes, labels are necessary.

The only people that hate the concept of race are those who belong to a race that has contributed little to nothing to humanity and has a history of savagery or Communists.

A person with black skin is a black person, regardless of how stupid (for example the moron in that video).
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/5/2016 4:32:04 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 3:20:02 AM, Wylted wrote:
We need labels, how else can we describe people? What is a cop supposed to yell into his walkie when pursuing a suspect?

"Police are searching for a 2 legged humanoid with a torso, one head, and 2 arms."

^This is the progress SJWs want.
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6/5/2016 4:33:00 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 4:22:38 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:

That video was pretty tough to watch since it was inherently pointless.

Let's break down the logic.

Is calling myself Indian an example of using a made-up label?

No, I'm Indian because that's where I was born.

Am I called brown because that's a made-up label?

No, I'm called brown because my skin is quite literally brown.

See this is the kind of logic from which stems the idea that factually describing people is somehow racist or derogatory or false.

But muh labelz
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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6/5/2016 4:34:17 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 4:33:00 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:22:38 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:

That video was pretty tough to watch since it was inherently pointless.

Let's break down the logic.

Is calling myself Indian an example of using a made-up label?

No, I'm Indian because that's where I was born.

Am I called brown because that's a made-up label?

No, I'm called brown because my skin is quite literally brown.

See this is the kind of logic from which stems the idea that factually describing people is somehow racist or derogatory or false.

But muh labelz

Please save me from the oppression of the white man.

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6/5/2016 4:42:36 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 4:22:38 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:

That video was pretty tough to watch since it was inherently pointless.

Let's break down the logic.

Is calling myself Indian an example of using a made-up label?

No, I'm Indian because that's where I was born.

Am I called brown because that's a made-up label?

No, I'm called brown because my skin is quite literally brown.

See this is the kind of logic from which stems the idea that factually describing people is somehow racist or derogatory or false.

But Latinos are referred to as "brown" even though many of them are beige. Asians (meaning those who descend from China, Japan, Philippines etc). These are false labels based on old Eurocentric categories of foreign people.
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6/5/2016 4:44:15 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 4:32:01 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
I found this last week and I was supposed to put it here before, but forgot. Now that I'm reminded, what do you guys think about this? Thoughts on this?

Are labels necessary?
Are they bad?

Would the world be better and more peaceful if we weren't separated by labels?



Considering we are the law givers of the universe, yes, labels are necessary.

The only people that hate the concept of race are those who belong to a race that has contributed little to nothing to humanity and has a history of savagery or Communists.

A person with black skin is a black person, regardless of how stupid (for example the moron in that video).
Your a dumba$$ - my family is tri racial - and the only race I cringe to mention being is white.
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6/5/2016 4:45:16 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 4:42:36 AM, Hiu wrote:
But Latinos are referred to as "brown" even though many of them are beige.
Beige? This is new... I've never heard a latino person referred to as brown.

I fail to see the relevance of this. So someone makes a mistake, just correct them and move on.

Asians (meaning those who descend from China, Japan, Philippines etc). These are false labels based on old Eurocentric categories of foreign people.

Please explain how calling someone from Asia an Asian is false.
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6/5/2016 4:52:49 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 4:45:16 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:42:36 AM, Hiu wrote:
But Latinos are referred to as "brown" even though many of them are beige.
Beige? This is new... I've never heard a latino person referred to as brown.

I fail to see the relevance of this. So someone makes a mistake, just correct them and move on.

Asians (meaning those who descend from China, Japan, Philippines etc). These are false labels based on old Eurocentric categories of foreign people.

Please explain how calling someone from Asia an Asian is false.

re-read the parenthesis I made specific because "orientals" were considered "yellow" and that is not true for everyone of "Asian" descent.
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6/5/2016 4:55:47 AM
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At 6/5/2016 4:44:15 AM, Emmarie wrote:
the only race I cringe to mention being is white.

Why??
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6/5/2016 4:56:35 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 4:52:49 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:45:16 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:42:36 AM, Hiu wrote:
But Latinos are referred to as "brown" even though many of them are beige.
Beige? This is new... I've never heard a latino person referred to as brown.

I fail to see the relevance of this. So someone makes a mistake, just correct them and move on.

Asians (meaning those who descend from China, Japan, Philippines etc). These are false labels based on old Eurocentric categories of foreign people.

Please explain how calling someone from Asia an Asian is false.

re-read the parenthesis I made specific because "orientals" were considered "yellow" and that is not true for everyone of "Asian" descent.

You made no mention of orientals or the term "yellow" in your previous reply.
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6/5/2016 5:06:24 AM
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Wow this was a dumb video. Like REALLY dumb. Also LOL at race being "invented in the 15th century"

Humans are inherently tribal and group oriented, trying to strip people of the group identities that bubble up organically only forces them to create labels of their own that are always more stupid, arbitrary, and toxic. The average black person on the street would absolutely identify as black, as they should.

Getting real sick of this nihilistic tendency on the left. I wanted to write more about this video and why it is stupid but it doesn't even make an argument....what is there to say? It's a bunch of wishy-washy bullsh1t designed only to be shared on Facebook
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6/5/2016 5:31:27 AM
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Stereotypes allow us to conceptualize society to a very basic form of understanding. It's how blacks and asians are defined. They don't apply universally, but they do allow a certain level of "understanding", albeit a bit misleading. Grouping is necessary so no offence, I'd rather live with some than none. It is completely impractical to have me shift through your identity when I have other matters to deal with. I don't think anyone can minimize and eradicate the ripples that they create so why bother taking steps to minimize them.
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6/5/2016 6:00:34 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
I found this last week and I was supposed to put it here before, but forgot. Now that I'm reminded, what do you guys think about this? Thoughts on this?

Are labels necessary?
some are, some aren't.

regarding racial ones: in a world were humans are by nature tribal - that is, the world we live in - yes

Are they bad?
they can be.

Would the world be better and more peaceful if we weren't separated by labels?
depends on how such an arrangement were to be executed. I doubt it.
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6/5/2016 6:01:21 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 3:02:05 AM, Hiu wrote:
But race isn't even a scientific construction
it's socio-verbal shorthand for a given, genetically distinct population.

sounds good enough to me.
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"A healthy nation is as unconscious of its nationality as a healthy man of his bones. But if you break a nation's nationality it will think of nothing else but getting it set again." - George Bernard Shaw
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6/5/2016 6:29:57 AM
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At 6/5/2016 6:01:21 AM, someloser wrote:
At 6/5/2016 3:02:05 AM, Hiu wrote:
But race isn't even a scientific construction
it's socio-verbal shorthand for a given, genetically distinct population.

sounds good enough to me.

but humans are not that distinct genetically
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6/5/2016 6:32:14 AM
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At 6/5/2016 6:29:57 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 6/5/2016 6:01:21 AM, someloser wrote:
At 6/5/2016 3:02:05 AM, Hiu wrote:
But race isn't even a scientific construction
it's socio-verbal shorthand for a given, genetically distinct population.

sounds good enough to me.

but humans are not that distinct genetically
"that distinct" being?

they are enough to be distinguishable on the basis of phenotype... to the point it can be used as a near-perfect proxy for said distinction.
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6/5/2016 6:44:57 AM
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At 6/5/2016 4:56:35 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:52:49 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:45:16 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 6/5/2016 4:42:36 AM, Hiu wrote:
But Latinos are referred to as "brown" even though many of them are beige.
Beige? This is new... I've never heard a latino person referred to as brown.

I fail to see the relevance of this. So someone makes a mistake, just correct them and move on.

Asians (meaning those who descend from China, Japan, Philippines etc). These are false labels based on old Eurocentric categories of foreign people.

Please explain how calling someone from Asia an Asian is false.

re-read the parenthesis I made specific because "orientals" were considered "yellow" and that is not true for everyone of "Asian" descent.

You made no mention of orientals or the term "yellow" in your previous reply.

I try to refrain from saying oriental which is why I used the parenthesis. I didn't mention Asians being considered yellow was because I wanted to make that distinction from Asians like Indians, Iranians, Pakistanis.
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6/5/2016 1:42:06 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/5/2016 2:29:32 AM, ESocialBookworm wrote:
I found this last week and I was supposed to put it here before, but forgot. Now that I'm reminded, what do you guys think about this? Thoughts on this?

Are labels necessary?
Are they bad?

Would the world be better and more peaceful if we weren't separated by labels?



Some labels are good, some labels are bad. This is sort of common sense. You can't deny you are black, when you are black.
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