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7/22/2016 9:26:10 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
1. Changing Black Upbringing
Obviously, the only major genetic difference between black people and the rest of the human race is increased melanin production. Given this, it stands to reason that blacks raised in a good environment would be no more or less likely to grow up to be criminals than people of other races who were raised in this environment. In the 1960s blacks gained their full civil rights under the law. However, around this same time the breakdown of the black nuclear family as well as other factors resulted in "Generation Thug". From that point onwards blacks in general would be raised in an environment in which their likelihood of growing up to be horrible people was significantly higher. Poverty is definitely a factor, but it is not the only important factor, and in theory there could exist an impoverished black community with low crime rates. If anything, I'd argue that high crime rates and the absence of the black nuclear family have kept the black community from escaping poverty, as millions of immigrants to the United States throughout our history have accomplished within just a generation or two of coming here with nothing but the clothes on their backs.
The optimal way of ending Generation Thug is to change the environment under which the next black generation is raised. I would propose a large-scale government campaign which encourages middle-class married couples to adopt black children (at as young an age as possible) from impoverished single-parent households. Black Americans comprise 13% of the population, or over 42 million people. This equals a lot of children, obviously, which means that a lot of middle-class married couples would have to participate in the program. To ease the burden, the government would offer significant economic incentives to impoverished black women to undergo government-funded hysterectomy operations. The current black generation will eventually grow old, die out, and be replaced by one which behaves and is perceived better. Speaking of the public perception of blacks...

2. Changing the Black Image
Another significant obstacle to black success in life is the stereotypes of Black-Americans held by non-blacks (mostly by whites). Black men are perceived as criminal and devious, and even well-dressed, well-educated, and affluent Blacks will often be pulled over by the cops because their skin colour makes them look suspicious. A larger number of well-behaved, well-educated blacks from good homes will certainly weaken the stereotype. However, further action must be taken. Whenever crimes are reported in newspapers, a picture of the culprit must not be provided. If the picture is ommitted only whenever the culprit is black, people will be able to put two and two together. Depiction of black crime on television and movies must be discouraged. Blacks must not be presented as the face of heinous crime in our nation. Eventually, all of these efforts will pay off and blacks will no longer be regarded with suspicion for their skin colour.
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7/22/2016 9:30:50 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
More points will be added to this later.
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7/22/2016 10:13:33 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/22/2016 9:26:10 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Changing Black Upbringing
Obviously, the only major genetic difference between black people and the rest of the human race is increased melanin production.
No. Absolute genetic distance aside, you have stuff like disease susceptibility.

Given this, it stands to reason that blacks raised in a good environment would be no more or less likely to grow up to be criminals than people of other races who were raised in this environment.
What good environment? Why would it, within any given "good" environment? Sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander.

There is one allele (2R of the MAO-A gene, no word on whether it has an independent effect) that does have some association with criminality (independent of race.) But I doubt it would explain even half of the disparity.

The optimal way of ending Generation Thug is to change the environment under which the next black generation is raised.
Agree.

I would propose a large-scale government campaign which encourages middle-class married couples to adopt black children (at as young an age as possible) from impoverished single-parent households. Black Americans comprise 13% of the population, or over 42 million people. This equals a lot of children, obviously, which means that a lot of middle-class married couples would have to participate in the program. To ease the burden, the government would offer significant economic incentives to impoverished black women to undergo government-funded hysterectomy operations.
Assuming one were to find enough adopters, and somehow managed to avoid the obvious racial tension this would incur from African-Americans (and whoever happens to agree with them), it probably wouldn't even work.

Why not?

Because the vast majority of blacks' problems in the US are either owed to or exacerbated by their status in the American caste system/totem pole. It's not who is raising them per se.

I wouldn't be surprised if middle-class blacks had higher crime rates than equivalent (or even poorer) whites.

The current black generation will eventually grow old, die out, and be replaced by one which behaves and is perceived better. Speaking of the public perception of blacks...

2. Changing the Black Image
Another significant obstacle to black success in life is the stereotypes of Black-Americans held by non-blacks (mostly by whites). Black men are perceived as criminal and devious, and even well-dressed, well-educated, and affluent Blacks will often be pulled over by the cops because their skin colour makes them look suspicious. A larger number of well-behaved, well-educated blacks from good homes will certainly weaken the stereotype. However, further action must be taken.

Whenever crimes are reported in newspapers, a picture of the culprit must not be provided. If the picture is ommitted only whenever the culprit is black, people will be able to put two and two together. Depiction of black crime on television and movies must be discouraged. Blacks must not be presented as the face of heinous crime in our nation.
No, this is ridiculous. The backlash would be massive. It's "the Streisand effect" waiting to happen.

Eventually, all of these efforts will pay off and blacks will no longer be regarded with suspicion for their skin colour.
Will never happen in a multi-racial society. Particularly not in the US, with its history of (lacking) race relations (specifically, regarding African-Americans.)

The obvious answer is to abolish of the multi-racial society.
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7/24/2016 10:35:42 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
A real problem is that the vast majority of Blacks that live in America have been artificially selected (not by nature) for grunt slave work.

In the modern age in America, naturally having the physical and mental traits for slave labor won't get you very far.

Today's opportunities to enter the middle class lie in the realm of being proficient in the high service sector and having skills in technology, not the areas of physical slave labor and low service. Baggy pants, a cocky attitude, and a large physique just are not positive assets to advance one into the middle class.

That isn't to say Blacks can't adapt and overcome, much as women as a group have learned to dominate the workforce; but it took massive cultural changes for women to band together and improve themselves as a group to do this.

The reality is that most Blacks just won't make it as a rap or basketball star. When Black culture accepts this, it will then be culturally acceptable to develop the skills that will allow Blacks to compete for high service and technology jobs. It will also be more acceptable to have a family structure that encourages investment in the future of children which does not rely on beatboxing on a corner, or playing hoops down the street.
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7/29/2016 5:38:50 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Agree with OP, and please allow me to add a few things for consideration Black Americans,

PLEASE STOP VOTING DEMOCRAT. It's like a very bad case of Stockholm syndrome. Look around and observe that democrats are using you, not progressing you.

By Liberal standards we are in a constant state of grievance and victimhood that veils the fact the Black Americans were invaluable in building our great nation USA.

Liberals and Democrats are constantly reminding Blacks of the atrocity of slavery and the wrong doings of the past so that Blacks can never heal, and Liberals can continue to push the narrative that evil white conservatives and American capitalism are unjust, racist, and heartless, and must give way to Socialism, the most racist, leeching, unjust, one foot behind fascist, government system.

Too often I hear from Blacks "you say not to vote democrat but what have the republicans done for us?!! All they care about is old white rich men!" And to that I say; Yes! They take care of their own as they should and leave you to your own as it should be, are you implying that Black Americans are incapable of governing their own communities in education, economics, health, etc. within the general everyday good standard of living in USA?

If the answer is NO then there should be no problem voting republican. Not saying the republican party is without its flaws but, Blacks have been under the precipice of Democrats who's significantly responsible for why Blacks aren't progressing (Blacks themselves own most of this regression as well you are not off the hook at all).

If the answer is YES, then...enjoy your failure, your life will not get better anytime soon.

Take accountability and responsibility of yourself as an individual and set your standards high which would indirectly affect the group as a whole. Black Americans standards as collective are way too low. Black people lack pride and self-respect, that's why they are always looking for validation from everyone else (hence the BLM embarrassment) instead of validating themselves, and please stop celebrating mediocrity and criminals, it's disgraceful.

Learn your history, Black History is American History, and it's year round, and it's a legacy of greatness that still continues today. For every White historical figure a Black child recognizes, so should he recognize a Black historical figure. If a black child came name 3 Black entertainers, so should he name 3 Black scientist, or doctors, or prominent hard working, self sustaining Black people. It is really simple, but liberals would tell you that these people are traitors because they've left you behind, and that they deserve ridicule and disdain for not being "Black enough" to stay on the oh so comfortable plantation they've made for you.

If you are one of those who is guilty of unapologetically ridiculing a successful Black American who demands exceptionalism and excellence as a "coon" or "uncle tom" or "house negro" then SHAME ON YOU, YOU LIBERAL SHEEP-MINDED SLAVE.

That's all I've got for now, thanks for reading and maybe considering my rant.
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7/29/2016 8:07:35 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 10:35:42 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
A real problem is that the vast majority of Blacks that live in America have been artificially selected (not by nature) for grunt slave work.

In the modern age in America, naturally having the physical and mental traits for slave labor won't get you very far.

Today's opportunities to enter the middle class lie in the realm of being proficient in the high service sector and having skills in technology, not the areas of physical slave labor and low service. Baggy pants, a cocky attitude, and a large physique just are not positive assets to advance one into the middle class.

That isn't to say Blacks can't adapt and overcome, much as women as a group have learned to dominate the workforce; but it took massive cultural changes for women to band together and improve themselves as a group to do this.

The reality is that most Blacks just won't make it as a rap or basketball star. When Black culture accepts this, it will then be culturally acceptable to develop the skills that will allow Blacks to compete for high service and technology jobs. It will also be more acceptable to have a family structure that encourages investment in the future of children which does not rely on beatboxing on a corner, or playing hoops down the street.

I get the impression where I am is that the Blacks have already taken over. Do I really have to say more. White flight is real and I see it every day. How can a race of people, that claims to be superior, fear a race of people they deem to be inferior to them.
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7/29/2016 8:08:48 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/29/2016 5:38:50 PM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:
Agree with OP, and please allow me to add a few things for consideration Black Americans,

PLEASE STOP VOTING DEMOCRAT. It's like a very bad case of Stockholm syndrome. Look around and observe that democrats are using you, not progressing you.

By Liberal standards we are in a constant state of grievance and victimhood that veils the fact the Black Americans were invaluable in building our great nation USA.

Liberals and Democrats are constantly reminding Blacks of the atrocity of slavery and the wrong doings of the past so that Blacks can never heal, and Liberals can continue to push the narrative that evil white conservatives and American capitalism are unjust, racist, and heartless, and must give way to Socialism, the most racist, leeching, unjust, one foot behind fascist, government system.

Too often I hear from Blacks "you say not to vote democrat but what have the republicans done for us?!! All they care about is old white rich men!" And to that I say; Yes! They take care of their own as they should and leave you to your own as it should be, are you implying that Black Americans are incapable of governing their own communities in education, economics, health, etc. within the general everyday good standard of living in USA?

If the answer is NO then there should be no problem voting republican. Not saying the republican party is without its flaws but, Blacks have been under the precipice of Democrats who's significantly responsible for why Blacks aren't progressing (Blacks themselves own most of this regression as well you are not off the hook at all).

If the answer is YES, then...enjoy your failure, your life will not get better anytime soon.

Take accountability and responsibility of yourself as an individual and set your standards high which would indirectly affect the group as a whole. Black Americans standards as collective are way too low. Black people lack pride and self-respect, that's why they are always looking for validation from everyone else (hence the BLM embarrassment) instead of validating themselves, and please stop celebrating mediocrity and criminals, it's disgraceful.

Learn your history, Black History is American History, and it's year round, and it's a legacy of greatness that still continues today. For every White historical figure a Black child recognizes, so should he recognize a Black historical figure. If a black child came name 3 Black entertainers, so should he name 3 Black scientist, or doctors, or prominent hard working, self sustaining Black people. It is really simple, but liberals would tell you that these people are traitors because they've left you behind, and that they deserve ridicule and disdain for not being "Black enough" to stay on the oh so comfortable plantation they've made for you.

If you are one of those who is guilty of unapologetically ridiculing a successful Black American who demands exceptionalism and excellence as a "coon" or "uncle tom" or "house negro" then SHAME ON YOU, YOU LIBERAL SHEEP-MINDED SLAVE.

That's all I've got for now, thanks for reading and maybe considering my rant.

No. The Democrats have served us well and we have survived. In spite of what the mainstream media has lied to you about us. Whites are being reminded every single day....and yet they ask time and time again. How do they ever do it.
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7/29/2016 8:15:09 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/29/2016 8:07:35 PM, inferno wrote:
At 7/24/2016 10:35:42 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
A real problem is that the vast majority of Blacks that live in America have been artificially selected (not by nature) for grunt slave work.

In the modern age in America, naturally having the physical and mental traits for slave labor won't get you very far.

Today's opportunities to enter the middle class lie in the realm of being proficient in the high service sector and having skills in technology, not the areas of physical slave labor and low service. Baggy pants, a cocky attitude, and a large physique just are not positive assets to advance one into the middle class.

That isn't to say Blacks can't adapt and overcome, much as women as a group have learned to dominate the workforce; but it took massive cultural changes for women to band together and improve themselves as a group to do this.

The reality is that most Blacks just won't make it as a rap or basketball star. When Black culture accepts this, it will then be culturally acceptable to develop the skills that will allow Blacks to compete for high service and technology jobs. It will also be more acceptable to have a family structure that encourages investment in the future of children which does not rely on beatboxing on a corner, or playing hoops down the street.

I get the impression where I am is that the Blacks have already taken over. Do I really have to say more. White flight is real and I see it every day. How can a race of people, that claims to be superior, fear a race of people they deem to be inferior to them.

Black Flight is real too. the Uncle Toms are growing.
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7/29/2016 8:24:52 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/29/2016 8:15:09 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 7/29/2016 8:07:35 PM, inferno wrote:
At 7/24/2016 10:35:42 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
A real problem is that the vast majority of Blacks that live in America have been artificially selected (not by nature) for grunt slave work.

In the modern age in America, naturally having the physical and mental traits for slave labor won't get you very far.

Today's opportunities to enter the middle class lie in the realm of being proficient in the high service sector and having skills in technology, not the areas of physical slave labor and low service. Baggy pants, a cocky attitude, and a large physique just are not positive assets to advance one into the middle class.

That isn't to say Blacks can't adapt and overcome, much as women as a group have learned to dominate the workforce; but it took massive cultural changes for women to band together and improve themselves as a group to do this.

The reality is that most Blacks just won't make it as a rap or basketball star. When Black culture accepts this, it will then be culturally acceptable to develop the skills that will allow Blacks to compete for high service and technology jobs. It will also be more acceptable to have a family structure that encourages investment in the future of children which does not rely on beatboxing on a corner, or playing hoops down the street.

I get the impression where I am is that the Blacks have already taken over. Do I really have to say more. White flight is real and I see it every day. How can a race of people, that claims to be superior, fear a race of people they deem to be inferior to them.

Black Flight is real too. the Uncle Toms are growing.

So what. You got Whites acting like they Nigg*rs, too. And you were saying.
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7/29/2016 8:33:57 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/29/2016 8:24:52 PM, inferno wrote:

So what. You got Whites acting like they Nigg*rs, too. And you were saying.

People without family do desperate things.
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7/29/2016 8:56:27 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/29/2016 8:08:48 PM, inferno wrote:
At 7/29/2016 5:38:50 PM, AlyceTheElectrician wrote:
Agree with OP, and please allow me to add a few things for consideration Black Americans,

PLEASE STOP VOTING DEMOCRAT. It's like a very bad case of Stockholm syndrome. Look around and observe that democrats are using you, not progressing you.

By Liberal standards we are in a constant state of grievance and victimhood that veils the fact the Black Americans were invaluable in building our great nation USA.

Liberals and Democrats are constantly reminding Blacks of the atrocity of slavery and the wrong doings of the past so that Blacks can never heal, and Liberals can continue to push the narrative that evil white conservatives and American capitalism are unjust, racist, and heartless, and must give way to Socialism, the most racist, leeching, unjust, one foot behind fascist, government system.

Too often I hear from Blacks "you say not to vote democrat but what have the republicans done for us?!! All they care about is old white rich men!" And to that I say; Yes! They take care of their own as they should and leave you to your own as it should be, are you implying that Black Americans are incapable of governing their own communities in education, economics, health, etc. within the general everyday good standard of living in USA?

If the answer is NO then there should be no problem voting republican. Not saying the republican party is without its flaws but, Blacks have been under the precipice of Democrats who's significantly responsible for why Blacks aren't progressing (Blacks themselves own most of this regression as well you are not off the hook at all).

If the answer is YES, then...enjoy your failure, your life will not get better anytime soon.

Take accountability and responsibility of yourself as an individual and set your standards high which would indirectly affect the group as a whole. Black Americans standards as collective are way too low. Black people lack pride and self-respect, that's why they are always looking for validation from everyone else (hence the BLM embarrassment) instead of validating themselves, and please stop celebrating mediocrity and criminals, it's disgraceful.

Learn your history, Black History is American History, and it's year round, and it's a legacy of greatness that still continues today. For every White historical figure a Black child recognizes, so should he recognize a Black historical figure. If a black child came name 3 Black entertainers, so should he name 3 Black scientist, or doctors, or prominent hard working, self sustaining Black people. It is really simple, but liberals would tell you that these people are traitors because they've left you behind, and that they deserve ridicule and disdain for not being "Black enough" to stay on the oh so comfortable plantation they've made for you.

If you are one of those who is guilty of unapologetically ridiculing a successful Black American who demands exceptionalism and excellence as a "coon" or "uncle tom" or "house negro" then SHAME ON YOU, YOU LIBERAL SHEEP-MINDED SLAVE.

That's all I've got for now, thanks for reading and maybe considering my rant.

No. The Democrats have served us well and we have survived. In spite of what the mainstream media has lied to you about us. Whites are being reminded every single day....and yet they ask time and time again. How do they ever do it.

They've served you well you say, yet you are not thriving, but only surviving? Raise your standards.

It's like a prostitute being served well by a pimp. You are doing all the work, but getting scraps as a return on your investment, while the pimp is reaping in all the benefits from your suffering. Get rid of the pimp, and you could keep all the benefits of your hard work for yourself.
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7/29/2016 9:48:05 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 10:35:42 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
A real problem is that the vast majority of Blacks that live in America have been artificially selected (not by nature) for grunt slave work.
what?

In the modern age in America, naturally having the physical and mental traits for slave labor won't get you very far.
what the hell are you talking about?

Today's opportunities to enter the middle class lie in the realm of being proficient in the high service sector and having skills in technology, not the areas of physical slave labor and low service. Baggy pants, a cocky attitude, and a large physique just are not positive assets to advance one into the middle class.

Yet again you prove yourself to be the most ignorant racist on this site. At least when bballcrook is being racist hes recognizes and embraces it and thats his american right to do so. But you actually think you're helping. Every single post you make about black people is incredibly offensive to me, my family and all of my black friends. We dont all wear baggy pants have a cocky attitude and we come in different sizes man. I don't know where you're from but I'm willing to bet it does not have a large population of black people. You have essentially pigeonholed all of black people into 5% that fit the stereotype. I know you are an arrogant person but sincerely you need to really look into yourself and find out why you think this way. Black people are incredibly diverse. Much more than rappers are basketball players. Doctors, lawyers, businessmen, social activist Oscar winners and police officers such as myself. You haven't even scratched the surface of what we are.

That isn't to say Blacks can't adapt and overcome, much as women as a group have learned to dominate the workforce; but it took massive cultural changes for women to band together and improve themselves as a group to do this.

The reality is that most Blacks just won't make it as a rap or basketball star. When Black culture accepts this, it will then be culturally acceptable to develop the skills that will allow Blacks to compete for high service and technology jobs. It will also be more acceptable to have a family structure that encourages investment in the future of children which does not rely on beatboxing on a corner, or playing hoops down the street.

Dude seriously. what is the matter with you? No one has beatboxed on a corner since like...85? http://www.theroot.com... read through the article and after I'll find much more examples for you.
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7/29/2016 11:43:53 PM
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SMH thank God the vast majority of level headed Caucasians shy away from this kind of foolishness.
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7/30/2016 12:44:49 AM
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At 7/29/2016 11:43:53 PM, Hiu wrote:
SMH thank God the vast majority of level headed Caucasians shy away from this kind of foolishness.

Dude right? Can you believe our ancestors had to deal with a country full of these goddamn bufoons. Just makes you appreciate your grandparents more haha
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7/30/2016 1:17:46 AM
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The idea that cutting welfare will reduce poverty is akin to the idea that "let them eat cake" solves world hunger.
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7/30/2016 3:40:56 AM
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At 7/29/2016 11:43:53 PM, Hiu wrote:
SMH thank God the vast majority of level headed Caucasians shy away from this kind of foolishness.

What foolish things did I say here?
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7/30/2016 3:41:41 AM
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At 7/30/2016 1:17:46 AM, YYW wrote:
The idea that cutting welfare will reduce poverty is akin to the idea that "let them eat cake" solves world hunger.

I don't think I proposed cutting welfare.
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7/30/2016 3:47:35 AM
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At 7/30/2016 1:17:46 AM, YYW wrote:
The idea that cutting welfare will reduce poverty is akin to the idea that "let them eat cake" solves world hunger.

And in all fairness, massive amounts of food aid for Africa have stifled the economic livelihood of farmers in the region.
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7/30/2016 4:20:44 AM
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At 7/30/2016 3:26:56 AM, capob wrote:
Avg IQ 84. Either that needs to be reconciled, or you have to account for a different type of citizen.


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Jury's out on that (look up "norms of reaction")

Blacks in les Etats do not do nearly as bad as they do in other countries, even when they have equivalent IQs. Even if their mean is "set in stone", they could be doing a lot better than they are now.
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7/30/2016 7:29:52 AM
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So far in my experience, websites that are frequented and are dominated by people of European descent, or people of Caucasian descent are always making threads on how "blacks should behave" or "what black people should do" as if black people are the only ethnic group among all human populations. This particular attitude only perpetuates the stereotype that whites tend to criticize and dictate how others should behave and act. You know what that is called? Imperialism.

"The answer to the black question."

What answer...Just your perspective as someone who isn't black on how or what is the issue with the "black community?" The only thing I gotta say is I blame other whites who see this crap and remain silent in not correcting this nonsense. They are as guilty as the individuals who write this crap.
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7/30/2016 7:31:20 AM
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At 7/30/2016 3:40:56 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 7/29/2016 11:43:53 PM, Hiu wrote:
SMH thank God the vast majority of level headed Caucasians shy away from this kind of foolishness.

What foolish things did I say here?

your entire thread. To think you not being of the demographic think you have an idea of a solution to whatever issues there are that exist in the community. I happen to live in the community therefore, my opinion might be more valuable here, but anyways
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7/30/2016 2:28:02 PM
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At 7/30/2016 7:31:20 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 7/30/2016 3:40:56 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 7/29/2016 11:43:53 PM, Hiu wrote:
SMH thank God the vast majority of level headed Caucasians shy away from this kind of foolishness.

What foolish things did I say here?

your entire thread. To think you not being of the demographic think you have an idea of a solution to whatever issues there are that exist in the community. I happen to live in the community therefore, my opinion might be more valuable here, but anyways

Yes, I am white, but I have a fairly good grasp of the problem. The only solutions I've heard from the black community are "Make the police stop KILLING us!"
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7/30/2016 2:42:43 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
3. Changing Black Neighborhoods

Blacks are arrested for possession of marijuana (and other illegal drugs) at higher rates than whites, in a manner disproportionate to how many blacks use illegal drugs compared to whites. In all fairness, if you don't use or deal illegal drugs you won't be arrested regardless of your skin colour, but I digress. It obviously isn't good for drug use to be common in a society, but the massive incarceration rate in the black community for a relatively victimless crime is a problem as well. We need a change in policy in the War on Drugs. Simple users of illegal drugs (who aren't driving under the influence) shouldn't be arrested if they haven't committed any other crime. However, there should be an intensive campaign against illegal drug dealers and producers; these people, when found, should be given extreme sentences. Cash rewards should be offered for tips to the police which lead to the arrest of a drug dealer/producer. Likewise, the U.S. should crack down on drug producers overseas, be they in Afghanistan or Colombia. Whenever illegal drugs are no longer available, there'll obviously be fewer convictions (black or white) for illegal drug offenses. If they're not always being arrested, blacks will have better economic prospects, and the ill effects of drug addiction on the black community (and the white community) which job opportunities and harm health will go away. And of course, fewer black drug users/dealers will better their public image.
Furthermore, there should be a nationwide police campaign to interact and connect with black youths, so that the "F**k the police" mentality will eventually go away. So to help reinforce positive black perceptions of police officers, officers should be made to wear body cameras while policing. Also, an effort should be made to increase the presence of black police officers in predominantly black neighborhoods.
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7/31/2016 8:01:09 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/30/2016 2:28:02 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 7/30/2016 7:31:20 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 7/30/2016 3:40:56 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 7/29/2016 11:43:53 PM, Hiu wrote:
SMH thank God the vast majority of level headed Caucasians shy away from this kind of foolishness.

What foolish things did I say here?

your entire thread. To think you not being of the demographic think you have an idea of a solution to whatever issues there are that exist in the community. I happen to live in the community therefore, my opinion might be more valuable here, but anyways

Yes, I am white, but I have a fairly good grasp of the problem. The only solutions I've heard from the black community are "Make the police stop KILLING us!"

You being white, I highly doubt you have a grasp especially an objective one, of whatever problem you see.
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7/31/2016 9:05:00 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/30/2016 1:17:46 AM, YYW wrote:
The idea that cutting welfare will reduce poverty is akin to the idea that "let them eat cake" solves world hunger.

Is it better to let the current people in poverty leech off the middle class/rich, or to have them make their own money?
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7/31/2016 9:17:20 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/30/2016 7:29:52 AM, Hiu wrote:
So far in my experience, websites that are frequented and are dominated by people of European descent, or people of Caucasian descent are always making threads on how "blacks should behave" or "what black people should do" as if black people are the only ethnic group among all human populations. This particular attitude only perpetuates the stereotype that whites tend to criticize and dictate how others should behave and act. You know what that is called? Imperialism.
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"The answer to the black question."

What answer...Just your perspective as someone who isn't black on how or what is the issue with the "black community?" The only thing I gotta say is I blame other whites who see this crap and remain silent in not correcting this nonsense. They are as guilty as the individuals who write this crap.

You and Agent Orange do nothing but use a RaceCard"

It is a fact that thug culture is hurting the black community, but people like you will pull Race Cards and brand people speaking out against thug culture as racist.
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7/31/2016 11:09:49 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/31/2016 9:17:20 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/30/2016 7:29:52 AM, Hiu wrote:
So far in my experience, websites that are frequented and are dominated by people of European descent, or people of Caucasian descent are always making threads on how "blacks should behave" or "what black people should do" as if black people are the only ethnic group among all human populations. This particular attitude only perpetuates the stereotype that whites tend to criticize and dictate how others should behave and act. You know what that is called? Imperialism.
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"The answer to the black question."

What answer...Just your perspective as someone who isn't black on how or what is the issue with the "black community?" The only thing I gotta say is I blame other whites who see this crap and remain silent in not correcting this nonsense. They are as guilty as the individuals who write this crap.

You and Agent Orange do nothing but use a RaceCard"

It is a fact that thug culture is hurting the black community, but people like you will pull Race Cards and brand people speaking out against thug culture as racist.

Let me get this straight.....I see several threads specifically targeting black people (this one and many others) and the moment I make a statement which defends my position I am somehow playing the race card? How many threads about whites are there on here, or how many threads have I created targeting white people? I've made only one. It seems if anyone is playing the race card it is the whites that frequent these boards.

"Thug culture?"

How is thug culture a part of the black community? If thug culture is a part of the black community than it certainly is a part of white culture. No. thug culture is a culture of its own because criminality is not isolated to one culture.
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7/31/2016 12:48:20 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/31/2016 11:09:49 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 7/31/2016 9:17:20 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/30/2016 7:29:52 AM, Hiu wrote:
So far in my experience, websites that are frequented and are dominated by people of European descent, or people of Caucasian descent are always making threads on how "blacks should behave" or "what black people should do" as if black people are the only ethnic group among all human populations. This particular attitude only perpetuates the stereotype that whites tend to criticize and dictate how others should behave and act. You know what that is called? Imperialism.
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"The answer to the black question."

What answer...Just your perspective as someone who isn't black on how or what is the issue with the "black community?" The only thing I gotta say is I blame other whites who see this crap and remain silent in not correcting this nonsense. They are as guilty as the individuals who write this crap.

You and Agent Orange do nothing but use a RaceCard"

It is a fact that thug culture is hurting the black community, but people like you will pull Race Cards and brand people speaking out against thug culture as racist.



Let me get this straight.....I see several threads specifically targeting black people (this one and many others) and the moment I make a statement which defends my position I am somehow playing the race card? How many threads about whites are there on here, or how many threads have I created targeting white people? I've made only one. It seems if anyone is playing the race card it is the whites that frequent these boards.
How in the world did this thread target black people? This thread was only a hypothetical way for blacks to be "on par" with Whites socioeconomically. Vox clearly stated that blacks aren't genetically inferior in any way either.

"Thug culture?"

How is thug culture a part of the black community? If thug culture is a part of the black community than it certainly is a part of white culture. No. thug culture is a culture of its own because criminality is not isolated to one culture.

It is very common among young urban blacks. Blacks initially were poorer than Whites due to discrimination and slavery. However, the liberal welfare state was what really plagued Blacks to have this culture. Yet, Blacks still are more likely to go with the Democrats due to their constant race baiting and welfare they gove, which is just money that gives them a mentality to not work hard and just live off government benefits.

Due to this, thug culture became prevelant among young urban blacks. It is the reason why blacks are more likely to commit crime and seek less educational opportunities.
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7/31/2016 10:21:07 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/31/2016 12:48:20 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/31/2016 11:09:49 AM, Hiu wrote:
At 7/31/2016 9:17:20 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 7/30/2016 7:29:52 AM, Hiu wrote:
So far in my experience, websites that are frequented and are dominated by people of European descent, or people of Caucasian descent are always making threads on how "blacks should behave" or "what black people should do" as if black people are the only ethnic group among all human populations. This particular attitude only perpetuates the stereotype that whites tend to criticize and dictate how others should behave and act. You know what that is called? Imperialism.
;
"The answer to the black question."

What answer...Just your perspective as someone who isn't black on how or what is the issue with the "black community?" The only thing I gotta say is I blame other whites who see this crap and remain silent in not correcting this nonsense. They are as guilty as the individuals who write this crap.

You and Agent Orange do nothing but use a RaceCard"

It is a fact that thug culture is hurting the black community, but people like you will pull Race Cards and brand people speaking out against thug culture as racist.



Let me get this straight.....I see several threads specifically targeting black people (this one and many others) and the moment I make a statement which defends my position I am somehow playing the race card? How many threads about whites are there on here, or how many threads have I created targeting white people? I've made only one. It seems if anyone is playing the race card it is the whites that frequent these boards.
How in the world did this thread target black people? This thread was only a hypothetical way for blacks to be "on par" with Whites socioeconomically. Vox clearly stated that blacks aren't genetically inferior in any way either.

"Thug culture?"

How is thug culture a part of the black community? If thug culture is a part of the black community than it certainly is a part of white culture. No. thug culture is a culture of its own because criminality is not isolated to one culture.

It is very common among young urban blacks. Blacks initially were poorer than Whites due to discrimination and slavery. However, the liberal welfare state was what really plagued Blacks to have this culture. Yet, Blacks still are more likely to go with the Democrats due to their constant race baiting and welfare they gove, which is just money that gives them a mentality to not work hard and just live off government benefits.

Due to this, thug culture became prevelant among young urban blacks. It is the reason why blacks are more likely to commit crime and seek less educational opportunities.

You said:

"How in the world did this thread target black people? This thread was only a hypothetical way for blacks to be "on par" with Whites socioeconomically. Vox clearly stated that blacks aren't genetically inferior in any way either."

For once, I highly doubt Vox has any background in sociology given the level of articulation of what he wrote here, because clearly, he lack the intellectual ability to make the distinction between "thug culture" and criminality. Again,. I asked in my last post how is thug culture associated with black culture? I am black. I know what a thug is, but since I'm black but not a thug (obviously since I hold down a job and am a graduate student to boot) how can this be my culture? Thug culture has more or less criminal culture as opposed to ethnic culture. This is a mislabeling based on his own personal racial biases. When I read things like this, sometimes I think some whites, when trying to make "solutions" are almost always based on a white comparison model as if whites are the "model citizens."

Considering there are a lot of white "thugs" in the world I can hardly take anyone serious who is trying to create a solution to get "blacks on par with whites socio-economically." The socio-economic solution was created long before I was born as well as my parents so we cannot have a solution based on a model compared to whites. Creating a solution for a level playing field must not be something that is modeled after another culture, it should be something modeled by a philosophy of fairness and opportunity to all.

You said:

"It is very common among young urban blacks. Blacks initially were poorer than Whites due to discrimination and slavery. However, the liberal welfare state was what really plagued Blacks to have this culture. Yet, Blacks still are more likely to go with the Democrats due to their constant race baiting and welfare they gove, which is just money that gives them a mentality to not work hard and just live off government benefits.

Due to this, thug culture became prevalent among young urban blacks. It is the reason why blacks are more likely to commit crime and seek less educational opportunities."

Again, know your politics. We live in a democratic-Socialist country anyway, and yes we need reform in certain systems that are allowing people to become stagnant in their situation. But there is no correlation between being in a welfare state, and displaying criminal behavior. Certain environments can create certain behaviors but there is no substantial correlation.

But again I ask you, how is thug culture black culture? And if thug culture is a part of black culture, then why is it not also a part of white culture since criminality is heavily among the white population as well?