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PetersSmith
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6/10/2016 4:41:03 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
http://www.latimes.com...

California is now the 5th state in the US to institute the "right to die" law, which allows physicians to prescribe medicines to terminally ill patients to hasten their deaths. Opponents are suing to overturn the law as unconstitutional because it denies terminally ill patients protections afforded other citizens. Proponents typically associate the right to die with the idea that one's body and one's life are one's own, to dispose of as one sees fit. However, a legitimate state interest in preventing irrational suicides is sometimes argued. Pilpel and Amsel write, "Contemporary proponents of 'rational suicide' or the 'right to die' usually demand by 'rationality' that the decision to kill oneself be both the autonomous choice of the agent (i.e., not due to the physician or the family pressuring them to 'do the right thing' and commit suicide) and a 'best option under the circumstances' choice desired by the stoics or utilitarians, as well as other natural conditions such as the choice being stable, not an impulsive decision, not due to mental illness, achieved after due deliberation, etc." (http://www.avitalpilpel.com...)

So, what's your opinion on this matter? California is a very large state and also a very influential one in US elections. Do you think that other states are going to make the same decision, and eventually force the US government to legalize euthanasia, and in effect make the "right to die" a constitutional right? Where do you think the limits should be placed (IE should it only apply to terminally ill patients)? Discuss.
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6/10/2016 4:52:26 AM
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Okay, if it's terminally ill people I have less of a problem with it.
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6/10/2016 8:18:38 AM
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Each generation is slightly more liberal than the previous one. This has resulted in the gradual adoption of more libertarian social policies like this one and marriage equality laws. It is inevitable that this law will be passed universally.
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6/10/2016 4:54:48 PM
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"Contemporary proponents of 'rational suicide' or the 'right to die' usually demand by 'rationality' that the decision to kill oneself be both the autonomous choice of the agent (i.e., not due to the physician or the family pressuring them to 'do the right thing' and commit suicide) and a 'best option under the circumstances' choice desired by the stoics or utilitarians, as well as other natural conditions such as the choice being stable, not an impulsive decision, not due to mental illness, achieved after due deliberation, etc."

I support euthanasia, but I would consider the checks and balace outlined above are a 'sine qua non'. There are a few details of the law I might quibble with. I dont see the need for a six month limit and it doesn't seem to allow for the withdrawl of treatment.

In more general terms, I thnk we can expect euthanasia to be legalised more widely but I doubt if California's example specifically will be a big factor - euthanasia's time has come.
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6/10/2016 5:07:47 PM
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it's the beginning of the end for the people's republic of california.

https://www.theguardian.com...

"In 30 years Holland has moved from assisted suicide to euthanasia, from euthanasia of people who are terminally ill to euthanasia of those who are chronically ill, from euthanasia for physical illness to euthanasia for mental illness, from euthanasia for mental illness to euthanasia for psychological distress or mental suffering, and from voluntary euthanasia to involuntary euthanasia or as the Dutch prefer to call it 'termination of the patient without explicit request'."
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6/11/2016 3:05:23 AM
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At 6/10/2016 5:07:47 PM, someloser wrote:
it's the beginning of the end for the people's republic of california.

https://www.theguardian.com...

"In 30 years Holland has moved from assisted suicide to euthanasia, from euthanasia of people who are terminally ill to euthanasia of those who are chronically ill, from euthanasia for physical illness to euthanasia for mental illness, from euthanasia for mental illness to euthanasia for psychological distress or mental suffering, and from voluntary euthanasia to involuntary euthanasia or as the Dutch prefer to call it 'termination of the patient without explicit request'."

How?
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6/11/2016 3:47:23 AM
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It's a personal choice, and if the person elects to do it, under a sound mental capasity (or legal note or other things) it should be legal.
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6/11/2016 6:54:20 PM
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At 6/10/2016 4:41:03 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
http://www.latimes.com...

California is now the 5th state in the US to institute the "right to die" law, which allows physicians to prescribe medicines to terminally ill patients to hasten their deaths. Opponents are suing to overturn the law as unconstitutional because it denies terminally ill patients protections afforded other citizens. Proponents typically associate the right to die with the idea that one's body and one's life are one's own, to dispose of as one sees fit. However, a legitimate state interest in preventing irrational suicides is sometimes argued. Pilpel and Amsel write, "Contemporary proponents of 'rational suicide' or the 'right to die' usually demand by 'rationality' that the decision to kill oneself be both the autonomous choice of the agent (i.e., not due to the physician or the family pressuring them to 'do the right thing' and commit suicide) and a 'best option under the circumstances' choice desired by the stoics or utilitarians, as well as other natural conditions such as the choice being stable, not an impulsive decision, not due to mental illness, achieved after due deliberation, etc." (http://www.avitalpilpel.com...)

So, what's your opinion on this matter? California is a very large state and also a very influential one in US elections. Do you think that other states are going to make the same decision, and eventually force the US government to legalize euthanasia, and in effect make the "right to die" a constitutional right? Where do you think the limits should be placed (IE should it only apply to terminally ill patients)? Discuss.

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TL;DR - It's morally acceptable, hence I am pleased to see that they've legalized it.
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6/11/2016 7:27:19 PM
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I think it was a good idea. If they choose not to live, that's their decision, especially when they are mortally ill.
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