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Danielle
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7/21/2016 3:01:50 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
Breaking News: Miami cops shoot disabled care giver...

http://usuncut.com...

And yes he's black, but that's not the point (or is it?). The video shows him lying on the grounds with his hands up. He was with a disabled patient from the hospital where he works, who had a TOY TRUCK in his hand. The man dropped to the floor with his hands up, telling officers that the other person had a toy and there was no need for firearms before getting shot. Does anyone think the police officer in this particular case was not in the wrong? Does anyone think the man who was shot should have done anything differently? Genuinely curious.
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7/21/2016 3:13:03 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 7/21/2016 3:01:50 AM, Danielle wrote:
Breaking News: Miami cops shoot disabled care giver...

http://usuncut.com...

And yes he's black, but that's not the point (or is it?). The video shows him lying on the grounds with his hands up. He was with a disabled patient from the hospital where he works, who had a TOY TRUCK in his hand. The man dropped to the floor with his hands up, telling officers that the other person had a toy and there was no need for firearms before getting shot. Does anyone think the police officer in this particular case was not in the wrong? Does anyone think the man who was shot should have done anything differently? Genuinely curious.

I have a general rule about not leaping to conclusions until at least a few days after the incident, but this seems even worse than the Tamir Rice shooting at first glance.
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lamerde
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7/21/2016 3:29:50 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
"Sir, why did you shoot me?"

"I don't know."

That's...
Why I ignore YYW:
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7/22/2016 7:09:24 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 7/21/2016 3:29:50 AM, lamerde wrote:
"Sir, why did you shoot me?"

"I don't know."

That's...

Aren't cops great?
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7/22/2016 11:17:19 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 7/21/2016 3:01:50 AM, Danielle wrote:
Breaking News: Miami cops shoot disabled care giver...

http://usuncut.com...

And yes he's black, but that's not the point (or is it?). The video shows him lying on the grounds with his hands up. He was with a disabled patient from the hospital where he works, who had a TOY TRUCK in his hand. The man dropped to the floor with his hands up, telling officers that the other person had a toy and there was no need for firearms before getting shot. Does anyone think the police officer in this particular case was not in the wrong? Does anyone think the man who was shot should have done anything differently? Genuinely curious.

Is every incident of police misconduct a race issue for you?
YYW
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7/22/2016 11:25:56 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Intellectually primitive reductionism in the form of "either you're with us or against us" didn't work for George Bush with Iraq, and it doesn't work for BLM, either.

Yet, there are people, even people who hold themselves out as "intellectuals" who have opined on BLM, who make precisely that argument. Those same people then go on a tirade about how anyone who doesn't support BLM supports some fantasy of the police 'waging war on black bodies'.

That argument is intellectual trash.

It is entirely possible to both acknowledge the problems associated with how policing certain communities (to the extent that the "hoods" which exist throughout our fruited plains are "communities) raises difficult questions without easy solutions, and take issue with the manner and extent of how certain groups (i.e. BLM, and the like) have "protested" events which those groups incorrectly portray as "racially motivated" injustices.

The "you're with us or against us" argument is idiotic, and the people who make it follow in kind.
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7/23/2016 4:39:29 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 7/22/2016 11:25:56 PM, YYW wrote:
Intellectually primitive reductionism in the form of "either you're with us or against us" didn't work for George Bush with Iraq, and it doesn't work for BLM, either.

Yet, there are people, even people who hold themselves out as "intellectuals" who have opined on BLM, who make precisely that argument. Those same people then go on a tirade about how anyone who doesn't support BLM supports some fantasy of the police 'waging war on black bodies'.

That argument is intellectual trash.

It is entirely possible to both acknowledge the problems associated with how policing certain communities (to the extent that the "hoods" which exist throughout our fruited plains are "communities) raises difficult questions without easy solutions, and take issue with the manner and extent of how certain groups (i.e. BLM, and the like) have "protested" events which those groups incorrectly portray as "racially motivated" injustices.

The "you're with us or against us" argument is idiotic, and the people who make it follow in kind.

So where do you stand in this? Genuinely curious, do you understand BLM's message, just dont like their methods, do you believe BLM is in the wrong for making everything about race, or not admitting their own mistakes, or whatever?
"We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing-oriented" society to a "person-oriented" society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered." -MLK Jr
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7/23/2016 2:48:59 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 7/22/2016 11:17:19 PM, YYW wrote:
At 7/21/2016 3:01:50 AM, Danielle wrote:
Breaking News: Miami cops shoot disabled care giver...

http://usuncut.com...

And yes he's black, but that's not the point (or is it?). The video shows him lying on the grounds with his hands up. He was with a disabled patient from the hospital where he works, who had a TOY TRUCK in his hand. The man dropped to the floor with his hands up, telling officers that the other person had a toy and there was no need for firearms before getting shot. Does anyone think the police officer in this particular case was not in the wrong? Does anyone think the man who was shot should have done anything differently? Genuinely curious.

Is every incident of police misconduct a race issue for you?

When most of the victims are disproportionately black, it would appear to be a race issue.
matt8800
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7/23/2016 2:58:18 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 7/22/2016 11:25:56 PM, YYW wrote:
Intellectually primitive reductionism in the form of "either you're with us or against us" didn't work for George Bush with Iraq, and it doesn't work for BLM, either.

Yet, there are people, even people who hold themselves out as "intellectuals" who have opined on BLM, who make precisely that argument. Those same people then go on a tirade about how anyone who doesn't support BLM supports some fantasy of the police 'waging war on black bodies'.

That argument is intellectual trash.

It is entirely possible to both acknowledge the problems associated with how policing certain communities (to the extent that the "hoods" which exist throughout our fruited plains are "communities) raises difficult questions without easy solutions, and take issue with the manner and extent of how certain groups (i.e. BLM, and the like) have "protested" events which those groups incorrectly portray as "racially motivated" injustices.

The "you're with us or against us" argument is idiotic, and the people who make it follow in kind.

There is a perceived difference in how people in authority value innocent black victims.

When innocent cops' lives were taken, politicians made speeches, flags were flown at half mast, etc.

When innocent black lives (unarmed and not resisting) were taken, do you feel that the response was the same? Werent their children affected also?

When someone shoots a cop, what justice is done? When a cop shoots an innocent person, what justice is done? Would BLM still exist if cops who commit homicide were thrown in jail for murder, or at minimum, manslaughter? I don't think so.

There is a clear disparity in justice. Just institute equal justice for all citizens and much of these problems will go away.