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7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.
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7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.
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7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.
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Foodiesoul
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7/24/2016 8:22:05 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

That's a lie. Homosexuality isn't a sin and what is so wrong with being gay or transgender?

People can love who they want to love, even if the person is the opposite sex as them.
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7/24/2016 8:26:40 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 8:22:05 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

That's a lie. Homosexuality isn't a sin and what is so wrong with being gay or transgender?

People can love who they want to love, even if the person is the opposite sex as them.

Really, this is what I talk about. Freedom of speech is a lie. Do you actually care? Or is it society whispering in your ear and twisting your thoughts. People can love who they want to. Does that mean its ok? No. What about pedophiles, is that ok? Incest?
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Foodiesoul
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7/24/2016 8:28:35 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 8:26:40 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:22:05 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

That's a lie. Homosexuality isn't a sin and what is so wrong with being gay or transgender?

People can love who they want to love, even if the person is the opposite sex as them.

Really, this is what I talk about. Freedom of speech is a lie. Do you actually care? Or is it society whispering in your ear and twisting your thoughts. People can love who they want to. Does that mean its ok? No. What about pedophiles, is that ok? Incest?

Pedophilia is never okay. Incest is never okay. I don't support pedophilia, incest, or beastiality. None of those count as sexualities and they are all crimes and should be treated as such.
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7/24/2016 10:19:17 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 8:28:35 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:26:40 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:22:05 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

That's a lie. Homosexuality isn't a sin and what is so wrong with being gay or transgender?

People can love who they want to love, even if the person is the opposite sex as them.

Really, this is what I talk about. Freedom of speech is a lie. Do you actually care? Or is it society whispering in your ear and twisting your thoughts. People can love who they want to. Does that mean its ok? No. What about pedophiles, is that ok? Incest?

Pedophilia is never okay. Incest is never okay. I don't support pedophilia, incest, or beastiality. None of those count as sexualities and they are all crimes and should be treated as such.

Yes, but what is the difference between those and homosexuality?
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Foodiesoul
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7/24/2016 10:29:42 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 10:19:17 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:28:35 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:26:40 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:22:05 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

That's a lie. Homosexuality isn't a sin and what is so wrong with being gay or transgender?

People can love who they want to love, even if the person is the opposite sex as them.

Really, this is what I talk about. Freedom of speech is a lie. Do you actually care? Or is it society whispering in your ear and twisting your thoughts. People can love who they want to. Does that mean its ok? No. What about pedophiles, is that ok? Incest?

Pedophilia is never okay. Incest is never okay. I don't support pedophilia, incest, or beastiality. None of those count as sexualities and they are all crimes and should be treated as such.

Yes, but what is the difference between those and homosexuality?

Pedophilia and beastiality are always non-consensual for the most part because children and animals aren't really able to give out their consent. Incest is unlawful because it involves sexual relationships with family relatives. This can cause extreme, impure, and immoral damage to the family and the family relative as the family in general will likely be disgusted at that incestuous member of their family and call them a disgrace. Incest is a tradition in some places and it is legal in some places but thankfully, traditional incest is usually between cousins and not children/parents as that would be extremely awkward and just plain disgusting as you would be having sex with the woman who gave birth to you or the man who sticked his penis inside the woman who gave birth to you and helped give birth to you.

Homosexuality is sometimes non-consensual too but for the most part, homosexuality isn't really lust as lots of people think it is. It's true gay or lesbian love between consenting people. Bi-curiousness fits under homosexuality and also in the Q part of LGBTQ. Everyone gets a little bi-curious at some part in their lives. Bi-curiousness is just sexual thoughts or strong sexual emotions towards the same gender.

I guess they differ in terms of consent and the concept of love or lust.
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7/24/2016 11:39:34 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 10:29:42 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 10:19:17 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:28:35 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:26:40 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:22:05 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

That's a lie. Homosexuality isn't a sin and what is so wrong with being gay or transgender?

People can love who they want to love, even if the person is the opposite sex as them.

Really, this is what I talk about. Freedom of speech is a lie. Do you actually care? Or is it society whispering in your ear and twisting your thoughts. People can love who they want to. Does that mean its ok? No. What about pedophiles, is that ok? Incest?

Pedophilia is never okay. Incest is never okay. I don't support pedophilia, incest, or beastiality. None of those count as sexualities and they are all crimes and should be treated as such.

Yes, but what is the difference between those and homosexuality?

Pedophilia and beastiality are always non-consensual for the most part because children and animals aren't really able to give out their consent. Incest is unlawful because it involves sexual relationships with family relatives. This can cause extreme, impure, and immoral damage to the family and the family relative as the family in general will likely be disgusted at that incestuous member of their family and call them a disgrace. Incest is a tradition in some places and it is legal in some places but thankfully, traditional incest is usually between cousins and not children/parents as that would be extremely awkward and just plain disgusting as you would be having sex with the woman who gave birth to you or the man who sticked his penis inside the woman who gave birth to you and helped give birth to you.

Homosexuality is sometimes non-consensual too but for the most part, homosexuality isn't really lust as lots of people think it is. It's true gay or lesbian love between consenting people. Bi-curiousness fits under homosexuality and also in the Q part of LGBTQ. Everyone gets a little bi-curious at some part in their lives. Bi-curiousness is just sexual thoughts or strong sexual emotions towards the same gender.

I guess they differ in terms of consent and the concept of love or lust.

So now you think doing something knowing your doing something immoral and doing it anyways is better than doing something immoral that you don't want to do?
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Foodiesoul
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7/25/2016 12:04:04 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 11:39:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 10:29:42 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 10:19:17 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:28:35 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:26:40 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:22:05 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

That's a lie. Homosexuality isn't a sin and what is so wrong with being gay or transgender?

People can love who they want to love, even if the person is the opposite sex as them.

Really, this is what I talk about. Freedom of speech is a lie. Do you actually care? Or is it society whispering in your ear and twisting your thoughts. People can love who they want to. Does that mean its ok? No. What about pedophiles, is that ok? Incest?

Pedophilia is never okay. Incest is never okay. I don't support pedophilia, incest, or beastiality. None of those count as sexualities and they are all crimes and should be treated as such.

Yes, but what is the difference between those and homosexuality?

Pedophilia and beastiality are always non-consensual for the most part because children and animals aren't really able to give out their consent. Incest is unlawful because it involves sexual relationships with family relatives. This can cause extreme, impure, and immoral damage to the family and the family relative as the family in general will likely be disgusted at that incestuous member of their family and call them a disgrace. Incest is a tradition in some places and it is legal in some places but thankfully, traditional incest is usually between cousins and not children/parents as that would be extremely awkward and just plain disgusting as you would be having sex with the woman who gave birth to you or the man who sticked his penis inside the woman who gave birth to you and helped give birth to you.

Homosexuality is sometimes non-consensual too but for the most part, homosexuality isn't really lust as lots of people think it is. It's true gay or lesbian love between consenting people. Bi-curiousness fits under homosexuality and also in the Q part of LGBTQ. Everyone gets a little bi-curious at some part in their lives. Bi-curiousness is just sexual thoughts or strong sexual emotions towards the same gender.

I guess they differ in terms of consent and the concept of love or lust.

So now you think doing something knowing your doing something immoral and doing it anyways is better than doing something immoral that you don't want to do?

This is a very confusing question.
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7/25/2016 12:13:01 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 12:04:04 AM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:39:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 10:29:42 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 10:19:17 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:28:35 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:26:40 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:22:05 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

That's a lie. Homosexuality isn't a sin and what is so wrong with being gay or transgender?

People can love who they want to love, even if the person is the opposite sex as them.

Really, this is what I talk about. Freedom of speech is a lie. Do you actually care? Or is it society whispering in your ear and twisting your thoughts. People can love who they want to. Does that mean its ok? No. What about pedophiles, is that ok? Incest?

Pedophilia is never okay. Incest is never okay. I don't support pedophilia, incest, or beastiality. None of those count as sexualities and they are all crimes and should be treated as such.

Yes, but what is the difference between those and homosexuality?

Pedophilia and beastiality are always non-consensual for the most part because children and animals aren't really able to give out their consent. Incest is unlawful because it involves sexual relationships with family relatives. This can cause extreme, impure, and immoral damage to the family and the family relative as the family in general will likely be disgusted at that incestuous member of their family and call them a disgrace. Incest is a tradition in some places and it is legal in some places but thankfully, traditional incest is usually between cousins and not children/parents as that would be extremely awkward and just plain disgusting as you would be having sex with the woman who gave birth to you or the man who sticked his penis inside the woman who gave birth to you and helped give birth to you.

Homosexuality is sometimes non-consensual too but for the most part, homosexuality isn't really lust as lots of people think it is. It's true gay or lesbian love between consenting people. Bi-curiousness fits under homosexuality and also in the Q part of LGBTQ. Everyone gets a little bi-curious at some part in their lives. Bi-curiousness is just sexual thoughts or strong sexual emotions towards the same gender.

I guess they differ in terms of consent and the concept of love or lust.

So now you think doing something knowing your doing something immoral and doing it anyways is better than doing something immoral that you don't want to do?

This is a very confusing question.

Imagine it like this. Two people are about to do something wrong and both of them know its wrong yet they do it anyways.

Now one person is about to do something wrong to another person but they do it anyways and one is innocent of the wrong.

Which pair is more guilty. The ones who did something wrong knowing that it was wrong or the pair that did wrong but only one person knew it was wrong?
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7/25/2016 1:17:18 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 8:22:05 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

That's a lie. Homosexuality isn't a sin and what is so wrong with being gay or
transgender?

Sinning is a Biblical term, and in the Bible, it most definitely is a sin.


People can love who they want to love, even if the person is the opposite sex as them.

They can, but it doesn't mean society should accept it.
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7/25/2016 1:49:12 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 1:17:18 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:22:05 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

That's a lie. Homosexuality isn't a sin and what is so wrong with being gay or
transgender?

Sinning is a Biblical term, and in the Bible, it most definitely is a sin.


People can love who they want to love, even if the person is the opposite sex as them.

They can, but it doesn't mean society should accept it.

Society already accepts a lot of things like gays and transgenders. Society is messed up.
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7/25/2016 1:49:41 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 1:49:12 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/25/2016 1:17:18 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:22:05 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

That's a lie. Homosexuality isn't a sin and what is so wrong with being gay or
transgender?

Sinning is a Biblical term, and in the Bible, it most definitely is a sin.


People can love who they want to love, even if the person is the opposite sex as them.

They can, but it doesn't mean society should accept it.

Society already accepts a lot of things like gays and transgenders. Society is messed up.

agreed
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7/25/2016 2:08:31 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 1:49:41 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
agreed
You know, I don't think I ever understood the extent of why you view the whole transgender issue the way you do. Didn't even connect that the same probably extended to gays, too. I'm genuinely curious as to why, especially since your opinion is likely to be a lot more nuanced than HeavenlyPanda's.
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7/25/2016 2:08:53 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 2:08:31 AM, Torton wrote:
At 7/25/2016 1:49:41 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
agreed
You know, I don't think I ever understood the extent of why you view the whole transgender issue the way you do. Didn't even connect that the same probably extended to gays, too. I'm genuinely curious as to why, especially since your opinion is likely to be a lot more nuanced than HeavenlyPanda's.
At least, I hope that's the case.
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7/25/2016 2:12:41 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 2:08:31 AM, Torton wrote:
At 7/25/2016 1:49:41 AM, bballcrook21 wrote:
agreed
You know, I don't think I ever understood the extent of why you view the whole transgender issue the way you do. Didn't even connect that the same probably extended to gays, too. I'm genuinely curious as to why, especially since your opinion is likely to be a lot more nuanced than HeavenlyPanda's.

You think I'm too bold do you? Well someone needs to speak up about this topic.
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7/25/2016 4:07:00 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 12:13:01 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/25/2016 12:04:04 AM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:39:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 10:29:42 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 10:19:17 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:28:35 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:26:40 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:22:05 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

That's a lie. Homosexuality isn't a sin and what is so wrong with being gay or transgender?

People can love who they want to love, even if the person is the opposite sex as them.

Really, this is what I talk about. Freedom of speech is a lie. Do you actually care? Or is it society whispering in your ear and twisting your thoughts. People can love who they want to. Does that mean its ok? No. What about pedophiles, is that ok? Incest?

Pedophilia is never okay. Incest is never okay. I don't support pedophilia, incest, or beastiality. None of those count as sexualities and they are all crimes and should be treated as such.

Yes, but what is the difference between those and homosexuality?

Pedophilia and beastiality are always non-consensual for the most part because children and animals aren't really able to give out their consent. Incest is unlawful because it involves sexual relationships with family relatives. This can cause extreme, impure, and immoral damage to the family and the family relative as the family in general will likely be disgusted at that incestuous member of their family and call them a disgrace. Incest is a tradition in some places and it is legal in some places but thankfully, traditional incest is usually between cousins and not children/parents as that would be extremely awkward and just plain disgusting as you would be having sex with the woman who gave birth to you or the man who sticked his penis inside the woman who gave birth to you and helped give birth to you.

Homosexuality is sometimes non-consensual too but for the most part, homosexuality isn't really lust as lots of people think it is. It's true gay or lesbian love between consenting people. Bi-curiousness fits under homosexuality and also in the Q part of LGBTQ. Everyone gets a little bi-curious at some part in their lives. Bi-curiousness is just sexual thoughts or strong sexual emotions towards the same gender.

I guess they differ in terms of consent and the concept of love or lust.

So now you think doing something knowing your doing something immoral and doing it anyways is better than doing something immoral that you don't want to do?

This is a very confusing question.

Imagine it like this. Two people are about to do something wrong and both of them know its wrong yet they do it anyways.

Now one person is about to do something wrong to another person but they do it anyways and one is innocent of the wrong.

Which pair is more guilty. The ones who did something wrong knowing that it was wrong or the pair that did wrong but only one person knew it was wrong?

The ones who did something wrong knowing it was wrong are definitely more guilty because both of them knew that what they were doing was immoral and sinful yet they did it anyway whereas the latter pair is more innocent in a way because one person was technically innocent of the wrong.

This is a great question.
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7/25/2016 9:23:24 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

While they aren't what I would generally define as "normal", I don't think it's immoral. They aren't harming anyone, apart from possibly themselves, when it comes to gay men at least, as they are more likely to get STDs.
I'm not going to try to change your opinion about it though, because at the end of the day, we all have different opinions.
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7/25/2016 10:18:46 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 4:07:00 AM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/25/2016 12:13:01 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/25/2016 12:04:04 AM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:39:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 10:29:42 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 10:19:17 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:28:35 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:26:40 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 8:22:05 PM, Foodiesoul wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

That's a lie. Homosexuality isn't a sin and what is so wrong with being gay or transgender?

People can love who they want to love, even if the person is the opposite sex as them.

Really, this is what I talk about. Freedom of speech is a lie. Do you actually care? Or is it society whispering in your ear and twisting your thoughts. People can love who they want to. Does that mean its ok? No. What about pedophiles, is that ok? Incest?

Pedophilia is never okay. Incest is never okay. I don't support pedophilia, incest, or beastiality. None of those count as sexualities and they are all crimes and should be treated as such.

Yes, but what is the difference between those and homosexuality?

Pedophilia and beastiality are always non-consensual for the most part because children and animals aren't really able to give out their consent. Incest is unlawful because it involves sexual relationships with family relatives. This can cause extreme, impure, and immoral damage to the family and the family relative as the family in general will likely be disgusted at that incestuous member of their family and call them a disgrace. Incest is a tradition in some places and it is legal in some places but thankfully, traditional incest is usually between cousins and not children/parents as that would be extremely awkward and just plain disgusting as you would be having sex with the woman who gave birth to you or the man who sticked his penis inside the woman who gave birth to you and helped give birth to you.

Homosexuality is sometimes non-consensual too but for the most part, homosexuality isn't really lust as lots of people think it is. It's true gay or lesbian love between consenting people. Bi-curiousness fits under homosexuality and also in the Q part of LGBTQ. Everyone gets a little bi-curious at some part in their lives. Bi-curiousness is just sexual thoughts or strong sexual emotions towards the same gender.

I guess they differ in terms of consent and the concept of love or lust.

So now you think doing something knowing your doing something immoral and doing it anyways is better than doing something immoral that you don't want to do?

This is a very confusing question.

Imagine it like this. Two people are about to do something wrong and both of them know its wrong yet they do it anyways.

Now one person is about to do something wrong to another person but they do it anyways and one is innocent of the wrong.

Which pair is more guilty. The ones who did something wrong knowing that it was wrong or the pair that did wrong but only one person knew it was wrong?

The ones who did something wrong knowing it was wrong are definitely more guilty because both of them knew that what they were doing was immoral and sinful yet they did it anyway whereas the latter pair is more innocent in a way because one person was technically innocent of the wrong.

This is a great question.

Unfortunately society has twisted everyone's minds. Nobody usually thinks of it that way.
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7/25/2016 10:20:37 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 9:23:24 AM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

While they aren't what I would generally define as "normal", I don't think it's immoral. They aren't harming anyone, apart from possibly themselves, when it comes to gay men at least, as they are more likely to get STDs.
I'm not going to try to change your opinion about it though, because at the end of the day, we all have different opinions.

They are harming eachother and themselves. And what's worse is that they're doing it willingly.
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7/25/2016 10:43:43 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 10:20:37 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:23:24 AM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

While they aren't what I would generally define as "normal", I don't think it's immoral. They aren't harming anyone, apart from possibly themselves, when it comes to gay men at least, as they are more likely to get STDs.
I'm not going to try to change your opinion about it though, because at the end of the day, we all have different opinions.

They are harming eachother and themselves. And what's worse is that they're doing it willingly.

That's their problem, not yours though. Truthfully though, if they use condoms, they can attempt to prevent those STDs. Besides, STDs can also be transmitted through heterosexual sex. Gay men only have a high chance of getting STDs if they do stuff involving the buttocks region (trying to say this as formally as possible), which even some heterosexual couples do.
That isn't the only act they are able to commit though:
http://bilerico.lgbtqnation.com...
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"It is more honorable to be raised to a throne than to be born to one. Fortune bestows the one, merit obtains the other." - Francesco Petrarca

"You too must not count too much on your reality as you feel it today, since like yesterday, it may prove an illusion for you tomorrow." - Luigi Pirandello
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7/25/2016 1:34:23 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 10:43:43 AM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:20:37 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:23:24 AM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

While they aren't what I would generally define as "normal", I don't think it's immoral. They aren't harming anyone, apart from possibly themselves, when it comes to gay men at least, as they are more likely to get STDs.
I'm not going to try to change your opinion about it though, because at the end of the day, we all have different opinions.

They are harming eachother and themselves. And what's worse is that they're doing it willingly.

That's their problem, not yours though. Truthfully though, if they use condoms, they can attempt to prevent those STDs. Besides, STDs can also be transmitted through heterosexual sex. Gay men only have a high chance of getting STDs if they do stuff involving the buttocks region (trying to say this as formally as possible), which even some heterosexual couples do.
That isn't the only act they are able to commit though:
http://bilerico.lgbtqnation.com...

They're still immoral.
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7/25/2016 1:44:25 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 1:34:23 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:43:43 AM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:20:37 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:23:24 AM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

While they aren't what I would generally define as "normal", I don't think it's immoral. They aren't harming anyone, apart from possibly themselves, when it comes to gay men at least, as they are more likely to get STDs.
I'm not going to try to change your opinion about it though, because at the end of the day, we all have different opinions.

They are harming eachother and themselves. And what's worse is that they're doing it willingly.

That's their problem, not yours though. Truthfully though, if they use condoms, they can attempt to prevent those STDs. Besides, STDs can also be transmitted through heterosexual sex. Gay men only have a high chance of getting STDs if they do stuff involving the buttocks region (trying to say this as formally as possible), which even some heterosexual couples do.
That isn't the only act they are able to commit though:
http://bilerico.lgbtqnation.com...

They're still immoral.

Immoral according to which philosophy exactly?
Morality is subjective really as there is no common law that every single person agrees with. Apart from morality's subjectivity. What exactly makes homosexuality so immoral to you? Elaborate on what makes it immoral.
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7/25/2016 2:21:13 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 1:44:25 PM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 7/25/2016 1:34:23 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:43:43 AM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 7/25/2016 10:20:37 AM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/25/2016 9:23:24 AM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 7/24/2016 1:44:34 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/24/2016 11:48:43 AM, Willows wrote:
At 7/23/2016 10:28:06 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
Certain opinions nowadays can shock people and get them all in a fluster. And then they insult or reprimand you for having that opinion. There are two types of people that do this.
1. Those that want to sound morally good so that other people will notice.
2. Those that actually care.
It is hard to tell those that actually care from those that just want to sound morally good. But a good way to tell is by how much the person knows and how easily you can anger them. If they don't know a lot they get grumpy and start calling you names. That's a good indicator that, that person just wants to sound morally good. Those that care won't get easily frustrated because they know a lot about the topic.

Here is an opinion.

Kids who fail overall at school should get kicked out of school.

So, you are possibly wondering why nobody has reacted to the opinion.

The real question is who will react to this and will their reaction be genuine.

Gay/Transgender people are immoral.

While they aren't what I would generally define as "normal", I don't think it's immoral. They aren't harming anyone, apart from possibly themselves, when it comes to gay men at least, as they are more likely to get STDs.
I'm not going to try to change your opinion about it though, because at the end of the day, we all have different opinions.

They are harming eachother and themselves. And what's worse is that they're doing it willingly.

That's their problem, not yours though. Truthfully though, if they use condoms, they can attempt to prevent those STDs. Besides, STDs can also be transmitted through heterosexual sex. Gay men only have a high chance of getting STDs if they do stuff involving the buttocks region (trying to say this as formally as possible), which even some heterosexual couples do.
That isn't the only act they are able to commit though:
http://bilerico.lgbtqnation.com...

They're still immoral.

Immoral according to which philosophy exactly?
Morality is subjective really as there is no common law that every single person agrees with. Apart from morality's subjectivity. What exactly makes homosexuality so immoral to you? Elaborate on what makes it immoral.

So morality is subjective huh? Mariality is the distinction between right and wrong. Is that subjective? I think we can all agree that rape is wrong. Is that suppose to be subjective? Are our laws therefore subjective? Go to my Everything Wrong With Society forum and read the second long post that I posted.
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7/25/2016 3:08:58 PM
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So morality is subjective huh? Mariality is the distinction between right and wrong. Is that subjective? I think we can all agree that rape is wrong. Is that suppose to be subjective? Are our laws therefore subjective? Go to my Everything Wrong With Society forum and read the second long post that I posted.

The definition of what is right and wrong IS subjective. We don't ALL agree that rape is wrong. While I personally think it is wrong, there are people who probably don't believe so. In some Middle-eastern countries, rape isn't seen as some kind of big deal. I'm not saying that I agree with that of course, but I'm just saying that what's morally wrong to you, may not be morality wrong for others, thus, making morality subjective. Laws =/= morality. The legal system is nothing more than an enforcement of popular morality. Stuff like the death penalty is legal in the US, for example, and I personally find it immoral. You, of course, might not agree with me. Stuff like Euthanasia is illegal in most of the US, yet I personally, don't find it morally wrong. Of course, you might think that that's morally wrong, further proving the fact that morality, is indeed subjective. I'll reply on your other forum post about that.
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7/25/2016 3:48:52 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 3:08:58 PM, foxxhajti wrote:
So morality is subjective huh? Mariality is the distinction between right and wrong. Is that subjective? I think we can all agree that rape is wrong. Is that suppose to be subjective? Are our laws therefore subjective? Go to my Everything Wrong With Society forum and read the second long post that I posted.

The definition of what is right and wrong IS subjective. We don't ALL agree that rape is wrong. While I personally think it is wrong, there are people who probably don't believe so. In some Middle-eastern countries, rape isn't seen as some kind of big deal. I'm not saying that I agree with that of course, but I'm just saying that what's morally wrong to you, may not be morality wrong for others, thus, making morality subjective. Laws =/= morality. The legal system is nothing more than an enforcement of popular morality. Stuff like the death penalty is legal in the US, for example, and I personally find it immoral. You, of course, might not agree with me. Stuff like Euthanasia is illegal in most of the US, yet I personally, don't find it morally wrong. Of course, you might think that that's morally wrong, further proving the fact that morality, is indeed subjective. I'll reply on your other forum post about that.

84% of people believe. A third is Christianity. That means about a third of the world sees homosexuality as immoral and that's only counting religious people. There are probably other religions that see homosexuality as immoral too. Gays and transgenders are mental diseases. We think that being sad (depression) is abnormal and eating too little (anorexia) is abnormal yet we don't see a man thinking he's a woman is abnormal. See how messed up society has us?
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7/25/2016 4:47:04 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 3:48:52 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:08:58 PM, foxxhajti wrote:
So morality is subjective huh? Mariality is the distinction between right and wrong. Is that subjective? I think we can all agree that rape is wrong. Is that suppose to be subjective? Are our laws therefore subjective? Go to my Everything Wrong With Society forum and read the second long post that I posted.

The definition of what is right and wrong IS subjective. We don't ALL agree that rape is wrong. While I personally think it is wrong, there are people who probably don't believe so. In some Middle-eastern countries, rape isn't seen as some kind of big deal. I'm not saying that I agree with that of course, but I'm just saying that what's morally wrong to you, may not be morality wrong for others, thus, making morality subjective. Laws =/= morality. The legal system is nothing more than an enforcement of popular morality. Stuff like the death penalty is legal in the US, for example, and I personally find it immoral. You, of course, might not agree with me. Stuff like Euthanasia is illegal in most of the US, yet I personally, don't find it morally wrong. Of course, you might think that that's morally wrong, further proving the fact that morality, is indeed subjective. I'll reply on your other forum post about that.

84% of people believe. A third is Christianity. That means about a third of the world sees homosexuality as immoral and that's only counting religious people. There are probably other religions that see homosexuality as immoral too. Gays and transgenders are mental diseases. We think that being sad (depression) is abnormal and eating too little (anorexia) is abnormal yet we don't see a man thinking he's a woman is abnormal. See how messed up society has us?

My country is 97% Christian. Which makes us even more Christian than the US, percentage-wise. Most people here don't consider it immoral at all. I never said that homosexuality and transgenderism are normal, but they are natural. Homosexuality has nothing to do with mental diseases. As for transgenderism, it's a medical condition as I've previously stated. Would you tell a person who suffers from depression, for example, that it's immoral? Probably not.
Also, funny you compared rape to homosexuality, when the Bible kinda condones rape in a few of its verses:
"If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city." -- Deuteronomy 22:23-24
"But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. ... For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her." -- Deuteronomy 22:25-27
"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." -- Deuteronomy 22:28-29
"And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." -- Numbers 31:15-18

The Bible isn't what I'd define as "moral" really.
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7/25/2016 5:30:40 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 4:47:04 PM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:48:52 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:08:58 PM, foxxhajti wrote:
So morality is subjective huh? Mariality is the distinction between right and wrong. Is that subjective? I think we can all agree that rape is wrong. Is that suppose to be subjective? Are our laws therefore subjective? Go to my Everything Wrong With Society forum and read the second long post that I posted.

The definition of what is right and wrong IS subjective. We don't ALL agree that rape is wrong. While I personally think it is wrong, there are people who probably don't believe so. In some Middle-eastern countries, rape isn't seen as some kind of big deal. I'm not saying that I agree with that of course, but I'm just saying that what's morally wrong to you, may not be morality wrong for others, thus, making morality subjective. Laws =/= morality. The legal system is nothing more than an enforcement of popular morality. Stuff like the death penalty is legal in the US, for example, and I personally find it immoral. You, of course, might not agree with me. Stuff like Euthanasia is illegal in most of the US, yet I personally, don't find it morally wrong. Of course, you might think that that's morally wrong, further proving the fact that morality, is indeed subjective. I'll reply on your other forum post about that.

84% of people believe. A third is Christianity. That means about a third of the world sees homosexuality as immoral and that's only counting religious people. There are probably other religions that see homosexuality as immoral too. Gays and transgenders are mental diseases. We think that being sad (depression) is abnormal and eating too little (anorexia) is abnormal yet we don't see a man thinking he's a woman is abnormal. See how messed up society has us?

My country is 97% Christian. Which makes us even more Christian than the US, percentage-wise. Most people here don't consider it immoral at all. I never said that homosexuality and transgenderism are normal, but they are natural. Homosexuality has nothing to do with mental diseases. As for transgenderism, it's a medical condition as I've previously stated. Would you tell a person who suffers from depression, for example, that it's immoral? Probably not.
Also, funny you compared rape to homosexuality, when the Bible kinda condones rape in a few of its verses:
"If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city." -- Deuteronomy 22:23-24
"But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. ... For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her." -- Deuteronomy 22:25-27
"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." -- Deuteronomy 22:28-29
"And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." -- Numbers 31:15-18

The Bible isn't what I'd define as "moral" really.

The bible is meant to protect people. The first one is to kill adulterers because the woman was already betrothed to another man yet she lay with a different man willingly. The second one states that only the rapist will die because the victim cried out and no help came. The third one is to protect a woman. Back in those days women could not help themselves so they were married off so that they would have someone to take care of them. If the woman wasn't a virgin no man would marry her and she would have to beg on the streets for the rest of her life. That way, even though it may seem bad to you, the woman who was raped would be taken care of financially so that she wouldn't have to beg for the rest of her life or do something like prostitution. The last one is dividing spoils which is what any empire would have done. Back them there was nothing wrong with it. If you actually researched before spouting about things you don't understand you would have realized that these things were placed to protect people. Therefore the bible is actually very good at morales. Maybe the morales don't fit into today's society because today women can actually work but back then they couldn't.
The bible doesn't advocate for rape and not does it advocate for homosexuality. It's morales are there to protect you and if you actually researched you would see that.
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7/25/2016 6:22:18 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/25/2016 5:30:40 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/25/2016 4:47:04 PM, foxxhajti wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:48:52 PM, HeavenlyPanda wrote:
At 7/25/2016 3:08:58 PM, foxxhajti wrote:
So morality is subjective huh? Mariality is the distinction between right and wrong. Is that subjective? I think we can all agree that rape is wrong. Is that suppose to be subjective? Are our laws therefore subjective? Go to my Everything Wrong With Society forum and read the second long post that I posted.

The definition of what is right and wrong IS subjective. We don't ALL agree that rape is wrong. While I personally think it is wrong, there are people who probably don't believe so. In some Middle-eastern countries, rape isn't seen as some kind of big deal. I'm not saying that I agree with that of course, but I'm just saying that what's morally wrong to you, may not be morality wrong for others, thus, making morality subjective. Laws =/= morality. The legal system is nothing more than an enforcement of popular morality. Stuff like the death penalty is legal in the US, for example, and I personally find it immoral. You, of course, might not agree with me. Stuff like Euthanasia is illegal in most of the US, yet I personally, don't find it morally wrong. Of course, you might think that that's morally wrong, further proving the fact that morality, is indeed subjective. I'll reply on your other forum post about that.

84% of people believe. A third is Christianity. That means about a third of the world sees homosexuality as immoral and that's only counting religious people. There are probably other religions that see homosexuality as immoral too. Gays and transgenders are mental diseases. We think that being sad (depression) is abnormal and eating too little (anorexia) is abnormal yet we don't see a man thinking he's a woman is abnormal. See how messed up society has us?

My country is 97% Christian. Which makes us even more Christian than the US, percentage-wise. Most people here don't consider it immoral at all. I never said that homosexuality and transgenderism are normal, but they are natural. Homosexuality has nothing to do with mental diseases. As for transgenderism, it's a medical condition as I've previously stated. Would you tell a person who suffers from depression, for example, that it's immoral? Probably not.
Also, funny you compared rape to homosexuality, when the Bible kinda condones rape in a few of its verses:
"If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city." -- Deuteronomy 22:23-24
"But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. ... For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her." -- Deuteronomy 22:25-27
"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." -- Deuteronomy 22:28-29
"And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." -- Numbers 31:15-18

The Bible isn't what I'd define as "moral" really.

The bible is meant to protect people. The first one is to kill adulterers because the woman was already betrothed to another man yet she lay with a different man willingly. The second one states that only the rapist will die because the victim cried out and no help came. The third one is to protect a woman. Back in those days women could not help themselves so they were married off so that they would have someone to take care of them. If the woman wasn't a virgin no man would marry her and she would have to beg on the streets for the rest of her life. That way, even though it may seem bad to you, the woman who was raped would be taken care of financially so that she wouldn't have to beg for the rest of her life or do something like prostitution. The last one is dividing spoils which is what any empire would have done. Back them there was nothing wrong with it. If you actually researched before spouting about things you don't understand you would have realized that these things were placed to protect people. Therefore the bible is actually very good at morales. Maybe the morales don't fit into today's society because today women can actually work but back then they couldn't.
The bible doesn't advocate for rape and not does it advocate for homosexuality. It's morales are there to protect you and if you actually researched you would see that.

So you condone death to adulterers? I'm no adulterer apologetic but doesn't that seem like an extreme punishment?
" Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not"
It clearly tells you to stone both of them.
"But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves"
You didn't really tackle this point but ok.

"If you actually researched before spouting about things you don't understand you would have realized that these things were placed to protect people."
Ok so you want freedom of speech, and you call homosexuality a mental disorder without it actually being so, yet I'm the one who doesn't research before spouting about things that I don't understand, even though I had studied Catholicism for years...okay then.
The Bible doesn't condemn stuff like slavery. Since contraceptives are condemned by Christianity, 5.3 million people suffer from HIV in South Africa. The Bible tells Christians to kill homosexuals, nonbelievers, followers of other religions, fortunetellers, those who curse at their parents, those who fornicate, anyways, the list is endless. Is that what fits your definition of "moral"? Because quite frankly, it doesn't fit mine.
"It's interesting to observe that almost all truly worthy men have simple manners, and that simple manners are almost always taken as a sign of little worth" - Giacomo Leopardi

"It is more honorable to be raised to a throne than to be born to one. Fortune bestows the one, merit obtains the other." - Francesco Petrarca

"You too must not count too much on your reality as you feel it today, since like yesterday, it may prove an illusion for you tomorrow." - Luigi Pirandello