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7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!
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7/10/2016 9:55:57 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

Firearms ought to be banned for civilian use
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7/10/2016 11:51:46 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/10/2016 9:55:57 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

Firearms ought to be banned for civilian use

All firearms? I probably wouldn't go so far as that.
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7/10/2016 11:57:12 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

What does the 2nd amendment & support for the troops have to with the police shootings and the Dallas tragedy?
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7/11/2016 12:14:56 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/10/2016 11:51:46 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/10/2016 9:55:57 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

Firearms ought to be banned for civilian use

All firearms? I probably wouldn't go so far as that.

Yup, all of them
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7/11/2016 12:34:30 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/11/2016 12:14:56 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 7/10/2016 11:51:46 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/10/2016 9:55:57 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

Firearms ought to be banned for civilian use

All firearms? I probably wouldn't go so far as that.

Yup, all of them

So then... we would end up like England where violent crime and shootings skyrocketed after guns were banned? Screw thatnoise... we have a second amendment to protect us from government tyranny for a reason.
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7/11/2016 1:00:23 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/11/2016 12:34:30 AM, Mr.Wonderful wrote:
At 7/11/2016 12:14:56 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 7/10/2016 11:51:46 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/10/2016 9:55:57 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

Firearms ought to be banned for civilian use

All firearms? I probably wouldn't go so far as that.

Yup, all of them

So then... we would end up like England where violent crime and shootings skyrocketed after guns were banned? Screw thatnoise... we have a second amendment to protect us from government tyranny for a reason.

Or how it decreased gun crime by 53%
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In regards to government tyranny, we already have an advanced system of checks and balances that ensure that the government does not become a tyranny, as well as the UN, seperation of powers, etc.

And even if the government became a tyranny, would the American people, with our rifles and handguns stand a chance against the missiles, nukes, tanks, airforce, navy, etc. of the US Army? No, it would just lead to more lives lost.
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7/11/2016 1:15:28 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
Certainly ban all hand guns. Hand guns can't be used for anything except killing people. In In fact anything except a genuine single shot hunting rifles can go and they must be kept in a case that prevents loading and firing except in designated hunting areas. No one needs a gun in the city.
An effectively complete ban on guns is easy to enforce - anyone with gun is breaking the law with no gray area.
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7/11/2016 3:32:19 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/10/2016 11:57:12 PM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

What does the 2nd amendment & support for the troops have to with the police shootings and the Dallas tragedy?

The NRA is always going on about how the reason we need gun rights is so that good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. In Dallas, we saw exactly how effective that was. The "good cops" were all armed and still got their butts handed to them.

Not sure why Dallas, a city full of gun enthusiasts, didn't have any vigilante heroes to defend the incompetent cops.

I've also heard many conservatives say that everyone should support our troops, because they are heroes. Micah Xavier Johnson was a member of the military, so according to their logic he is a hero and we should support him.
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7/11/2016 3:53:41 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/11/2016 3:32:19 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/10/2016 11:57:12 PM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

What does the 2nd amendment & support for the troops have to with the police shootings and the Dallas tragedy?

The NRA is always going on about how the reason we need gun rights is so that good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. In Dallas, we saw exactly how effective that was. The "good cops" were all armed and still got their butts handed to them.

Not sure why Dallas, a city full of gun enthusiasts, didn't have any vigilante heroes to defend the incompetent cops.

I think fairly decent arguments can be made that arming "good guys" is not necessarily the best solution... but this isn't that argument. Both sides of the this debate can dig through the data and find individual cases that support their position.
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7/11/2016 10:57:51 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/11/2016 3:53:41 AM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:32:19 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/10/2016 11:57:12 PM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

What does the 2nd amendment & support for the troops have to with the police shootings and the Dallas tragedy?

The NRA is always going on about how the reason we need gun rights is so that good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. In Dallas, we saw exactly how effective that was. The "good cops" were all armed and still got their butts handed to them.

Not sure why Dallas, a city full of gun enthusiasts, didn't have any vigilante heroes to defend the incompetent cops.

I think fairly decent arguments can be made that arming "good guys" is not necessarily the best solution... but this isn't that argument. Both sides of the this debate can dig through the data and find individual cases that support their position.

Why isn't this that argument? Do you think the Dallas shooter was a bad guy? If so, why wasn't he stopped by a good guy with a gun? There were plenty of them around.
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7/11/2016 11:21:49 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/11/2016 10:57:51 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:53:41 AM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:32:19 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/10/2016 11:57:12 PM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

What does the 2nd amendment & support for the troops have to with the police shootings and the Dallas tragedy?

The NRA is always going on about how the reason we need gun rights is so that good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. In Dallas, we saw exactly how effective that was. The "good cops" were all armed and still got their butts handed to them.

Not sure why Dallas, a city full of gun enthusiasts, didn't have any vigilante heroes to defend the incompetent cops.

I think fairly decent arguments can be made that arming "good guys" is not necessarily the best solution... but this isn't that argument. Both sides of the this debate can dig through the data and find individual cases that support their position.

Why isn't this that argument? Do you think the Dallas shooter was a bad guy? If so, why wasn't he stopped by a good guy with a gun? There were plenty of them around.

It is not a good argument because it is based on a single case. Do you think a gun advocate will have any trouble digging up a different case in which a "good guy with a gun" did intervene to successfully thwart a crime? No, such cases also exist. So do you win? Does he win? It is a draw? Or should we all seek better evidence to support our positions?

No matter what stance a person takes on such complex issues, it will always be possible to find individual cases to support their views.
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7/12/2016 2:23:15 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 7/11/2016 10:57:51 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:53:41 AM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:32:19 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/10/2016 11:57:12 PM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

What does the 2nd amendment & support for the troops have to with the police shootings and the Dallas tragedy?

The NRA is always going on about how the reason we need gun rights is so that good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. In Dallas, we saw exactly how effective that was. The "good cops" were all armed and still got their butts handed to them.

Not sure why Dallas, a city full of gun enthusiasts, didn't have any vigilante heroes to defend the incompetent cops.

I think fairly decent arguments can be made that arming "good guys" is not necessarily the best solution... but this isn't that argument. Both sides of the this debate can dig through the data and find individual cases that support their position.

Why isn't this that argument?

1) BLM/police brutality activists generally are of a liberal persuasion. This trends in the direction of not owning or carrying firearms.

2) The shootings occurred within walking distance of a community college, so assuming the demographic of young, politically minded adults, they (more than likely) might have come from college to the rally, meaning by law they were disarmed.

3) The shooter assumed tactics that showed more forethought than street crime specifically by making use of optics, range, distance, and surprise. The subject also specifically sought out to set up in a relatively unpopulated area.

Do you think the Dallas shooter was a bad guy? If so, why wasn't he stopped by a good guy with a gun? There were plenty of them around.

Ultimately he was, and "plenty of them around" doesn't have a reasonable grounding. The shooter was killed in the confines of the community college, meaning assuming the good guys wanted to remain "good" they were not allowed to carry.
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7/13/2016 1:32:18 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 11:21:49 PM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:57:51 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:53:41 AM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:32:19 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/10/2016 11:57:12 PM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

What does the 2nd amendment & support for the troops have to with the police shootings and the Dallas tragedy?

The NRA is always going on about how the reason we need gun rights is so that good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. In Dallas, we saw exactly how effective that was. The "good cops" were all armed and still got their butts handed to them.

Not sure why Dallas, a city full of gun enthusiasts, didn't have any vigilante heroes to defend the incompetent cops.

I think fairly decent arguments can be made that arming "good guys" is not necessarily the best solution... but this isn't that argument. Both sides of the this debate can dig through the data and find individual cases that support their position.

Why isn't this that argument? Do you think the Dallas shooter was a bad guy? If so, why wasn't he stopped by a good guy with a gun? There were plenty of them around.

It is not a good argument because it is based on a single case. Do you think a gun advocate will have any trouble digging up a different case in which a "good guy with a gun" did intervene to successfully thwart a crime? No, such cases also exist. So do you win? Does he win? It is a draw? Or should we all seek better evidence to support our positions?

No matter what stance a person takes on such complex issues, it will always be possible to find individual cases to support their views.

That's a somewhat valid point. Anecdotal evidence doesn't ever prove anything. But I will say that overall, the number of incidents where a private citizen stops a crime out in public is very small compared to the number of times when the cops end up stopping the criminal. I don't have time to go find the exact numbers so if you disbelieve me, that's fine.

But one possible suggestion would be that gun ownership be restricted to home defense and hunting only, and extremely harsh penalties should be instituted on those who carry a weapon, whether legal or stolen, outside their home within city limits.
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7/13/2016 1:37:02 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/12/2016 2:23:15 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 7/11/2016 10:57:51 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:53:41 AM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:32:19 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/10/2016 11:57:12 PM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

What does the 2nd amendment & support for the troops have to with the police shootings and the Dallas tragedy?

The NRA is always going on about how the reason we need gun rights is so that good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. In Dallas, we saw exactly how effective that was. The "good cops" were all armed and still got their butts handed to them.

Not sure why Dallas, a city full of gun enthusiasts, didn't have any vigilante heroes to defend the incompetent cops.

I think fairly decent arguments can be made that arming "good guys" is not necessarily the best solution... but this isn't that argument. Both sides of the this debate can dig through the data and find individual cases that support their position.

Why isn't this that argument?

1) BLM/police brutality activists generally are of a liberal persuasion. This trends in the direction of not owning or carrying firearms.

If you are a gun rights enthusiast, then surely you believe that all people have the right to carry a firearm, right? Why do you think the NRA dragged its feet condemning the Philando Castile shooting, but issued statements of support for the Dallas cops almost immediately?

2) The shootings occurred within walking distance of a community college, so assuming the demographic of young, politically minded adults, they (more than likely) might have come from college to the rally, meaning by law they were disarmed.

The cops were armed though. None of those good guys was able to stop the bad guy with their guns.

3) The shooter assumed tactics that showed more forethought than street crime specifically by making use of optics, range, distance, and surprise. The subject also specifically sought out to set up in a relatively unpopulated area.

Yes, our military sure knows how to train excellent killers.

Do you think the Dallas shooter was a bad guy? If so, why wasn't he stopped by a good guy with a gun? There were plenty of them around.

Ultimately he was, and "plenty of them around" doesn't have a reasonable grounding. The shooter was killed in the confines of the community college, meaning assuming the good guys wanted to remain "good" they were not allowed to carry.

Do you think the cops were good guys? They all had guns. If trained police cannot bring down one bad guy with their guns, maybe gun rights are not enough. Maybe the 2nd Amendment should be extended to explosive drones as well.
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7/13/2016 11:26:36 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

What does the 2nd amendment & support for the troops have to with the police shootings and the Dallas tragedy?

The NRA is always going on about how the reason we need gun rights is so that good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. In Dallas, we saw exactly how effective that was. The "good cops" were all armed and still got their butts handed to them.

Not sure why Dallas, a city full of gun enthusiasts, didn't have any vigilante heroes to defend the incompetent cops.

I think fairly decent arguments can be made that arming "good guys" is not necessarily the best solution... but this isn't that argument. Both sides of the this debate can dig through the data and find individual cases that support their position.

Why isn't this that argument?

1) BLM/police brutality activists generally are of a liberal persuasion. This trends in the direction of not owning or carrying firearms.

If you are a gun rights enthusiast, then surely you believe that all people have the right to carry a firearm, right?

Yes, I do.

Why do you think the NRA dragged its feet condemning the Philando Castile shooting, but issued statements of support for the Dallas cops almost immediately?

I fail to see the relevance of my speculation as to what the NRA might or might not do.

2) The shootings occurred within walking distance of a community college, so assuming the demographic of young, politically minded adults, they (more than likely) might have come from college to the rally, meaning by law they were disarmed.

The cops were armed though. None of those good guys was able to stop the bad guy with their guns.

Police are not as omnipresent as armed civilians, especially in locations where civilians are not legally allowed to carry.

3) The shooter assumed tactics that showed more forethought than street crime specifically by making use of optics, range, distance, and surprise. The subject also specifically sought out to set up in a relatively unpopulated area.

Yes, our military sure knows how to train excellent killers.

Do you think the Dallas shooter was a bad guy? If so, why wasn't he stopped by a good guy with a gun? There were plenty of them around.

Ultimately he was, and "plenty of them around" doesn't have a reasonable grounding. The shooter was killed in the confines of the community college, meaning assuming the good guys wanted to remain "good" they were not allowed to carry.

Do you think the cops were good guys? They all had guns. If trained police cannot bring down one bad guy with their guns, maybe gun rights are not enough. Maybe the 2nd Amendment should be extended to explosive drones as well.

Currently, the ability for law enforcement to enforce the law contains a variety of materials. Apparently the bad guy in question, despite military training assumed the cops would continue to operate within an assumed playbook. Its almost like the bad guy expected the good guys to "play fair" and run into more gunfire. Tee hee.
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7/13/2016 8:18:31 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/11/2016 3:32:19 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/10/2016 11:57:12 PM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

What does the 2nd amendment & support for the troops have to with the police shootings and the Dallas tragedy?

The NRA is always going on about how the reason we need gun rights is so that good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. In Dallas, we saw exactly how effective that was. The "good cops" were all armed and still got their butts handed to them.

Great narrative. I'm sure they would've had a much easier time fighting him off without guns


Not sure why Dallas, a city full of gun enthusiasts, didn't have any vigilante heroes to defend the incompetent cops.

I've also heard many conservatives say that everyone should support our troops, because they are heroes. Micah Xavier Johnson was a member of the military, so according to their logic he is a hero and we should support him.
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7/14/2016 11:49:49 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/13/2016 8:18:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:32:19 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/10/2016 11:57:12 PM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

What does the 2nd amendment & support for the troops have to with the police shootings and the Dallas tragedy?

The NRA is always going on about how the reason we need gun rights is so that good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. In Dallas, we saw exactly how effective that was. The "good cops" were all armed and still got their butts handed to them.

Great narrative. I'm sure they would've had a much easier time fighting him off without guns
I'm just saying this clearly proves gun rights are not enough. We need drone rights, tank rights and possibly even "nucular" rights.


Not sure why Dallas, a city full of gun enthusiasts, didn't have any vigilante heroes to defend the incompetent cops.

I've also heard many conservatives say that everyone should support our troops, because they are heroes. Micah Xavier Johnson was a member of the military, so according to their logic he is a hero and we should support him.
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7/14/2016 11:50:49 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:49:49 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/13/2016 8:18:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:32:19 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/10/2016 11:57:12 PM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

What does the 2nd amendment & support for the troops have to with the police shootings and the Dallas tragedy?

The NRA is always going on about how the reason we need gun rights is so that good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. In Dallas, we saw exactly how effective that was. The "good cops" were all armed and still got their butts handed to them.

Great narrative. I'm sure they would've had a much easier time fighting him off without guns
I'm just saying this clearly proves gun rights are not enough. We need drone rights, tank rights and possibly even "nucular" rights.

I can tell you've really thought about this issue and have come to an extremely nuanced point of view



Not sure why Dallas, a city full of gun enthusiasts, didn't have any vigilante heroes to defend the incompetent cops.

I've also heard many conservatives say that everyone should support our troops, because they are heroes. Micah Xavier Johnson was a member of the military, so according to their logic he is a hero and we should support him.
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7/14/2016 11:52:22 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/14/2016 11:50:49 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/14/2016 11:49:49 PM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/13/2016 8:18:31 PM, thett3 wrote:
At 7/11/2016 3:32:19 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 7/10/2016 11:57:12 PM, Axon85 wrote:
At 7/10/2016 3:44:25 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
Let me preface this by saying that I do not condone violence against innocent people. I wish Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, and the Dallas cops were all alive today.

That being said, thank god for the second amendment and remember, always support our troops!

What does the 2nd amendment & support for the troops have to with the police shootings and the Dallas tragedy?

The NRA is always going on about how the reason we need gun rights is so that good guys with guns can stop bad guys with guns. In Dallas, we saw exactly how effective that was. The "good cops" were all armed and still got their butts handed to them.

Great narrative. I'm sure they would've had a much easier time fighting him off without guns
I'm just saying this clearly proves gun rights are not enough. We need drone rights, tank rights and possibly even "nucular" rights.

I can tell you've really thought about this issue and have come to an extremely nuanced point of view
I can tell you're sad that moar gunz didn't solve the problem.


Not sure why Dallas, a city full of gun enthusiasts, didn't have any vigilante heroes to defend the incompetent cops.

I've also heard many conservatives say that everyone should support our troops, because they are heroes. Micah Xavier Johnson was a member of the military, so according to their logic he is a hero and we should support him.