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8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.
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8/5/2016 7:22:34 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

I think you might need to define drugs, Sox. Are people who take aspirin or paracetamol weak? Or people who take digitalis for heart conditions? What about cancer sufferers who take morphine to numb the agony of their illness?

Are you including in "people who take drugs for fun" those who like a glass of wine or a cup of coffee?
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8/5/2016 7:24:02 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/5/2016 7:22:34 AM, desmac wrote:
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

I think you might need to define drugs, Sox. Are people who take aspirin or paracetamol weak? Or people who take digitalis for heart conditions? What about cancer sufferers who take morphine to numb the agony of their illness?

Are you including in "people who take drugs for fun" those who like a glass of wine or a cup of coffee?

That's just semantics, I think you know full well what I mean. Recreational drugs.
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8/5/2016 7:26:40 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/5/2016 7:24:02 AM, smelisox wrote:
At 8/5/2016 7:22:34 AM, desmac wrote:
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

I think you might need to define drugs, Sox. Are people who take aspirin or paracetamol weak? Or people who take digitalis for heart conditions? What about cancer sufferers who take morphine to numb the agony of their illness?

Are you including in "people who take drugs for fun" those who like a glass of wine or a cup of coffee?

That's just semantics, I think you know full well what I mean. Recreational drugs.

Like alcohol and caffeine?
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8/5/2016 7:27:04 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
Caffeine is a perfectly harmless drug, and used in many over-the-counter medicaments. Alcohol is not either of those, so yes, it's included in the weak people.
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8/5/2016 12:10:52 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/5/2016 7:27:04 AM, smelisox wrote:
Caffeine is a perfectly harmless drug, and used in many over-the-counter medicaments. Alcohol is not either of those, so yes, it's included in the weak people.

That's implying that alcohol is only drunken to sedate oneself from problems.
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8/5/2016 12:15:25 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/5/2016 7:27:04 AM, smelisox wrote:
Caffeine is a perfectly harmless drug, and used in many over-the-counter medicaments. Alcohol is not either of those, so yes, it's included in the weak people.

You are the one who defines which drugs are harmful / harmless? What are your qualifications in medicine and/or biochemistry?
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8/5/2016 2:14:42 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/5/2016 7:27:04 AM, smelisox wrote:
Caffeine is a perfectly harmless drug, and used in many over-the-counter medicaments. Alcohol is not either of those, so yes, it's included in the weak people.

Also what's your stance on normal cigarettes?
"It's interesting to observe that almost all truly worthy men have simple manners, and that simple manners are almost always taken as a sign of little worth" - Giacomo Leopardi

"It is more honorable to be raised to a throne than to be born to one. Fortune bestows the one, merit obtains the other." - Francesco Petrarca

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8/5/2016 2:20:29 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

The sky is blue, so what?

What you are saying is right but you are not exactly making a striking new revelation here.

I think we have gotten passed the stage of saying ," look at me, I'm strong and better than you". Instead of pointing the finger at drug abusers we now look at the social conditions and culture, for which we are all responsible for that push people along this path.
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8/5/2016 2:34:16 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

To answer the question: well it depends.

There are some other aspects to abusing drugs, it is not so black and white.

Consider The Natives who abuse of drugs recreationally to achieve the ultimate spiritual enlightenment possible.

Or someone who suffers pain associated with cancer who smokes a joint to ease pain.

Or someone who suffers traumatic injuries to their bodies and require morphine drip.

Or a mother having a hard labor, ask for drugs to help her get through it.

I don't accept that any of the circumstances I've presented are because of "weakness"

It's a personal choice that doesn't invalidate their "strength, especially from insignificant outsiders looking in on their lives.

As for the random party drug abusers, well it's still their choice. Whether they are weak or not still depends, some are able to party hard and maintain a good job and contribute greatly to society, some others become addicted and can't function at all.
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8/13/2016 7:14:26 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

I went through a phase where I experimented with all kinds of drugs. I chose to do it because I was curious and I enjoyed it. If someone wants to experience what skydiving or racing motorcycles is like (I have done both), are they weak? If not, how is it different?

I used to share the same opinion as you but as I got older, I changed my views. I had some great experiences that I will always treasure.
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8/13/2016 8:39:31 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
I agree that people having drugs are weak. But if to think more deeply many of us have our own "drugs". As for me, I have never tried neither drugs nor even cigarettes. I mean our weaknesses. For example, I feel like being a shopaholic,somebody can't stop eating cakes as they are like his drugs,etc. We can't judge anyone as all of us are not perfect.
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8/14/2016 7:37:19 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
That is precisely why we can and must judge each other. So since I am tired in the morning, a flaw unique to myself, I automatically must withold all opinions on Adolf Hitler?
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8/14/2016 8:27:11 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 7:37:19 AM, smelisox wrote:
That is precisely why we can and must judge each other. So since I am tired in the morning, a flaw unique to myself, I automatically must withold all opinions on Adolf Hitler?

That wonderous non-sequitur of a comment might indicate that you have been indulging in a few "weaknesses" yourself.
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8/14/2016 11:09:16 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 8:27:11 AM, desmac wrote:
At 8/14/2016 7:37:19 AM, smelisox wrote:
That is precisely why we can and must judge each other. So since I am tired in the morning, a flaw unique to myself, I automatically must withold all opinions on Adolf Hitler?

That wonderous non-sequitur of a comment might indicate that you have been indulging in a few "weaknesses" yourself.

Shut the f$3;ck up.
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8/14/2016 11:58:21 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 11:09:16 AM, smelisox wrote:
At 8/14/2016 8:27:11 AM, desmac wrote:
At 8/14/2016 7:37:19 AM, smelisox wrote:
That is precisely why we can and must judge each other. So since I am tired in the morning, a flaw unique to myself, I automatically must withold all opinions on Adolf Hitler?

That wonderous non-sequitur of a comment might indicate that you have been indulging in a few "weaknesses" yourself.

Shut the f$3;ck up.

Drugs do tend to make some users aggressive.
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8/14/2016 1:46:32 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 12:54:54 PM, smelisox wrote:
You'd know. Or did you ask your mum?

Yo .momma. Surely we should expect a higher level of response on a debate site. Sadly It would appear that this is the best that Smelli can manage.
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8/14/2016 10:33:25 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 1:46:32 PM, desmac wrote:
At 8/14/2016 12:54:54 PM, smelisox wrote:
You'd know. Or did you ask your mum?

Yo .momma. Surely we should expect a higher level of response on a debate site. Sadly It would appear that this is the best that Smelli can manage.

Smeli, please. Your illiteracy is painful.
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8/14/2016 10:56:11 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

I see your point (although it could have been addressed differently), but I think drug users especially recreational drug users' addiction is a little bit more complicated than simply going cold turkey. Just because you're not going through it, doesn't mean you should dehumanize others that are. I agree, it is frustrating and annoying and sometimes you want to tell people to just quit and get help, but it isn't that easy, I know, I work in the medical field dealing with addicts everyday.

However, I know addicts who acknowledge they're addicts and are still productive citizens in society. Some people simply cannot quit on their own terms. Sometimes it takes a collective effort and sometimes the collective, does not care.
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8/14/2016 11:17:35 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 10:56:11 PM, Hiu wrote:
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

I see your point (although it could have been addressed differently), but I think drug users especially recreational drug users' addiction is a little bit more complicated than simply going cold turkey. Just because you're not going through it, doesn't mean you should dehumanize others that are. I agree, it is frustrating and annoying and sometimes you want to tell people to just quit and get help, but it isn't that easy, I know, I work in the medical field dealing with addicts everyday.

However, I know addicts who acknowledge they're addicts and are still productive citizens in society. Some people simply cannot quit on their own terms. Sometimes it takes a collective effort and sometimes the collective, does not care.

I'm also annoyed people feel entitled to break the law for pleasure.

Piracy I can understand, theft too. But endangering others by taking drugs since you like it is pathetic behaviour.
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8/14/2016 11:41:11 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 11:17:35 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 8/14/2016 10:56:11 PM, Hiu wrote:
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

I see your point (although it could have been addressed differently), but I think drug users especially recreational drug users' addiction is a little bit more complicated than simply going cold turkey. Just because you're not going through it, doesn't mean you should dehumanize others that are. I agree, it is frustrating and annoying and sometimes you want to tell people to just quit and get help, but it isn't that easy, I know, I work in the medical field dealing with addicts everyday.

However, I know addicts who acknowledge they're addicts and are still productive citizens in society. Some people simply cannot quit on their own terms. Sometimes it takes a collective effort and sometimes the collective, does not care.

I'm also annoyed people feel entitled to break the law for pleasure.

Piracy I can understand, theft too. But endangering others by taking drugs since you like it is pathetic behaviour.

How do you understand piracy and not drugs? Piracy is selfishness
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8/15/2016 12:58:26 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 11:17:35 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 8/14/2016 10:56:11 PM, Hiu wrote:
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

I see your point (although it could have been addressed differently), but I think drug users especially recreational drug users' addiction is a little bit more complicated than simply going cold turkey. Just because you're not going through it, doesn't mean you should dehumanize others that are. I agree, it is frustrating and annoying and sometimes you want to tell people to just quit and get help, but it isn't that easy, I know, I work in the medical field dealing with addicts everyday.

However, I know addicts who acknowledge they're addicts and are still productive citizens in society. Some people simply cannot quit on their own terms. Sometimes it takes a collective effort and sometimes the collective, does not care.

I'm also annoyed people feel entitled to break the law for pleasure.

Piracy I can understand, theft too. But endangering others by taking drugs since you like it is pathetic behaviour.

BTW if I download new movies without paying that is done so for pleasure. I'm also stealing from actors and companies that pay actors and actresses. But if I snort this coke I'm only endangering myself, especially if holed up in a house alone.
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8/15/2016 5:11:35 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 11:17:35 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 8/14/2016 10:56:11 PM, Hiu wrote:
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

I see your point (although it could have been addressed differently), but I think drug users especially recreational drug users' addiction is a little bit more complicated than simply going cold turkey. Just because you're not going through it, doesn't mean you should dehumanize others that are. I agree, it is frustrating and annoying and sometimes you want to tell people to just quit and get help, but it isn't that easy, I know, I work in the medical field dealing with addicts everyday.

However, I know addicts who acknowledge they're addicts and are still productive citizens in society. Some people simply cannot quit on their own terms. Sometimes it takes a collective effort and sometimes the collective, does not care.

I'm also annoyed people feel entitled to break the law for pleasure.

Piracy I can understand, theft too. But endangering others by taking drugs since you like it is pathetic behaviour.

Ever broken a speed limit, Smeli?
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8/16/2016 2:31:13 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/5/2016 7:27:04 AM, smelisox wrote:
Caffeine is a perfectly harmless drug, and used in many over-the-counter medicaments. Alcohol is not either of those, so yes, it's included in the weak people.

How do you define the line between you deem is acceptable and when it makes someone weak?

Define exactly what you mean by "weak people". What characteristics do "weak people" have?

You said earlier that you accuse them of "just trying to sedate themselves". Can you name one bad thing that will happen if someone drinks one to two beers every night?

You cant say they aren't successful because every extremely successful person I know drinks recreationally. Obviously, you cant mean they are weak physically, mentally or emotionally because there is no known correlation if alcohol is done in moderation.

Do you have any sources you can provide that you have built your reasoning on or is this just something you invented?
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8/16/2016 2:37:55 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 11:17:35 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 8/14/2016 10:56:11 PM, Hiu wrote:
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

I see your point (although it could have been addressed differently), but I think drug users especially recreational drug users' addiction is a little bit more complicated than simply going cold turkey. Just because you're not going through it, doesn't mean you should dehumanize others that are. I agree, it is frustrating and annoying and sometimes you want to tell people to just quit and get help, but it isn't that easy, I know, I work in the medical field dealing with addicts everyday.

However, I know addicts who acknowledge they're addicts and are still productive citizens in society. Some people simply cannot quit on their own terms. Sometimes it takes a collective effort and sometimes the collective, does not care.

I'm also annoyed people feel entitled to break the law for pleasure.

Does that apply to all laws or just the ones you personally like? If a woman in Saudi Arabia took her burqa off because she was too hot, would you be annoyed?

Piracy I can understand, theft too. But endangering others by taking drugs since you like it is pathetic behaviour.

I live in a place that just legalized marijuana. Can you name one negative consequence that will happen if someone smokes marijuana and obeys all laws? Please provide sources ;)
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8/17/2016 8:01:20 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

So right off the bat you're saying that all drug users (and based off other responses from you in this thread we know you include alcohol as well) are weak cowards, or they're fools who need rehab.

I drink alcohol regularly. Mostly craft beer with some occasional whiskeys. I've never been to rehab, and I seriously doubt I will ever need it in the future. I have no problem controlling when I drink, or how much I drink. I'm a student and an employee and my alcohol consumption has never negatively impacted my performance in school or at work. It's never been a problem with my relationships, whether it was a significant other, friends, or family.

Surely, you must realize that your post isn't concerned with the reality of the subjects you're raising, it's just your ego talking. You think you're better than other people who use drugs. Where is this coming from?

Personally, I think you need to lighten up and have a drink. Relax. Or smoke a bowl, whatever works for you.
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8/17/2016 10:35:30 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/14/2016 11:17:35 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 8/14/2016 10:56:11 PM, Hiu wrote:
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

I see your point (although it could have been addressed differently), but I think drug users especially recreational drug users' addiction is a little bit more complicated than simply going cold turkey. Just because you're not going through it, doesn't mean you should dehumanize others that are. I agree, it is frustrating and annoying and sometimes you want to tell people to just quit and get help, but it isn't that easy, I know, I work in the medical field dealing with addicts everyday.

However, I know addicts who acknowledge they're addicts and are still productive citizens in society. Some people simply cannot quit on their own terms. Sometimes it takes a collective effort and sometimes the collective, does not care.

I'm also annoyed people feel entitled to break the law for pleasure.

Piracy I can understand, theft too. But endangering others by taking drugs since you like it is pathetic behaviour.

I'm guessing "Piracy" and "theft" are the two laws you have broken then?
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8/17/2016 10:36:17 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/17/2016 8:01:20 PM, Cryo wrote:
At 8/5/2016 6:57:58 AM, smelisox wrote:
They chose the easier option, to sedate themselves from their problems. To not face their problems. That's cowardice, and being weak.

For people who take drugs for fun, they're just fools. Off to rehab with them, if they become contributing members of society, good, if not, no great loss.

So right off the bat you're saying that all drug users (and based off other responses from you in this thread we know you include alcohol as well) are weak cowards, or they're fools who need rehab.

I drink alcohol regularly. Mostly craft beer with some occasional whiskeys. I've never been to rehab, and I seriously doubt I will ever need it in the future. I have no problem controlling when I drink, or how much I drink. I'm a student and an employee and my alcohol consumption has never negatively impacted my performance in school or at work. It's never been a problem with my relationships, whether it was a significant other, friends, or family.

Surely, you must realize that your post isn't concerned with the reality of the subjects you're raising, it's just your ego talking. You think you're better than other people who use drugs. Where is this coming from?

Personally, I think you need to lighten up and have a drink. Relax. Or smoke a bowl, whatever works for you.

How dare you use reasoning and logic.
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