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Every adult in first world should be vegan.

Stupidape
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7/31/2016 6:09:11 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
For the animals, environmental, and health reasons. Animals are sentient beings capable of understanding pain and suffering we should be nice to them. Beef production consumes up to 16 ibs of grain per pound of beef. This is wasteful and immoral when world hunger is still a problem.

Finally, scientific evidence has shown again and again humans fare better on a plant based diet.

"It requires 16 lbs of grain and 2,500 gallons of water to generate 1 lb. of beef whilst 40,000 humans starve to death and another 6,000 die from dehydration or contaminated water sources(contaminated mostly by animal agriculture) every single day. Please wake up to the reality. " [0]

0. http://www.animalliberationfront.com...
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7/31/2016 1:29:11 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/31/2016 6:09:11 AM, Stupidape wrote:
For the animals, environmental, and health reasons. Animals are sentient beings capable of understanding pain and suffering we should be nice to them. Beef production consumes up to 16 ibs of grain per pound of beef. This is wasteful and immoral when world hunger is still a problem.

Finally, scientific evidence has shown again and again humans fare better on a plant based diet.

"It requires 16 lbs of grain and 2,500 gallons of water to generate 1 lb. of beef whilst 40,000 humans starve to death and another 6,000 die from dehydration or contaminated water sources(contaminated mostly by animal agriculture) every single day. Please wake up to the reality. " [0]


0. http://www.animalliberationfront.com...

We should also teach sharks, alligators, lions, various birds, and snakes not to eat meat for their health.
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7/31/2016 1:55:01 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/31/2016 6:09:11 AM, Stupidape wrote:
For the animals, environmental, and health reasons. Animals are sentient beings capable of understanding pain and suffering we should be nice to them. Beef production consumes up to 16 ibs of grain per pound of beef. This is wasteful and immoral when world hunger is still a problem.

Finally, scientific evidence has shown again and again humans fare better on a plant based diet.

"It requires 16 lbs of grain and 2,500 gallons of water to generate 1 lb. of beef whilst 40,000 humans starve to death and another 6,000 die from dehydration or contaminated water sources(contaminated mostly by animal agriculture) every single day. Please wake up to the reality. " [0]


0. http://www.animalliberationfront.com...

While one should try to avoid eating too much meat, curbing meat consumption completely isn't a good idea.
Humans function the best when they eat both plants and animals. Our digestive systems are well equipped to make full use of the fats, proteins and nutrients found in animal foods. The truth is that humans are omnivores.
Our animal victims are mostly on the lower part of the food chain. Would you tell a grizzly bear not to eat fish? Probably not. Unfortunately, in order for one organism to live, another has to die. It's part of nature's food chain.

"- Plant-based sources tend to be low in saturated fat, a component of the brain and a macronutrient vital for human health.
- Plants contain both soluble and insoluble fiber, but fiber is not actually digested. Too much of it can cause cramping, bloating, and other abdominal discomforts including constipation. Without sufficient amounts of water to help move the bulk through the system, intestinal blockage can lead to malabsorption and toxic accumulation.
- Many grains and wheat in particular contain insoluble fiber which can add to intestinal discomfort. Our Paleo Dietary Guidelines recommend not eating wheat or other industrialized grains.
- Humans have a much shorter digestive structure than herbivores and don"t have specialized organs to digest cellulose, the main fiber in plants."

Iron supplements aren't ideal in most cases either.
The ideal diet should be composed of every food group in a well-balanced manner.

[1] http://paleoleap.com...
[2] http://www.livestrong.com...
[3] http://chriskresser.com...
[4] https://authoritynutrition.com...
[5] http://www.techtimes.com...
[6] http://www.drdeborahmd.com...
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7/31/2016 3:52:34 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/31/2016 6:09:11 AM, Stupidape wrote:
For the animals, environmental, and health reasons. Animals are sentient beings capable of understanding pain and suffering we should be nice to them. Beef production consumes up to 16 ibs of grain per pound of beef. This is wasteful and immoral when world hunger is still a problem.

Finally, scientific evidence has shown again and again humans fare better on a plant based diet.

"It requires 16 lbs of grain and 2,500 gallons of water to generate 1 lb. of beef whilst 40,000 humans starve to death and another 6,000 die from dehydration or contaminated water sources(contaminated mostly by animal agriculture) every single day. Please wake up to the reality. " [0]


0. http://www.animalliberationfront.com...

Yes, our industrial system of protein production is environmentally damaging, resource intensive and animal cruel. This system of farming is due to economic demand.

Veganism is not recommended by physicians for children due to the complexities of proteins and vitamins that are needed for growth. Children who are raised vegan are often given mass produced supplements, many of which have additives and preservatives that can harm; unnecessary risks and expense for something that can be obtained naturally.

Protein consumption gave rise to the larger brain in humans through its evolution.

Prior to industrialized farming , animal raising was done on a small scale at the local level. The consumption of animal proteins was much smaller than today. Because raising meats was resource intensive, meat it was very expensive. Our great grandparents did not eat meat on a daily basis and when they did it was of lesser cuts; only the wealthy ate steaks. Environmental impacts were negligible due to small scale. Run offs of animal wastes into the water system were small and naturally mitigated. Animals were treated well, not to do so would result in illness and drive up costs and losses. Population growth and demand for cheap meat led to industrialized farms.

Veganism is not practical nor attainable globally. Those who live in the cold or arid regions rely solely on animal proteins for survival due to inhospitable climate for plant growth; Intuits, Eskimos, Lapps, people of China's step, indigenous people of the Siberian region, various middle eastern and African peoples living in dessert areas. Technological means for plant production are to expensive and resource intensive over grazing of natural grasses and flora.

People are starving primarily due to geo-political reasons.
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7/31/2016 4:43:34 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/31/2016 6:09:11 AM, Stupidape wrote:
For the animals, environmental, and health reasons. Animals are sentient beings capable of understanding pain and suffering we should be nice to them. Beef production consumes up to 16 ibs of grain per pound of beef. This is wasteful and immoral when world hunger is still a problem.

Finally, scientific evidence has shown again and again humans fare better on a plant based diet.

"It requires 16 lbs of grain and 2,500 gallons of water to generate 1 lb. of beef whilst 40,000 humans starve to death and another 6,000 die from dehydration or contaminated water sources(contaminated mostly by animal agriculture) every single day. Please wake up to the reality. " [0]


0. http://www.animalliberationfront.com...

Screw you. I like meat, it tastes good and I wanna be solid around 180 lbs, not some emaciated weakling who eats grass.
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7/31/2016 5:22:33 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/31/2016 6:09:11 AM, Stupidape wrote:
For the animals, environmental, and health reasons. Animals are sentient beings capable of understanding pain and suffering we should be nice to them. Beef production consumes up to 16 ibs of grain per pound of beef. This is wasteful and immoral when world hunger is still a problem.
Aren't plants capable of feeling pain too?

Finally, scientific evidence has shown again and again humans fare better on a plant based diet.

"It requires 16 lbs of grain and 2,500 gallons of water to generate 1 lb. of beef whilst 40,000 humans starve to death and another 6,000 die from dehydration or contaminated water sources(contaminated mostly by animal agriculture) every single day. Please wake up to the reality. " [0]


0. http://www.animalliberationfront.com...
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8/1/2016 12:37:41 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
Thanks for the responses.

"Aren't plants capable of feeling pain too?" Vaarka

There is plenty of evidence to show animals feel pain but not plants. [1]

"Screw you. I like meat, it tastes good and I wanna be solid around 180 lbs, not some emaciated weakling who eats grass." KendoRe2

There are plenty of vegan bodybuilders. [2]

1. http://www.livescience.com...
2. http://www.nytimes.com...
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8/1/2016 12:44:05 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
"Protein consumption gave rise to the larger brain in humans through its evolution." Peepette

Cooked tubers is what gave rise to larger brains. [3][4]

3. http://www.nytimes.com...
4. http://www.jstor.org...
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8/1/2016 3:12:24 AM
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"We should also teach sharks, alligators, lions, various birds, and snakes not to eat meat for their health." Fernyx

Many of the animals you listed are obligate carnivores. Not only that but we can't judge non-human animals by human standards.

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8/1/2016 3:21:02 AM
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"While one should try to avoid eating too much meat, curbing meat consumption completely isn't a good idea.
Humans function the best when they eat both plants and animals. Our digestive systems are well equipped to make full use of the fats, proteins and nutrients found in animal foods. The truth is that humans are omnivores.
Our animal victims are mostly on the lower part of the food chain. Would you tell a grizzly bear not to eat fish? Probably not. Unfortunately, in order for one organism to live, another has to die. It's part of nature's food chain.

"- Plant-based sources tend to be low in saturated fat, a component of the brain and a macronutrient vital for human health.
- Plants contain both soluble and insoluble fiber, but fiber is not actually digested. Too much of it can cause cramping, bloating, and other abdominal discomforts including constipation. Without sufficient amounts of water to help move the bulk through the system, intestinal blockage can lead to malabsorption and toxic accumulation.
- Many grains and wheat in particular contain insoluble fiber which can add to intestinal discomfort. Our Paleo Dietary Guidelines recommend not eating wheat or other industrialized grains.
- Humans have a much shorter digestive structure than herbivores and don"t have specialized organs to digest cellulose, the main fiber in plants."

Iron supplements aren't ideal in most cases either.
The ideal diet should be composed of every food group in a well-balanced manner." foxxhajti

Humans fare better on a plant based diet. Even a little bit of cholesterol is damaging to us. [5] Animal products are high in fat, many fish have over 50% calories from fat. A whooping 58% calories for from fat for farm raised salmon. [6] All this fat builds up as intramyocellular lipids which leads to insulin resistance. [7][8]

NK, natural killer white blood cells have double the toxicity in vegetarians. [9] Fiber has been shown to help with obesity. [10]

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5. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...
6. http://nutritiondata.self.com...
7. http://ajcn.nutrition.org...
8. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
9. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
10. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
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8/1/2016 3:28:04 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
"Veganism is not practical nor attainable globally. Those who live in the cold or arid regions rely solely on animal proteins for survival due to inhospitable climate for plant growth; Intuits, Eskimos, Lapps, people of China's step, indigenous people of the Siberian region, various middle eastern and African peoples living in dessert areas. Technological means for plant production are to expensive and resource intensive over grazing of natural grasses and flora." Peepette

Many people in Alaska import practically all food. Vegan foods could be imported just as easily as non-vegan foods. I don't exactly see Siberia as ideal for cattle ranching.
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8/1/2016 9:33:14 AM
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At 8/1/2016 3:21:02 AM, Stupidape wrote:
Humans fare better on a plant based diet. Even a little bit of cholesterol is damaging to us.

Cholesterol isn't entirely bad if taken in moderation. You can't live without at least a small amount of cholesterol. Cholesterol is found in the cell membrane and assists in maintaining the fluidity and flexibility of that membrane. Obviously, if taken in huge amounts, it can clog arteries, but that's the person's duty to take care of himself. Low cholesterol has also been associated with an increased risk of developing cancer. Fat soluble vitamins A, E and K are important antioxidant vitamins which bind free radicals which we know can play a role in cancer formation in the body. Without cholesterol there is decreased production and transport of these important antioxidant vitamins to help fight against cancer. We are always producing "abnormal" cells. We are fortunate that our bodies have in place multiple mechanisms in which to induce apoptosis (cell death) of these abnormal cells. We just need cholesterol and large amounts of antioxidant vitamins which come from ingesting colorful fruits and vegetables to assist in this process.

http://naturalnutmeg.com...

[5] Animal products are high in fat, many fish have over 50% calories from fat. A whooping 58% calories for from fat for farm raised salmon. [6] All this fat builds up as intramyocellular lipids which leads to insulin resistance. [7][8]

If taken once in a while, it's fine. That's the consumer's duty to choose what's best for his health. Not all animal products are high in fat and not all fish are "50% calories from fat". Pork Tenderloin, buffalo, roast beef, chicken, turkey, pheasant, lamb shank, etc. are all healthier types of meat, obviously moderation is key. Here in my country, we also eat lots of rabbits as it's part of our culture, and it also isn't quite unhealthy. Pole-Caught Albacore Tuna, Wild-Caught Salmon From Alaska, Farmed Oysters, Cod, Mahi Mahi, etc. are all healthy options for fish. It's one's job to eat in moderation.

http://www.livestrong.com...
http://www.rodalesorganiclife.com...
http://www.livestrong.com...


NK, natural killer white blood cells have double the toxicity in vegetarians. [9] Fiber has been shown to help with obesity. [10]

Non-vegans eat fiber too. Fiber isn't exclusive to vegans and vegetarians. Non-vegans don't just munch on meats everyday. I'm not a vegan, and I still eat lots of fiber. I eat a Mediterranean diet, which is seen as the healthiest diet, and it offers a balanced diet, also featuring lots of fiber.
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8/1/2016 9:37:04 AM
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At 8/1/2016 3:21:02 AM, Stupidape wrote:

Oh and by the way, use the option "write and reply" instead of "add post" so that we get a notification when you reply to any of us.
"It's interesting to observe that almost all truly worthy men have simple manners, and that simple manners are almost always taken as a sign of little worth" - Giacomo Leopardi

"It is more honorable to be raised to a throne than to be born to one. Fortune bestows the one, merit obtains the other." - Francesco Petrarca

"You too must not count too much on your reality as you feel it today, since like yesterday, it may prove an illusion for you tomorrow." - Luigi Pirandello